Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.17

pisskop (L-2):

Nachomamma8 | emeraldemon | Sakura Hana

bjc (L-3):

Lynch Me Bro | TierShift

emeraldemon (L-2):

RayFrost | bjc | pisskop

Not Voting:

fferyllt

The deadline is in Feburary 6, 5:00 PM EST.
Deadline counter: (expired on 2014-02-06 17:00:00)

[fferyllt]

I thought 827 was kinda scummy. (see 979).

What was scummy about it?

[bjc]

Yo drop that hammer.

[pisskop]

Yo drop that hammer.

What? No. I want his suspicions on Ray aired first.

[pisskop]

and then if.

[emeraldemon]

Pisskop, when I was talking to you earlier about your scumreads you didn't mention me. Is this a "any wagon but mine" vote? You seemed suspicious of Sakura and tiershift and bjc and maybe fferylt, but you didn't say anything about me.

Getting to the other questions and my reads, will post again shortly.

[TierShift]

Long catchup post incoming

if im still alive ill post my business and claim. tier is looking town and i must admit I see his reasoning. will my death help clear him?

Yo, so somebody ISO tier, abbott, hana and search for these names

---abbott

hana = 0 (:neutral:)
tiershift = 1 (1 match, defug?)
TS = 3 (only in read lists)

---hana

abbott 0 (yup, surprise)
tiershift = 5 (???)
TS = 16

---tiershift

abbott = 5
hana = 0


the only other person who holds a candle to this is LMB. But he's town.

analyzing Hana's posts on Tier seem to suggest me being town clears Tier. Game, set, match.

ebwop.

Tier has two hits for 'hana'. opps.

Ill look at it again, but superseriousclasstime is right now.

What is all of this?
I'm town, and you want to clear me by getting lynched? How?
I refer to sakura as sakura, not as hana.
Are you daying I'm scum with sakura, or are you saying I'm town?

Am I allowed to be happy that ika's getting replaced by someone with better spelling?

Yes so am I

Reading everything, emeraldemon is the most scummy to me at the moment.

And yes I am serious when I say pisskop is probably town. Unfortunately so.

Explain both your emerald scumread and your pisskop townread to me.

Spoiler:

@ika
So you want to wait a few days to start scumhunting? Maybe scum will confess on their own?

To answer your question, no, I don't think people usually randomly switch votes in RVS. I don't think bjc's vote was random, I think he had a reason. I wanted to hear from him what that reason was. The fact that you're intercepting and trying to stop me from asking a very reasonable question makes me suspicious of you. Maybe you'd rather keep the fluff rolling as long as
possible.

Why the fuck was there exactly zero response to me laying out a big post about bjc and changing my reads? It doesn't sit well with me at all, I get that most of the players are lurking right now, but why didn't bjc OR ika OR tiershift say anything?

Why should I post shit if it's gonna be ignored?

ika you blew off my actual analysis so that you could engage in another pointless time-wasting game. Day ends soon. Stop the BS.

Rayfrost don't start with me, I am pissed off at you also. You really think what we need is more games with 4 days to lynch?

bjc, you have zero excuse for ignoring my post, you just continue to say "ED is still scummy" without even trying. Was that whole thing scum theater to throw you off your game? Or are you just being lazy? Have your reads changed at all in the last week?

I will come back later and try to post more productively, but I am too annoyed to be helpful right now.

Oh and I didn't drop to second scummiest, I was already there.

Nope:

TOWN
Nachomamma - I agree with almost every post from him that isn't about ika
lynch me bro - newbtown all the way
RayFrost - I like your ability to write in complete paragraphs
Abbott - null still
tiershift - aggressively townreading me, not sure if this is a test
ika - badfeels
bjc - probably scum
Rob W - The real test will be if we get him to L-1
SCUM

Look, it's totally fair to call me out for lurking, I have been a shitty town player this game, and the fact that all of our experienced players are getting prodded / replaced has made this kind of a shitty game (plus the one intentional newbie lurker). But if you're really town, reread what I wrote and think about it. I think you're probably wrong about bjc.

He's never not going to be like this in terms of the quality of his logic, but that doesn't make it so that we can't read him for sincerity / transparency tells. Which, if you were a transparency tell kind of person, you'd be able to do pretty easily off of his posting.

. . . oww. you, you say that in two months. Ive got 1completed game under me and im learning all the time. i think being scum is easier for me, though. :/


ed is ehh for me. id be willing to vote him for a trip because info is good.

unvote
vote: emeralddemon

emerald, i do want you to lay out any rayfrost suspicions you have clearly though.

im willing to see where this goes, ehh?

And pisskop shamelessly hops on the ed wagon, with a sick IIoA.

on other news bjc has evolved from prob town to obvtown for me.

Why?

Fferyllt seems town to me, just like her predecessor.
Emerald is townietown
Sakura is up there in the townreads
Ray is town enough
LMB looks like newbtown

Nacho is still so null, not liking that.

And either bjc or koppie may die.
Bjc scumread refuses to change and there's little incentive for it to.
Pisskop is painting everyone black and is flipflopping like crazy. I find it hard to believe that he's actually feeling what he says he's feeling.

Why again is there this emerald wagon?

[emeraldemon]

@fferylt
1073: Oh is Nacho good? Sorry nacho I will be afraid of you too now . Seriously though, my intention was only to express admiration, I still plan on sorting you just like everyone else. Regarding my finished game, I posted it in my first post in case anyone wants to read it, but honestly I have no idea how my town game is. What you're seeing here is me learning to actually town for the first time (and the other games I'm in now).

1101: So Sakura is the only one who's mentioned a townblock, and she's mentioned it twice (645 & 827). Nacho did say 729 that he thought all those people were town, so maybe that's the same thing. But why doesn't Sakura say "I think all these people are town"? Why is it nacho's townblock, and not her townblock? Is this some appeal to authority that I didn't get because I didn't know nacho is awesome at scumhunting (sorry again nacho)?

Combined with this, I never had a particular townread on abbott, and I don't really remember that from nacho and ray either, but I need to go back and reread. Maybe Abbott really was town and I wasn't paying attention.

Still need to at least respond to ray, ISO Ray for pisskop and think some about where I stand on everyone.

[fferyllt]

Don't talk about other ongoing games.

[emeraldemon]

Right, my bad. Strike that bit from the record.

[fferyllt]

@fferylt
1073: Oh is Nacho good? Sorry nacho I will be afraid of you too now . Seriously though, my intention was only to express admiration, I still plan on sorting you just like everyone else. Regarding my finished game, I posted it in my first post in case anyone wants to read it, but honestly I have no idea how my town game is. What you're seeing here is me learning to actually town for the first time (and the other games I'm in now).

Yeah, Nacho's very good as all alignments.

1101: So Sakura is the only one who's mentioned a townblock, and she's mentioned it twice (645 & 827). Nacho did say 729 that he thought all those people were town, so maybe that's the same thing. But why doesn't Sakura say "I think all these people are town"? Why is it nacho's townblock, and not her townblock? Is this some appeal to authority that I didn't get because I didn't know nacho is awesome at scumhunting (sorry again nacho)?

Townblocs are awesome, and whether I mention them explicitly or not, I'm usually working on building them. I townhunt as well as scumhunt, and in some games scumhunting comes down to PoE as much as anything. My townbloc-ing approach has been influenced by playing with Nacho, so make of that what you will regarding his approach as town.

Combined with this, I never had a particular townread on abbott, and I don't really remember that from nacho and ray either, but I need to go back and reread. Maybe Abbott really was town and I wasn't paying attention.

Nacho called Abbot town here: 227, which came after his Abbot vote and a fairly long exchange with Abbot about the vote and Abbot's suspicions of Nacho and bjc. In post 461 he has Abbot in his townpile. In 791 he says Abbot has been town for a while. That's a pretty solid trajectory on the slot.

[TierShift]

What good is there to a townbloc when there's like 3 people who agree that it actually is a townbloc?

[pisskop]

I refer to sakura as sakura, not as hana.

yup

[fferyllt]

What good is there to a townbloc when there's like 3 people who agree that it actually is a townbloc?

I don't care how many people agree with my townbloc. The power of a townbloc is in having a small handful of players whose reads I trust are coming from a town perspective and are well informed. The strength of a townbloc is in what it provides in feedback to my own reads. Not every player I think is town is part of my townbloc, usually.

[emeraldemon]

my townbloc

This is the part I'm trying to draw attention to. You are trying to make your own townblock. You did not describe yourself as part of nacho's townblock. What I got out of that post is "nacho thinks we're town, so you should too".

This is all about the possible intention behind one post, but that post felt bad to me and I stand by that.

[TierShift]

Don't discuss townblocs around ED

He gets upset

[emeraldemon]

PEd. Because I think I know why Nacho's onto him, considering i've hydra'd with Nacho before and I've learned some of his scumhunting tactics, which are known as godly by most ppl on this site that know him.

I would never personally call nacho godly in his scumhunting, but I've known him for ages.

I forgot about this exchange. Adds to my feeling that Sakura is trying to use Nacho as an authority.

[emeraldemon]

I reread rayFrost, I still think he is probably town. His trajectory on ika feels natural to me and somewhat mirrors my own, thinking he was pretty scummy early and then slowly feeling better about him. (although ika/fferylt moved all the way to strong town for him, which hasn't happened for me). And just recently, it's hard to see the scum motivation behind defending pisskop when he's so close to lynch. The only way that would make sense to me would be if it was rayfrost / pisskop scumteam. But I have a hard time buying that also given how early ray hopped on the RobW wagon (2nd vote I think, 255) and how long he stayed there.

[Sakura Hana]

1101: So Sakura is the only one who's mentioned a townblock, and she's mentioned it twice (645 & 827). Nacho did say 729 that he thought all those people were town, so maybe that's the same thing. But why doesn't Sakura say "I think all these people are town"? Why is it nacho's townblock, and not her townblock? Is this some appeal to authority that I didn't get because I didn't know nacho is awesome at scumhunting (sorry again nacho)?

Look at the post Nacho's quoting, and look at how i was asking nacho so that

we

would form a townbloc.
The feeling of Nacho's godly scumhunting skills is something i've felt for over 5 games or so by now, heck i've been called out in others for "always sheeping Nacho", what makes you think me mentioning it here makes it different?

[Sakura Hana]

or is this about that one post again which i already explained =/

[fferyllt]

PEd. Because I think I know why Nacho's onto him, considering i've hydra'd with Nacho before and I've learned some of his scumhunting tactics, which are known as godly by most ppl on this site that know him.

I would never personally call nacho godly in his scumhunting, but I've known him for ages.

I forgot about this exchange. Adds to my feeling that Sakura is trying to use Nacho as an authority.

Town-Sakura usually sheeps Nacho on day 1, so yeah, she uses him as an authority, especially on day 1. I can't remember a game I've played with both her and Nacho where she was scum. At worst Sakura sheeping Nacho and using him in appeals to authority are null-tells.

I'm curious what nacho thinks about the "Nacho thinks we're town so you should too" vibe.

[fferyllt]

I reread rayFrost, I still think he is probably town. His trajectory on ika feels natural to me and somewhat mirrors my own, thinking he was pretty scummy early and then slowly feeling better about him. (although ika/fferylt moved all the way to strong town for him, which hasn't happened for me). And just recently, it's hard to see the scum motivation behind defending pisskop when he's so close to lynch. The only way that would make sense to me would be if it was rayfrost / pisskop scumteam. But I have a hard time buying that also given how early ray hopped on the RobW wagon (2nd vote I think, 255) and how long he stayed there.

Ray wanted to hold onto his reasons for thinking pisskop is town for the time being. I suspect I have some of the same reasons since we both have fairly short-term data upon which to make that judgement. I'm holding off discussing it because I don't want to stomp through whatever line of inquiry Ray's set up. When he's ready to talk about it, I'm happy to go first if he wants me to.

[pisskop]

Ray's in a current game w/me.

[Sakura Hana]

Ray's in a current game w/me.

And that game's called Newbie 1471.

[pisskop]

sigh.