Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.19

pisskop (L-1):

Nachomamma8 | emeraldemon | Sakura Hana | bjc

bjc (L-3):

Lynch Me Bro | TierShift

emeraldemon (L-4):

RayFrost

TierShift (L-3):

fferyllt | pisskop

Not Voting:

No one

The deadline is

in Feburary 6, 5:00 PM EST.

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Deadline counter:

(expired on 2014-02-06 17:00:00)

[Sakura Hana]

So many replacements and deadline extensions this game...

[pisskop]

soooooo. \o/ wagons!

[Sakura Hana]

soooooo. \o/ wagons!

the one on you is pretty good, maybe you should join it.

[pisskop]

ehh itll be a relief not to have to defend a damned position. but you should wait for the replacement.

what are your stats on double replacements?

[bjc]

Mother of God... The replacements...

[Sakura Hana]

what are your stats on double replacements?

the one time i see it happen on a newbie slot it was scum, however that slot didnt miss the role PM the first time so idk really.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hayate Yagami replaces Lynch Me Bro. The deadline has been extended by 24 hours.

[Hayate Yagami]

*Whistle*

48 pages. Okay, catch-up analysis coming before I head to bed tonight.

[fferyllt]

I replaced in about 10 pages ago, I think. It wasn't a horrible catch-up read.

[emeraldemon]

What if this day never ends because of constant replacing? I'm half expecting Nacho to replace out now.

[Sakura Hana]

We could just make it end by hammering kop or his partner!
btw cute avatar Yagami.

[Hayate Yagami]

Okay, time for my catch-up analysis gogo

Spoiler:

#14 is... weird. Not so much scummy as it is... weird. What was the point of this pseudo-claim?
#17- This feels like an overreaction to me- vt is in the 3x3 box as well, after all. So it wasn't an auto maf/PR claim. It just feels like you were trying too hard here.

The ika v. emeraldemon conflict feels like town v. town; emeraldemon has town motivation in being curious about exactly why bjc swapped his vote (which I took as a move to promote discussion- hence post #28) and wanting to pressure that angle, while ika is putting out aggressive feelers and genuinely seems to be trying to analyze the mindset behind emerald's pressure.

#34- I can't imagine scumnacho feeling insulted because another player townreads them; that's exactly what scum wants to see happen.

#35 feels dreadfully weak. Okay, so conversation was spurred by your switch-vote. What do you think of it. Do you see anything interesting? Just saying "interesting..." doesn't really cut it; don't dodge the ability to provide content.

#37 I disagree with the vote but I can see it making sense from a town pov. Emeraldemon makes a genuine attempt to put pressure on bjc for the switch-vote, ika jumps on him aggressively, I can see a townie lashing back with a vote at this stage.

#38- This post feels like buddying up to the most aggressive player in the game thus far to me. Why vote emeraldemon for that vote? What about it is scummy? Voting without explanation in this case is a bit ew, since it feels like a serious vote and not a "Prompting discussion" vote.

#42 has the wrong target in my opinion, but it's overall relatively logical and I can see the pro-town thought process at work here.

#49- And... why don't you want to join the nacho-wagon? Give rationale please.

#54- Hate this vote. A random non-explained vote now that a great deal of discussion has occurred with no comment on said discussion.

#56- On a whole, this feels pro-town. Scum wouldn't be pushing as hard for players to get active and provide content as town, because providing content and information about your slot is inherently pro-town. I'd like to see him do more with the content provided though.

#57 is town as hell; I especially like the questions.

#60- You're weary of somebody because they voted your second-highest scumread? Why? I dislike the fact that you never seem to explain things like this.

#62- A solid defense overall; don't see anything particularly objectionable

#79- I like the way that Emeraldemon is willing to throw doubt on his own argument; it makes me feels like his reads are more flexible and makes the scumhunting feel more genuine.

#86- Hey, what happened to that list of reads, bjc? And explain the nacho vote?

#90- This post is completely pointless. Why did you post it?

#94- Why would you be fine with a lynch on... page 4?

#95- I like Nacho's explanation of his ika read and I feel that he handles himself decently under the pressure here.

#98- My townread on nacho only grows stronger from that case, it seems logical and feels genuine.

#103- I dislike this "What information did you get on me?" "Enough." response. I would want specifics. What about the response made nacho town?

#104- Yet another explanationless vote/sheeping the wagon that's gaining momentum/sheeping ika. I feel like you've been doing some massively buddying up to ika this game.

#108- We're over 100 posts in, and you only have two reads, and explain neither of them? If you had a scumread on abott, why didn't you vote them until momentum began to shift towards that direction? I would love an explanation from you on what made Abott scum and what made ika town at this point.

#113- Like the list, this gives me good vibes. It genuinely feels like ika is trying to figure everybody out.

#120- This is just here to note that I have yet to find a single abbott post that is really worthy of comment and that seriously concerns me.

#121- I'm not sure that Ray's case is scummy, but it's pretty weak. The L-1 vote was relatively clearly for reactions and ika notes this during his unvote. I agree that the claiming that nacho is coasting 4 pages in is pretty weak, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that ika DID unvote. Also, I don't see anywhere where ika claims that he's only looking at the people deemed scummiest by consensus. I'm also surprised that you would consider ika to be "lack of own idea posting"... he seems to be one of the more actively independent thinkers thus far. Compare his posts to, say, bjc's.

#128- I dislike abbott disagreeing with Ray's post, but refusing to elaborate on why. He says that he's twisting ika's words, but never adds any MEAT to the disagreement.

#132- I like the second part of TierShift's case on Abbott- that of posting a lot but not really posting content; since it more or less echoes my thoughts on him.

#134- I disagree with the case on ika, but the case still feels relatively sincere. I also like how he's going after a player many people have been calling pro-town, instead of pushing easy targets Nacho/abbott. Feels genuine.

#136- Dislike the pushing for a quicklynch, although I do like the openness that he's doing it for the sake of following a wagon. So this post is kind of a toss-up.

#141- I dislike this "Eh, I'll lynch basically whoever" attitude. It feels scummy to me (Recall that as last reported he had a single townread).

#145- I hate this analysis. It feels like a whole bunch of IIoA and really bbjc doesn't commit to all that much. Also what is with RayFrost being so high? Why he is so much higher than Nacho, somebody whom you did say positive things about in your analysis?

#156- Contribute please.

This Rayfrost-ika argument really feels like an attack over playstyle, which is null. Overall I do think ika defends himself well, though.

165- I like emerald's case on bjc; the logic flow feels townie and I agree with the points made; it feels like legitimate scumhunting.

#169- I dislike this reads list just because thrown out there with no explanation or elaboration on the reads, it feels like it's supposed to substitute for content.

#192- Would be curious about your reads SINCE 109. Another wagon vote; not all that pleased.

#210- Hi. Post content.

#234- I don't particularly like this post; it feels like a swipe at somebody that you say is town and have been following the entirety of the game.

#241- This feels like pro-town paranoia to me; I don't see ika-scum getting aggressive at another player because they have a town read on them.

Overall, ika's whole attack on nacho gives me good vibes. I would say that nacho defends himself decently well, however. Feels like another town v. town fight.

#253- Oh, I just realized that you never explained your rayfrost read! Also why does the fact that rob only made 2-3 posts not want to vote him? Connection noted.

#255- I wish Rayfrost would elaborate on "Reasons". Is Rob scummy? If so, why?

#256- If you want to focus on those players, why aren't you pushing cases on them at all? And just kind of... sitting there? This whole "I want to see more posts from everybody" also seems to contradict your earlier talking about being cool with a quicklynch.

#260- Bandwagoning onto a lurker lynch. Doubleplusungood. Content please

#265- The reads list feels genuine to me, and I like the whole "Rob W is an easy lynch" comment. I would expect scum to jump at being able to express pressure on a lurker; it's a great way to look like they're scumhunting. The RayFrost case is pretty meh, but nothing is particularly scummy amount it.

#280- Wasn't ika a town read? Your ONLY townread, as a matter of fact? What changed?

#285- Where did Tiershift/emeraldemon come from? What about the two of them makes them scummy? (Also, stop directing our PRs, people! It's not helpful.)

#313- There's SOMETHING about this post I like, but not sure what. Chalk it up to gut. I also really like the bjc case in the following post, and agree with it mostly.

#323- Now suddenly emeraldemon is more scummy than ika! Am I the only one that feels like these reads are really inconsistent and erratic? (Also no comment on anybody else in the game?)

#331- Again, I like it because it echoes my thought-process, and that will always be a good sign.

#334- Content. Post it.

#336- I dislike the way that bcj attacks Rob, but is unwilling to commit to a vote on him. What makes emerald scummier?

#343- I like how bcj attempts to discredit RayFrost's case instead of actually responding to it

#355- This is the first really proactive post I feel like Abbott has made. On a whole the bcj case is decent, but it feels like he's slightly hedging his bets with that rob comment- he'll happily swing back to the lurker wagon if it becomes more convenient or the bcjwagon stops having traction.

#362- If you don't feel like the lynch would teach us anything post flip... why would you be willing to switch to it?

#369- pushes for a rob lynch despite not voting him, and the self-preservation in this post reeks.

Another gut read but I like Post #376.

#378- I do dislike the way Tier dodges Nacho's second question and the first is a stale "dumb newb" defense. Though I am getting newb vibes from that slot, to be fair.

#383- Honestly I don't see Tier going out of his way to protect a buddy who obviously isn't going to contribute to his team like this, when it's a good opportunity to distance. This feels like a legitimate townie attempting to defend somebody who he thinks is a dumb newb.

Although I don't agree with it 386 does show a good deal of independent thought and feels like genuine scumhunting. That said, this emerald read seems to materialize out of nowhere.

398- This feels like "I can't come up with independent reasoning, so I'll just sheep somebody else's!" Which is especially funny because the arguments are about

another player

and

really don't work when it comes to emerald's slot!

403- "Hey, don't lynch me! Here are some easier lynches for you to choose from!"

407- This feels more like a town analysis post than bcj's earlier did. Here emerald is posting legitimate thoughts and providing content; I don't feel like the case against ika is all that compelling, though. I do agree with his thoughts on abbott though.

Again, I think that ika defends himself from the argument decently well; I'm not sure that I could have done all that much better- the logic he uses to defend himself is sound.

414- I like this post a lot less. It feels like it's dependent upon misreads of Abbott's posts, and on a whole is a pretty weak argument, especially when you seemed decently convinced of nachoscum.

416- This feels like an awful way to avoid actually having to address ika's points though.

430- A couple things in this post do give me slight pings on the TownDar, but on the whole it's pretty meh.

443- Why is Abbott scum? And if you think Abbott is scummier than Rob, why were you just like "Hey, if you want to lynch somebody, lynch rob!!!" in #369?

455- I'm getting rather defensive vibes from this post.

456 seems genuine as fuck to me.

464- Finally, some real content! (After having to be pressured to do it, which is slightly alarming); but it's all a case on one player which I really find weak and based on misinterpretations/misrepresentations of his posts to begin with.

465 and 467 are annoyingly fluffy.

471- I like the questions but the vote comes across as really opportunistic. What happened to that big post on bjc?

478- I love the way emerald's thought process evolves throughout this post, and the analysis here is solid and feel genuine.

480- Why must this slot have some kind of fatal allergy to posting content?

485- I don't feel like ika's activity actually means much of anything, but I can't imagine scum going to all that effort and forcing everybody to give reads for an activity that isn't going to be particularly beneficial for them at all

504- This feels like a townie response to a possible lurker lynch.

518- It feels like ika abandoned that Tier wagon really quickly.

I wish Nacho would be a bit more active, although I'm not sure if that isn't a "busy-with-other-games-and-RL" thing rather than a "nacho-lurking-because-scum" thing.

522- I like the attempts at discrediting without making a rebuttal to Tier's points (which are solid ones.)

526- My gut is giving me slight townvibes from this post, but nothing too strong.

541- Content. Post it. Gogogogo

542- I love post 542. The response to ika's activity is logical and legitimate, but instead of simply dismissing it, Ray makes an effort to use it to generate content, particularly from slots currently under a good deal of pressure.

The frustration in 552 feels entirely legitimate. That said, I'm not sure I like what almost feels like an attempt to dodge the activity, given how much content it could potentially generate.

I'm not sure about how to feel about the emerald-tier interaction; it feels a bit... fake somehow. That's my gut again though. I dislike even bringing up the POSSIBILITY of town PRs as emerald does in 558, though. It doesn't seem like a sound precedent. I kind of dislike the way emeraldemon seems to frame what Rob is doing in terms of it being anti-town and not scummy, yet still somewhat wants to lynch him. The fact that he notes he pursued a lurker in the previous game and was scum in that one does earn him some townpoints though.

578- I hate the way Tier just sheeps other players reasoning here, especially when Tier seemed capable of making independent cases earlier on in the game. I'm torn on the rest of the post; the way that he's willing to change his mind makes me feel like he's making a sincere effort to determine who is scummy and who isn't, but a good chunk of the post still felt like fencesitting.

584- Got any reason for those reads?

588- I half-like the way that Sakura seems to be wondering why other people aren't pressuring her, in a way inviting that pressure, but on the other hand dislike how she doesn't provide the reasons on her own.

594- I really, really dislike somebody suddenly shifting to sheep-mode right before a lynch, but the rationale I can at least understand in theory, so it's pretty null.

611- Why does this attack on bcj make ika more likely to be scum, Sakura?

I agree with 620 for the record... I see nothing particularly unfakeable in that post; though I may just be confo-biasing at this point.

626- I really wish Sakura would be more specific on the content that strengthened/weakened her reads, and the fact that rereading only changed two, and one is changed by events in the present-day and not even further analysis during the reread feels sketchy; it makes me feel like her reads are rather static.

654- Why would you press a PR to claim at L-2? That seems suboptimal. A PR should claim only if they absolutely HAVE to. AKA: At l-1.

656- EM says that he's been trying hard to 1-1 TierShift to sort him... but I haven't seen all that much of this 1-1ing.

670- I love the way that Tier soft-defends the player attacking him. The defense as a whole feels quite townie to me.

I kind of wish Nacho would post more content.

706 "I'm voting you because I think you're scum and I know I'll look scummy if you flip town, but I don't care, because I think you're scum." This reads town as hell to me.

716- Replacement tells are, 99% of the time, worthless. Maybe they replaced because they were scum and didn't want to be attacked. Maybe they replaced because the game ended up boring them. Maybe they replaced because of internet problems. Etc. I dislike your sudden shift back to the rob wagon for really shaky reasoning.

Eh, I don't necessarily agree with Nacho and Sakura's case (and for obvious reasons I can't completely), but now that they have formalized it and backed it up with meta, it's stronger to me.

I'm not sure I completely like the way that Tier admits that they can't find backup for their point, but seem to cling to it by attacking Sakura and Nacho's rebuttals. That said, the way that Tier finally folds after Nacho fully elaborates on his reasoning (which is thorough, logical, and feels like it's coming from a town mindset) feels ever so slightly town, but its probably more null than anything. Changing his mind at this point is the logical option regardless of alignment.

The amount of IIOA in 783 blows my mind.

I do like Sakura saying that her priority would be TS in 798; a player that can actually defend themselves; rather than Rob who in the best-case scenario is going to be replaced by an unknown player who can't explain rob's actions.

829- Dat blatant fear-mongering. Also I like how he calls the two slots scummy before even having read them. Also why would you do an RVS vote this late in the game, even if you're replacing in?

836- On the one hand I'd be surprised at scum not bothering to fakeclaim a PR, on the otherhand that sort of defiant attitude feels more like caught scum rather than a wagoned townie. Hm. Toss-up.

843 I like emerald overall but this vote is just awful.

853- What's with the "if" here. You know you're going to flip town. Why speak in conditionals when referring to your own flip?

854- Ew. A reads list with three reads, Ray being completely unexplained, another being a bland nothing, and a third for unexplained reasons. And everybody else is null and nobody is scummy. Okay.

863- When you're badly underfire like this... are you really going to attack one of the people that suddenly has no real desire to lynch you?

871- This feels like stalling. If you have reads then share them with the rest of us.

878- Ew, self-meta. That said 879 is really pinging my gut. Sooo

Given how pisskop saw through the gambit, I don't buy much stock into any reactions therein. So it's all pretty null.

906- And then this post is pinging my gut in the wrong way. This sudden defeatism just doesn't seem to jive with the rest of pisskop's play, and really gives me more a "caught scum" feel than a "frustrated townie" feel.

I like 911 a lot, the removal has no real benefit for scum (it's removing any possibility of a townie hammer that would cut off discussion) and the rationale feels really genuine.

919 feels pretty omgusy. :\

925 I kind of like; it feels like it would have been more intuitive to shift back to defending Tier's scumbuddy now that it's a player who is actually contributing, instead getting aggressive at them. And it feels a bit late for distancing after all that hard defending in the early game.

927- You want to hear two player's thoughts... yet you only give 6 hours? That feels like a relatively short timeframe.

931- I dislike this sniping. Why is being forceful scummy?

935- Not a huge fan of this snipe either.

938- Honestly the frustration at their sniping feels genuine. The scumlist is really meh though. Especially with no rationale behind it.

945- ew, more sniping.

949- What is your case on nacho?

950- I more or less completely agree with this reads list, and I can't help but give townie points to people who think as I do. And I can't see scum asking if their death will clear anybody, given what they know they'll flip, and that thus the question is completely pointless.

956- The annoying thing is that I would expect a PR fakeclaim at this stage from scum. I don't see the pro-scum benefit in claiming VT unless you're giving up, and it doesn't feel like pisskop is giving up to me.

996- Out of curiosity, do you feel like you've put a lot of effort into sorting Tier thus far? If so, how much more sorting do you think you'll need to do before you can give a valid conclusion.

1008- This feels like you're rushing the lynch, while simultaneously saying you get why we shouldn't.

1037- Out of curiosity, why the revote?

1042- People are still discussing things, the game isn't stalling, why are you so trigger-happy?

1050- I don't see RayFrost making this post, particularly if pisskop is town, which I suspect. This would be a perfect chance to bus a buddy, yet he instead pushes the minority position that is going to make him look bad when pisskop flips scum?

1098- Nacho, stop lurking please. I know you've been active in other games, so stepping up here would be good.

1102- Do I have to explain why this post is scummy?

1103- And why this post is town?

1118- It kind of feels like Sakura is using meta as an excuse here more than as an explanation. And did you ever explain what you thought nacho found scummy about Rob?

1130- I REALLY WISH we wouldn't talk about PR softclaims. Why do you feel that doing so is pro-town?

1135 feels like pro-town paranoia to me.

1162- I don't agree with pisskop's post at all, but it feels like a legitimate townpost to me.

TL;DR Reads List:

TOWN:
ffery
emerald
RayFrost

LEANING TOWN:
Nacho
Pisskop
Tier

NULL:
Sakura

SCUM:
bcj

Basically, I'd really only want to hammer pisskop out of necessity at deadline; I genuinely don't buy that he's scum. I would much prefer a bcj flashwagon, though I wouldn't mind some pressure on Sakura either.

I have a hunch that even if bcj/Sakura is scum (and I would be surprised if neither are) the other one is hiding in one of my town lists somewhere... Nacho would be the first place I would look, then Tier.

If any of these reads confuse you/don't believe are adequately explained by my analysis, then feel free to ask! I'll do my best to oblige you.

Also, thanks Sakura. Only picture of the character I could find that fit the avvy requirements. ^_^;

[emeraldemon]

@Hayate Yagami
Your account is brand new, but you sound like someone with a lot of experience, maybe on this site specifically (referring to nacho's activity elsewhere for example). Is this an alt account or something? If you want to remain mysterious I can dig it, but I like to know where players are coming from.

Also your catchup post is really long, would you mind summarizing your bjc read please?

[emeraldemon]

996- Out of curiosity, do you feel like you've put a lot of effort into sorting Tier thus far? If so, how much more sorting do you think you'll need to do before you can give a valid conclusion.

I've put a lot of thought into it anyway, and the answer I get out is "probably scum". It's hard for me to argue with him for townreading me since in my mind all my posts are town, but that doesn't stop me from being suspicious about it, and specifically about him not responding to my scumreading of him, or him not being paranoid of me as scum when I just tricked him as scum last game. And in general his reads have felt suspiciously constant, pushing the same cases basically the whole day. Of course town can do this also, but I think maybe town is less worried about being self-consistent. And being fluid and open to new information is something that's hard for scum to fake I think, so they may compensate by tunneling more.

Unfortunately you could probably say the same thing about bjc's reads and nacho's, and they can't all three be scum. Nacho might have the best excuse if he's really too busy to keep up with the thread.

As for how much more sorting I need, I am still terrified of everyone and confident about nothing. Even my best townread (probably rayfrost right now) makes me paranoid, when I ask myself "could rayfrost be scum", the answer in my head is "definitely". There's a reason I'm asking pisskop for a case about tiershift (still waiting), both to help me sort pisskop better and to hear someone else's perspective on tier, even if I still think pisskop is scummy.

[fferyllt]

Hayate, I take it your read of me is entirely based on ika?

[pisskop]

If I found juicey nuggets I would have shared them. I think his playstyle here is very open, and while looking over his specific choice of wording I get all tingly. one of my newer insights inti the game are choice of wording and how it changes under pressure. or if scuk popushing an angle. other than that yiu can have what I saved in a draft last night.

Spoiler:

I think that Tier may be using my slot a verification of his own, which is why he was okay defending it. I've stated something of the sort before. Another point is his pursuit on bjc. bjc has let him sit rather idle whilst looking like a scumhunter.

No, actually scum don't quickhammer on this site.

Saying I'm afraid to be lynched is pretty groundless your activity was worthless to me and I refuse to be lynched solely because of that and that's the last I'll say about that activity.

P-edit:
Fuck you get me paranoid about ed now...

o.o

Aside from that its all wifomy and Stuff.

I want a wagon on him, not to share my theories or to lynch him now.

[emeraldemon]

while looking over his specific choice of wording I get all tingly.

What does this mean? tingly suspicious? tingly feel-good? Turned on?

[RayFrost]

Unvote, vote: tiershift

Actively against voting for pisskop at this stage in the game. If you guys could read transparency tells this would make more sense to you. Pisskop's genuine as hell.

bjc's an iffy lynch choice due to the fact that he's been hovering on the edge of a knife the majority of the game day now without any of several cases being able to really push it through

I am a personal fan of emeraldemon lynch because I feel his posting has been lackluster on the whole. There's frustration tells, but the frustration reads to me as caught for the wrong reasons frustration rather than you're wrong and goddammit listen to me reasons. Self-preservation levels are abnormal to me when I read over the height of suspicion on him. He's not quite fully devoted to the whole self-preservation thing but the air of "fine I find teh scumzies lynch me idc" comes across as forced rather than genuine. Compare posting of this style to the frustrated posts and you can tell a distinct difference in how they come across. Modulation in style reveals removal of genuine self in place of a facade, which is indicative more likely of scum than town.

It's 3:32 am. I am going to go die now.

[RayFrost]

By the way the vote on tiershift is to indicate that I'd prefer tier over pisskop lynched if you guys aren't convinced that dogmeraldo is scum.

[fferyllt]

The bjc lynch not going through is a town-leaning consideration?

[Sakura Hana]

dogmeraldo

I like you.

[Hayate Yagami]

@Hayate Yagami
Your account is brand new, but you sound like someone with a lot of experience, maybe on this site specifically (referring to nacho's activity elsewhere for example). Is this an alt account or something? If you want to remain mysterious I can dig it, but I like to know where players are coming from.

Nah, if I were an alt, no chance I'd join a newbie game without saying so. That sounds crazy immoral. I've been a lurker here a long time tho and read a lot of games; so I'm pretty familiar with lingo and am reading ongoings so I know about player activity. So I'm mostly doing this as its a chance to refine my scumhunting and get opinions about my play from people far better than I.

Also your catchup post is really long, would you mind summarizing your bjc read please?

Fair enough! Let's see here. I haven't really liked bjc from the beginning, since although he has been making moves to generate content, he never actually does anything

with

that content. This is blatant in #35: he actually comments on what resulted from this vote, but merely says "interesting" instead of actually putting up anything of value. And if you proceed to look at his votes... they're pretty bad. He reaction votes you for no apparent reason except that you were attacking ika (which makes his aggressive stance on Rob W for voting for no reason kind of hypocritical, really), and then wagon votes nacho a good 50 posts later. Also without giving any reasons. Does the exact same thing with abbott and then my slot. His vote on ika later on is just awful, this is after calling ika town in his reply to RayFrost in #208, saying that RayFrost's scumread of ika is off on #197, and calling ika a solid townread back on #145, with nothing really seeming to cause a shift in opinion. Yet he suddenly warrants pressure? He then says that he has a hard time believing ika is scum and yet ika is worthy of an investigation 3 posts later.

And then, after all that pressure on TS and ED, he shifts to easy mislynch pisskop without giving any particular rationale. Like looking at his iso you see a post here or thing with sniping or a quick 1-liner but nothing resembling a solid case. The only thing that really saves him here is that he was willing to swing back to you once that wagon appeared to be gaining momentum.

Now, let's talk about other stuff. His reads are just bad. As noted his ika read is erratic as heck, and he suddenly turns on pisskop with pretty much no coherent rationale. Some of his reads in his analysis post are completely unexplained (see RayFrost being one of the towniest when he didn't even comment on him). He found Abbott scummy at the start of the game but did absolutely nothing to pressure that slot up until Sakura came in, and he has made a special effort to not comment on Sakura at all. (Like I just searched "Sakura" in his ISO, he has said literally nothing about her except asking why she's scummy and saying that he sees no TS-Sakura connections, which is basically the equivalent of nothing).

And then there's his blatant survivalism surrounding the Rob wagon, and some posts that just give me bad vibes in general- that joke about scum hammering and that overreaction at the beginning of the game, for instance.

Hayate, I take it your read of me is entirely based on ika?

Most of my read is based off ika, yeah. I find you trickier to read; looking back at your ISO you have been providing reads, but no incredibly strong content and unlike ika you aren't really making any massive waves, finding it easier to sit in the back a bit more and poke and prod players with questions. Overall a lot of your questions have been decently proactive though and your interaction with ED in particular did feel like genuine scumhunting, so you haven't done all that much to cause me existing read on the slot to change.

bjc, why is pisskop scum? And what are your feelings on Sakura at the moment?
ffery, convince me on bjc-town. I'm not feeling it at all at the moment and would much prefer a wagon on bjc to a wagon on emerald or pisskop. (Or Tier, for that matter, but I don't think that's happening today)
Sakura, why do you think I have your slot as null right now? I'm curious as to your thoughts on my read on you. Also, what makes bjc town?
RayFrost (Do you have any preferred shorthand? Ray feels a bit casual; would you prefer Frost?), let's put our Imagination Caps on and imagine Hypothetical World Y where bjc is scum. Exactly how do you feel the wagons on him would be different in such an instance?

(Annoyingly, it looks like my links don't work, sorry about that. Not sure what I did wrong there. You'll either have to dig through people's isos to see exactly which posts I'm getting at, reread the game, or, well, ask me. ^_^;)

[fferyllt]

The post numbers work. Given they're chronological I just flipped through the pages and followed your wall that way.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, why do you think I have your slot as null right now? I'm curious as to your thoughts on my read on you.

My guess is that you didn't like when i was explaining to the ED what that post meant, which I still don't know why he keeps ignoring the fact that I was just pointing relevant stuff to pisskop?.
I don't see why you'd want my thoughts of your read on me, only thing i'd be thinking would be "Why after so many posts someone still can't sort me?", tho if you're paranoid because you can't tell then i'd understand that.

Also, what makes bjc town?

I liked his reactions when he was under pressure, and his reactions to the fake hammer, and i've also liked his latest posts.