Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Sakura Hana]

Oh wait you just did nevermind.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Look at the sheer confidence with which he led the swing onto gaiden day one. Then look at it again assuming he was informed in advance. Then compare that to his sudden drive in those other games. Day two of touhou. Day... 2 or 3 of marketplace. The day he replaced into death's diner.

[zMuffinMan]

Yeah I wake up at 5PM after sleeping off being up vomiting till 6am, see a metric fuckton of votes on me, I kinda proceed under the assumption that I'm already dead and racing for the lock.

ok. it was five votes with a votecount at the top of the page, but sure, whatever.

you're around now and still not trying to figure things out.

His scum MO is hard busing, and hard busing early.

~Him and nacho to DP in marketplace
~Him to like half of his team when replacing into death's diner
~Him to Bro in bork's touhou mini
~Him right here in this game to gaiden

~ i didn't even want to bus DP in marketplace - read the scum QT or just ask nacho
~ i did that in death's diner because i replaced into a slot that was being run up and i did it for the express purposes of creating wifom from my reads list after i was dead <- i put literally all my buddies in my scum list only because i might have been flipped that day
~ BRO in touhou was specifically because of the negative utility attached to his role
~ no

[GoodCop_BadCop]

you're around now and still not trying to figure things out.

News to me.

[Sakura Hana]

Why did you go against Varsoon D1 when only him and Gaiden were possible lynches. What from Varsoon pinged your radar? You also went towards him with a lot of confidence, and i would understand that if you were scum with how much you love daychat. From what i recall most of your posts by the end of D1 were like "OMG VARSOON'S SCUM LYNCH HIM ALREADY, IF YOU DONT YOU'RE SCUM" or things like that.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Do you have scum games that refute the statement?

[Sakura Hana]

In addition i'd like to hear your opinion on all the other claims as well, and what do you make of it, considering you're pretty good at setup spec.

[Sakura Hana]

Also im gonna Unvote for now while im trying to figure you out now since you're her instead of basing my read off things i read during D1.

Unvote

[Sakura Hana]

*since you're here

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Why did you go against Varsoon D1 when only him and Gaiden were possible lynches. What from Varsoon pinged your radar? You also went towards him with a lot of confidence, and i would understand that if you were scum with how much you love daychat. From what i recall most of your posts by the end of D1 were like "OMG VARSOON'S SCUM LYNCH HIM ALREADY, IF YOU DONT YOU'RE SCUM" or things like that.

With a mason claim on the board and them NOT saying who their partner was, I had no intention of lynching anyone in their town reads lest that be the partner. Hence my post... saying that. As for varsoon he and I never get along, I guess? Like I always read him as scum, but usually lack the motivation to call him on it. And he was showing patterns very similar to what he did in Xenogears, where I beat him in 3p LYLO. (Also I'm still not convinced day one wasn't two scum wagons with varsoon having a better night action; but that's more a 10%ish theory than anything concrete.)

[zMuffinMan]

the fact that you're trying to associate a scum lynch with my supposed "bussing" meta is rofl

i didn't even think gaiden was all that scummy, i voted him purely as an alternative to the varsoon wagon

Do you have scum games that refute the statement?

you could look at open 519 as an example

i don't bus unless there's something to be gained from it (like in imperishable night or in death's diner). i play it strategically, not stupidly.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

since near pagetop:

Claims

Muffin- Aya: 2-shot tracker (dram did nothing n1, kat nothing n2)
Kise- Nitori: Inventor (gave track to pie n1, unknown n2)
Kat- Yuyuko: Oracle (We are not in multiball, possible SK)
AD- Remilia: 2-shot kill cop (CoK killed n1, Nacho has not killed)
Varsoon- Tewi: 1-shot redirector (redirected actions on Jaqen n1 to GCBC)
GCBC- Tensh: Bulletproof
Kagami- China: Gatekeeper (RBed and RSed Jaqen n1, Pie n2)
Jaqen- Patchy: IC
Pie- Koishi: Mason Encryptor
bubba- Okuu: 1-shot bomb (use unknown)
Saki- Eirin: VT
Sakura- Yuuka: VT
MC- Marisa: Thief (jacked shiki's stick n1, nothing from dram n2)
Dramonic- Byakuren: VT
Mac- Sanae: ???
Nacho- Merlin Prismriver: 2-shot Motivator, compulsive Visitor (Lush n1, AD n2)

-Dead Town-
Kaze- Youmu: VT
Serene- Satori: 2-shot rolecop
Lush- Shikieiki: Odd-night Cop

-Lynched Scum-
CoK- Sakuya: Ninja
Gaiden- Reimu: 1-shot Strongman + encryptor

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[GoodCop_BadCop]

...Errr thanks, post tags and site for posting that before I made edits.

[Sakura Hana]

Tho i guess you can edit mac's into "Doctor" now.

[zMuffinMan]

you could look at open 519 as an example

ftr, i only have 4 recent scum games (as in the last 2 years) and you named 3 of them

and of the 3 you named, i didn't even want to bus in one, one was because i assumed i was going to be lynched and was purposefully distancing and one was purely for the negative utility associated with my partner's role (again, anyone can read the scum QT and see this)

[GoodCop_BadCop]

These aren't in strength order within the list..

Townreads:

Kat- Yuyuko: Oracle
AD- Remilia: 2-shot kill cop (CoK killed n1, Nacho has not killed)
GCBC- Tensh: Bulletproof
Kagami- China: Macho Gatekeeper (RBed and RSed Jaqen n1, Pie n2)
Jaqen- Patchy: IC
Pie- Koishi: Mason Encryptor
MC- Marisa: Thief (jacked shiki's stick n1, nothing from dram n2)

Likely town, but not as strong of a read:

Kise- Nitori: Inventor (gave track to pie n1, unknown n2)
Varsoon- Tewi: 1-shot redirector (redirected actions on Jaqen n1 to GCBC)
Mac- Sanae: Doctor

Nulls:

bubba- Okuu: 1-shot bomb (use unknown)
Sakura- Yuuka: VT
Dramonic- Byakuren: VT

Scumreads:

Nacho- Merlin Prismriver: 2-shot Motivator, compulsive Visitor (Lush n1, AD n2)
Muffin- Aya: 2-shot tracker (dram did nothing n1, kat nothing n2)
Saki- Eirin: VT

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You all wanted me to wake the fuck up, well here I am. Sleeping Giants, and all that jazz.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura- Yuuka: VT

You really have that much trouble figuring me out? =/
Guess when I'm not AtEing you can hardly figure anything out from me, thought you'd be better than that tbh.

But ok, let's say I bite and lynch muffin and/or nacho and whomever flips town, where should I go from there in your opinion?

[Sakura Hana]

Btw Cabd i dont have work tomorrow so i'll be here all night, all just for the purpose of figuring you and this game out, so let's continue talking.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

But ok, let's say I bite and lynch muffin and/or nacho and whomever flips town, where should I go from there in your opinion?

You mean we lynch muffin and he flips town today? Then I'm probably self lynching tomorrow to remove that from being an issue near LYLO. And my first post in the dead QT will be chewing bork and mollie for posting that kind of opening day two post as a cop.

[Sakura Hana]

You mean we lynch muffin and he flips town today? Then I'm probably self lynching tomorrow to remove that from being an issue near LYLO. And my first post in the dead QT will be chewing bork and mollie for posting that kind of opening day two post as a cop.

So we get to the heart of the issue being... you still think he's scum because you think they crumbed that guilty.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You mean we lynch muffin and he flips town today? Then I'm probably self lynching tomorrow to remove that from being an issue near LYLO. And my first post in the dead QT will be chewing bork and mollie for posting that kind of opening day two post as a cop.

So we get to the heart of the issue being... you still think he's scum because you think they crumbed that guilty.

I do. Nothing will shake me on that. But like I said, he's also scum for other reasons. If he's by some miracle town, then one of the other "main" leaders of the gaiden quickwagon day one is scum. At least one player on that early shot KNEW the result in advance.

[Sakura Hana]

Ignoring the guilty crumb, you think they are guilty for reasons of your own being "busing" and his "certainty" on Gaiden D1. I've seen Nacho always show certainty when mentioning scumreads, i dont see how this is any different?

[Sakura Hana]

then one of the other "main" leaders of the gaiden quickwagon day one is scum. At least one player on that early shot KNEW the result in advance.

Why does it have to be this way? I consider myself pretty good at reading Gaiden even when he fluffs and lurks, and if I can do it I don't why someone else wouldn't pick on what I've picked.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

then one of the other "main" leaders of the gaiden quickwagon day one is scum. At least one player on that early shot KNEW the result in advance.

Why does it have to be this way? I consider myself pretty good at reading Gaiden even when he fluffs and lurks, and if I can do it I don't why someone else wouldn't pick on what I've picked.

The speed and traction smelt informed. I remember hawkie doing a big post about it back on day two.