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Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:43 am

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Votecount 1.10


[4] Cephrir (Angry Frat Bros, ActionDan, mastin2, Kagami)
[3] Aegor (macmollie, Skullduggery, Flandre Scarlet)
[3] mastin2 (Cephrir, pieguyn, Cabd)
[2] Metal Sonic (Venmar, zMuffinMan)
[2] zMuffinMan (Metal Sonic, MafiaSSK)
[1] Brian Skies (Brian Skies)
[1] Flandre Scarlet (sangres)
[1] Kagami (Kazekirimaru)
[1] Kazekirimaru (Aegor)
[1] Sangres (Varsoon)
[1] Skullduggery (orcinus_theoriginal)

With 20 alive, it is 11 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

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Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:50 am

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Aegor and Flandre Scarlet were prodded.
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Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:01 am

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Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:41 am

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Beetlejuice?
I'll give you a moment to let that sink in
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Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:12 am

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In post 1091, zMuffinMan wrote:
ceph wrote:Demeanor reminds me of FEA
how so? i was actually reading stuff in FEA. here i haven't read shit in the last 30 pages except for briefly skimming
ceph wrote:I'd find him odd in a void
odd means what? scummy? what's a void got to do with anything?

why do the rest of your reads suck so much?
I said demeanor, not content.

If my reads suck so much, which I don't especially think they do, then it's because I'm shit at this game.
In post 1092, zMuffinMan wrote:
ceph wrote:I didn't believe anyone could read that ATE post and not declare pieguy town.
do you want me to break down exactly why it wasn't town ate? and why his bg claim makes no sense if he's town? because i can. it would be a complete waste of time for today, but i might do it in a spoiler wall at some point if i can be bothered so you can look back at it when he's still alive D4
If you actually want to convince me, you will need to do this. Then again, I probably won't be alive on D4, so, I guess you do you.
In post 1105, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Mollie has posted emotional reactions to things in the thread that make me feel like she is seeing events from a town motivated lens.

You are just posting whatever you want and ascribing your townieness to lolmetathisishowipost.

Mollie's posting in general looks like she is unafraid to take stances that she will need to defend later.

She is playing her own game instead (I like where her attention is) and her confidence feels about right for what she is doing.

You, on the other hand, are forcing your way into conversations awkwardly, not really doing anything extremely useful, and posting random stuff that Im having a hard time buying you are actually interested in. You are playing the players, mollie is playing the game.
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In post 1116, Angry Frat BROs wrote:MafiaSSK is actually just scum though.
Since when?

Kagami, are you going to give a reason for voting me? Are you reading my posts, or just voting me because I look like the lynch today?
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Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:47 am

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Sorry. I have been loosely following this game but am now caught up.

muffin's IC claim was stupid but null.
In post 862, Cephrir wrote:
In post 850, Flandre Scarlet wrote:mastin2- Not scum, nor am I surprised you have a hunch(ish) about who I am. That being said, there are other plays I'm shocked have not let on an idea of my main.

sangres- Brilliant vote, I must say. In the spirit of naked votes, I raise you one:

VOTE: Aegor

ActionDan- Is this the part where we sing a duet of A whole new world or Hakuna Matata?

Brian Skies- Using intentional ragequits is a bannable offense I believe.
Presumably your Aegor vote has something to do with his weird Kaze vote, and yet here you are making a weird vote?
@FS
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In post 964, Venmar wrote:@Cabd - What? He's scum for having terrible views in your point of view? That's like one of the worst/fakest reasons I have ever heard for a scumread.
That is such a strawman. Regardless of whether the reads are good or not, do you find someone who consistently refuses to explain or justify anything anti-town at best?

In post 1054, Cephrir wrote: Town:
Kaze- Has weird tone/wording sometimes, but what he is actually saying seems pretty town
if I don't think too hard about the ways he says it
.
Uh....
???:
Aegor- I'm pretty sure I have touched on when I felt he was weird and possibly WKing me/trying to create a TvT in places. Hate the left field Kaze vote. On the other hand, did some things I thought were town early on.
I do not know how to make this clearer: the vote was not out of left field. I re-read the entire game all at once and Kaze, when considered all at once over the course of the game rather than incrementally (as new posts are written in real time) really rubbed me the wrong way. Is forming new opinions after a re-read not a thing for you?

Scummy:
Mollie- I have never seen you be scum but this doesn't seem in character. Feel like I should not be the only one worried about this, but apparently I am. Weird free pass from mastin who is probably scum.
AFB- I am trying to get around my inherent bias because of them tunneling me but it's not working. Everyone else seems to think they are obvtown but I don't get it. Honestly sounds a lot like Scumrir, and I'm sort of done with the 'Scumrir-esque players are town' mindset I used to have because it keeps being wrong.
Flandre- Just all around sucks every single post. Has not done anything town whatsoever.
Agreed with both of these.
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Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:59 am

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But...I'm town, though! D:
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Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:41 am

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Apologies for the delay. Certain parties are aware of why. (Let's just say that yesterday, I was planning on prod-dodging and focusing on something, but that circumstances made that no longer necessary yet made me emotionally compromised enough where I ironically prod-dodged
anyway
. Deep breaths of fresh air later, and I think I should be okay.)
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In post 916, Cephrir wrote:If you misread someone on meta, you meta'd them incorrectly.
(SO damn true. >_<)
In post 775, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Mastin is ridiculously town and not to be lynched ever this game, dear god.
While true, what the hell in that post made you declare that? There was literally nothing in 773 that I wouldn't also post as scum.
In post 788, Metal Sonic wrote:Dammit now this town is split into a pro-pieguy lynch camp and pro-mastin lynch camp

Help pls we need to sort this out(this is to everyone by the way)
If Metal Sonic is scum (he is), then pie's town.
In post 792, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Pieguy is the one who claimed Bodyguard? Then no. We should be lynching Cephrir, Flandre, Kaze.
I'll need the Kaze read explained.
In post 793, Metal Sonic wrote:Also why Flandre? For lurking?
Might be relevant.
In post 794, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Everything Flandre does reads overly cautious.
Playing devil's advocate, that can be attributed to them being an alt and wanting to protect their identity. But as you can tell by me saying this is advocating for the devil, I happen to be in agreement anyway. :P Basically, their entire posting comes across as being insincere. Artificial as well (though that could be alt-protection), cautious certainly, but the main issue I have with it is that even through the filter of an alt, I'd expect basically any player to come across as being sincere; I saw none.
In post 805, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Oh right, zMuffin is still hillariously scum. Anyone want to quicklynch that?
I know zMuff. This isn't his scum-play. I realize that often-times, my scumdar could use calibration. I realize that as of late, I haven't generally been able to lock onto these known reads instantaneously. So in theory it would be possible for me to be fallible when it comes to my zMuf read. But I'm not. He is town. I can tell.
In post 807, Angry Frat BROs wrote:K so MS is still probably just a dummy.
While I don't exactly see Metal Sonic as the, ah, brightest bulb in a batch, I also don't see him as the dimmest, either, AP. (May or may not be AP, but doesn't matter; I said it before--the hydra's effectively just AP even when BRO's posting because BRO BECOMES the guy he's hydraing with. :P) To translate--no, not a dummy. If you think he's a dummy, that means he's scum.

Also, Varsoon is hilariously town.
In post 819, Aegor wrote:The attitude present in his earlier posts (before he started making unfounded assertions about alignment) in particular gave me good vibes.
Helpful hint: fuck the later game; pay attention to the earlier game from me. As scum I get stronger; as town I get weaker. It's happened in literally every damn game I've been in ever. :P (Even though I say otherwise, not even Anything Goes was entirely immune--I dropped mid-game to bounce back endgame.)
None of mastin's posts have been helpful in any way, nor is there any clear scumhunting intent behind them.
Then you suck at reading, since the intent's basically painted out clear as day.
That MafiaSSK has managed to lurk this much is distressing. I am awaiting a kick-ass post after the prod.
You will be disappointed, unless your idea of a kick-ass post is something that is obviously town, but only subtly so. SSK is not a high-key player of many words. Reading him requires the finer details.

(By the way, still think Aegor is town.)
In post 851, Skullduggery wrote:If I'm correctly reading some of the hints that people have dropped, it sounds like there might be at least three separate Neighborhoods in this game.
If there are three neighborhoods in this Large game, I'm suing bork for copyright infringement.

:P

(No, but seriously. I'm treating the neighborhoods as a non-entity in this game. One neighborhood with three in it? Likely has one scum, no more nor less. Multiple neighborhoods in the same game? Are likely randomly or at least semi-randomly generated. Thus, are not alignment-indicative. Thus, we should base reads on the players not on setup spec, but on the players themselves. Which still points to Metal Sonic being scum anyway. :P)
In post 874, Kagami wrote:My impression is that mastin is a hopeless egotist who is town.
Egotist, yes, but not hopelessly so. :P

(I'll read AP's Kaze case in more detail later.)
In post 890, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Town players: Brian, MacMollie, Kagami, Aegor, Venmar
Still town, just a little less so: mastin2, sangres, orcinus, Skull, ActionDan
Holy hell, your reads are nearly identical to mine. Which is either a really good sign or a really bad one. :P (Good.)

But to help on the 'meh'--AP, I know SSK, and probably know him better than I know zMuf. He's town this game. Admittedly, this is something which requires familiarity with his game, but to put it simply, yes, there is a fundamental difference between his scum mindset and his town mindset that is apparent in his posting quite easily. You just need to be paying attention, and then he transforms into a player who is transparent-as-fuck.

Varsoon is probably town; this feels like a town him. Metal Sonic is probably scum, for the same reason.

(Cabd is also a 'meh' to me, so no help there, unfortunately.)
In post 891, sangres wrote:Why do you have Aegor so town?
Because Aegor's posting looks town-as-hell?
In post 919, Angry Frat BROs wrote:FWIW, I have MafiaSSK on the scummy side of null after reading his ISO
Fuck that.

AP, I'm delivering an ultimatum: Scumread me, or don't scumread SSK and/or zMuff. Failure to comply will result in a scumread on you from me.

If you don't trust me to be town, that's fine. If you don't trust me on my strongest of strong townreads, that isn't.

(Also, Venmar is probably town.)

/37. I'll do the remaining pages next post, probably.
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Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:46 am

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In post 1132, mastin2 wrote:Helpful hint: fuck the later game; pay attention to the earlier game from me. As scum I get stronger; as town I get weaker.
(Actually, it'd be more accurate to say that it's a sine function, and either a negative sine or a cosine function for the other. Which is which depends from month to month and year to year. In previous years, my towngame got stronger and scumgame got weaker. That's since changed. And is likely to change back within a year or two. Cyclic process and all that.)
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Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:06 pm

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In post 929, sangres wrote:Ceph are you really making an effort to sort me? I can't tell. Your questions seem kind of shallow and perfunctory, and also kind of answered already in some cases.
(Hint: That's because he's scum. :P)
In post 963, Angry Frat BROs wrote:I thought he felt pretty unafraid to say what he wanted to say which is townie.
Pretty damn bad reason to be townreading me, since I learned long ago that a "fuck that" approach as scum would get me towntold for ages.

(Also, happy scumday, Cabd.)
In post 974, Cephrir wrote:If that's real you're kind of stupid
This is a scum reaction.
In post 975, Kazekirimaru wrote:Eh. To think we would have had a wagon to analyze eventually. Ah, well. ._.
*Might* be scum, but easily could be town.
In post 980, sangres wrote:WHAT THE LITERAL FUCK IS THIS PAGE 14 WAGON ON MASTIN
Oh, you mean this little thing?
[7] mastin2 (Angry Frat Bros, Cephrir, pieguyn, Cabd, Kazekirimaru, Metal Sonic, orcinus_theoriginal)
My welcoming wagon, of course! A fair number of scum wanted to pay their respect to me! :D
In post 1010, Metal Sonic wrote:Because lying to be an ic? Why would he lie? I dunno, reaction test I guess
To me that's a scum move
A reaction test you failed, by the way. ;)
In post 1020, zMuffinMan wrote:don't slander me
But can we Slandaar you? :P
In post 1027, MafiaSSK wrote:No the IC claim is just fake. That's just bad.

VOTE: Muffin
You're town, but don't get caught up in this instinctive reaction like that.
In post 1049, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Everyone list your top 4 and we wagon the highest count person?
I've got Cephrir and Metal Sonic (in that order) as top-two. Honestly, am still working on hashing out the rest. Flandre's a tentative third. Fourth, fuck if I know. I'm still figuring that out.

/caught up, but I largely skimmed. Let me know if I missed something.
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Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:22 pm

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Yeah, you missed the fact that Metal Sonic is scum and you aren't voting him. Geeze. Also, I fell like town-mastin would want to interact with me more, why aren't you? I'm hurt emotionally.
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In post 964, Venmar wrote:@Cabd - What? He's scum for having terrible views in your point of view? That's like one of the worst/fakest reasons I have ever heard for a scumread.
That is such a strawman. Regardless of whether the reads are good or not, do you find someone who consistently refuses to explain or justify anything anti-town at best?
I feel like you're not addressing me in this post...
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Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:25 pm

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In post 1135, Venmar wrote:Also, I fell like town-mastin would want to interact with me more, why aren't you?
Well, if I had scumread you (and mutually so), and then you 'crumbed your role (and then me to you), then yes I would, but we're both townreading each other. :P
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Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:35 pm

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I already outed my role cause MafiaSonic blurted it out.

Mastin why aren't you voting MS, and if you think he's town then why?
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Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:41 pm

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In post 1137, Venmar wrote:Mastin why aren't you voting MS
Because my Cephrir scumread is stronger?
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Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:57 pm

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Cephrir could be scum I guess, but I think Metal Sonic is the better course of action here.
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Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:31 pm

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In post 1139, Venmar wrote:Cephrir could be scum I guess, but I think Metal Sonic is the better course of action here.
Why do you feel Ceph is scum?
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Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:34 pm

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In post 1109, zMuffinMan wrote:i'm not going to be lynched this game
By the way, Muffin's still scum, guys. Just thought I'd say so because the wagon only has 2 votes and it's disappointing.
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Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:35 pm

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In post 1114, Angry Frat BROs wrote:I think MafiaSSK is a pretty good lynch actually.
Lolz. AFB falls into second place though. Lurker lynches are never a good idea.
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Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:36 pm

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EBWOP: In case you can't tell. That was sarcasm. AFB just never told anyone why I was scummy which is scummy. So yeah.
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Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:37 pm

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In post 1119, Angry Frat BROs wrote:You are free to misread him off of meta if you want.

His zMuffin vote is uninspiredly terrible and his "Im not seeing the mastin pressure, someone explain it to me??" is pointless 100%.
We'll see about Muffinz when Muffinz gets lynched. And when he flips scum.

As for the Mastin pressure question, Mastin just seems town. We just get each other. So I was curious as to how people had felt he was scum when he's so obviously not to me.
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Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:44 pm

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In post 1132, mastin2 wrote:(No, but seriously. I'm treating the neighborhoods as a non-entity in this game. One neighborhood with three in it? Likely has one scum, no more nor less. Multiple neighborhoods in the same game? Are likely randomly or at least semi-randomly generated. Thus, are not alignment-indicative. Thus, we should base reads on the players not on setup spec, but on the players themselves. Which still points to Metal Sonic being scum anyway. )
Oh, God. I'm in love with this bit of posting. Thank you for being town. My read on you just solidified.

(There were myriad ways Mastin could have pushed the neighbourhood angle as scum - completely ignoring them was not one of those ways.)
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Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:46 pm

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Even Mastin is ignoring me.
I've gotta figure
It's cus he knows I'm town.
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Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:49 pm

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Varsoon, can you do me a favour and self-impose a haiku PR for me? You almost have it down already.

If you need to type a longer post, I'm also a fan of sonnets.
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Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:04 pm

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In post 1146, Varsoon wrote:Even Mastin is ignoring me.
I asked if I missed anything. :P What of yours did I miss?

(And, no, not know. Strongly suspect, though, yes; you're a fairly solid townread.)
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Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:11 pm

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In post 1141, MafiaSSK wrote: By the way, Muffin's still scum, guys. Just thought I'd say so because the wagon only has 2 votes and it's disappointing.
Why? Because he fake-claimed IC? How does that chain of reasoning even make sense?
In post 1144, MafiaSSK wrote:As for the Mastin pressure question, Mastin just seems town. We just get each other. So I was curious as to how people had felt he was scum when he's so obviously not to me.
Or he's playing you. Or you're playing him. Or you're both scum. And since you refuse to post anything other than vague one-liners, you are not helping anyone figure out the truth, which may be that you are both town. Right now you are simply a waste of space.
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