Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[Gooner]

Still catching up...

[Flandre Scarlet]

VOTE: Kagami

Pure survivalism at this point.

[Aegor]

cabd, why did you stop the FS wagon?

[MafiaSSK]

mastin, venmar, skull, AFB, orcinus, AD, varsoon
aegor, mollie, sangres
flandre, kaze
brian-slot
cephrir
cabd

to be lynched D4 list: pieguy

IF THERE IS A GOD, THESE PEOPLE WILL BE VIGGED list: METAL SONIC, MAFIASSK (in that order)
(MS because even if he isn't scum, he has a secret scum win con and mafiassk because he's probably town but mafiassk)

So I know that my vote has stayed on Muffin for the majority of the game, but he is such obv scum! Just look at this post!
Vague reads? Check.
Buddying (with pieguy? Check.
Wanting to vig me even though he thinks I'm town?

Seriously. Just look and tell me you don't want to vote Muffinz.

This post really sucks SSK. Especially the buddying pieguy comment. zmuffin's trajectory on pieguy is far from buddying.

Blah blah trajectory blah blah. What a load of crap it is. It all has to start from somewhere right? Why not this post? Why can't the start be small? Wouldn't that in fact be an even smarter method for scum to post with?

[sangres]

Looks like a pretty damn natural trajectory to me.

[Cabd]

cabd, why did you stop the FS wagon?

This is a really dumb question given I explained it in the very same set of posts.

[Aegor]

cabd, why did you stop the FS wagon?

This is a really dumb question given I explained it in the very same set of posts.

No, you did not. My question is why you did not let the lynch play out. Unvoting because someone would be dumb enough to hammer does not tell me why you would be concerned with someone hammering in the first place.

[Cabd]

cabd, why did you stop the FS wagon?

This is a really dumb question given I explained it in the very same set of posts.

No, you did not. My question is why you did not let the lynch play out. Unvoting because someone would be dumb enough to hammer does not tell me why you would be concerned with someone hammering in the first place.

Hammering without a claim on day one of a large is so fucking stupid, I refuse to believe you think it's a good idea.

[sangres]

If Cabd hadn't unvoted at L-1, I would have.

Day 1 derphammers happen. Day 1 scumhammers pretending to be derphammers happen. In fact, Cabd and I did the latter as a scum-hydra in a game not so long ago, and we didn't get lynched for the next game day.

[Varsoon]

It's cus Cabd is scum.

[sangres]

Oh you.

[Varsoon]

Open your brain place a little.
It's possible.

[sangres]

Is that how yours fell out?

[Varsoon]

Yeah, and it got exposed to thinking outside the box.

[Skullduggery]

Who is Flandre scarlet, why are we lynching him and is this a policy lynch

I won't speak for everyone else, but I'm not viewing it as a policy lynch. I want to lynch Flandre because I think he's Scum.

Yo, Metal Sonic.
Hammer this.

UNVOTE: \
Fuck you, he's stupid enough to do it.

Stupid enough to do what? Hammer Scum?

Someone explain why Flandre is being wagoned to my lazy ass.

All you have to do is ISO Flandre and read his "contributions" to the game thus far. Yes, yes, I know you just said that you're lazy, but it's only 14 posts and they're all short. They're also non-committal, fence-sitting, devoid of substantial content, and posted with the intention of looking busy without actually making an effort to find Scum or help Town win the game. The jump from 1183 ("Gee, I wonder why I don't have a wagon on me yet when I've been acting

~so~

scummy.") to 1376 ("Oh shit, there actually is a wagon on me! Abort! Abort!") reads like Scum who tried to get cheeky only to watch his plan backfire in his face.

I'm concerned about the absence of a counter-wagon

Does the lack of a counter-wagon make it any less likely that Flandre is Scum? If so, how?

I'll also accept MS. I really don't want to see that guy make it to LyLo at any rate.

It's a bit early in the game to be thinking about LYLO, don't you think?

People I would be fine lynching:

Kaze
FS
Skull on a policy basis

Right. "Policy." If you're Town, you want me gone just because you don't like me (which is just a

fantastic

reason to want to lynch someone, by the way). If you're Scum, you want me gone because I'm one of the only players here who sees through your bullshit. I just hope that when you inevitably kill me, the rest of Town will be smart enough to realize that I was on the right track.

mastin, venmar, skull, AFB, orcinus, AD, varsoon
aegor, mollie, sangres
flandre, kaze
brian-slot
cephrir
cabd

to be lynched D4 list: pieguy

IF THERE IS A GOD, THESE PEOPLE WILL BE VIGGED list: METAL SONIC, MAFIASSK (in that order)
(MS because even if he isn't scum, he has a secret scum win con and mafiassk because he's probably town but mafiassk)

Just so there's no confusion, are you listing everyone from Town at the top to Scum at the bottom? Because if so, I have to ask why you have a Town read on Aegor and I when you haven't been reading our posts (1096).

It's possible (though not particularly probable) that both wagons were on scum. I don't think both wagons were on town, though. The dynamic just seems to weird for that.

If this is what you think, then wouldn't it make more sense to keep your focus on Metal Sonic and Flandre? Why shift your attention to Cephrir when you sound confident that there's Scum in MS/Flandre?

Because I don't feel like lynching them.

Even though you think one or both of them are Scum?

Kagami

Pure survivalism at this point.

Let's assume for a moment that you're Town. Do you see Scum on your wagon? If so, who?

Hammering without a claim on day one of a large is so fucking stupid, I refuse to believe you think it's a good idea.

So you're fine with being on Flandre's lynch wagon, but only if he claims first and only if you find the claim unsatisfactory. Is that right?

[Cabd]

So you're fine with being on Flandre's lynch wagon, but only if he claims first and only if you find the claim unsatisfactory. Is that right?

Yes.


I am beating my head against the wall here wondering where the fuck this site went wrong in teaching players that hammering pre-claim is ever a good idea.

[Skullduggery]

Considering how unwilling Flandre has been to provide us with anything of substance thus far, what kind of claim were you expecting from him?

Macmollie had already stated intent to hammer and he was within prodding distance when you unvoted. Why not just keep him at L-1 for a little bit longer? He would have been forced to say

something

after being prodded, but now that he's no longer in immediate danger of being hammered, he can go back to lurking his way out of trouble. You gave him an easy way out. Why? Did the thought of a quick-hammer really unsettle you that much?

I assumed that you were voting for him because you thought he was Scum. But now, no claim = no conviction?

[Cabd]

Why?

Metal sonic is legitimately that unaware of the game state that I have no doubt he would have quickhammered. I have zero faith in his ability to think clearly before hammering. And as you can see, I'm not the only one that thought that way.

[Kagami]

...

I'm concerned about the absence of a counter-wagon

Does the lack of a counter-wagon make it any less likely that Flandre is Scum? If so, how?
...

I don't think all the scum would be on-board this as a bus if Flandre is scum, and I think they would be pushing an alternative wagon in the hopes for a mislynch rather than a scum-lynch. The lack of a counter-wagon suggests to me that they are happy with the current lynch.

I view the FS lynch as policy. She has certainly done just about nothing, but she's hardly the only one. The scummiest thing flandre has done so far is to refuse to divulge her main account; but I think that's just as likely anti-town town behavior as anti-town scum behavior. The appeal to "survivalism" is also kind of bad, but falls in the same category, imo. Still not a bad lynch, just a not bad policy lynch.

[Varsoon]

See, Skull, this is exactly what I was talking about!
It's soooooo town of you to abandon that wagon, Cabd.
I'm soooooo glad you're looking out for the interests of town.

[Kazekirimaru]

Suffer not for the Kagami to live.

[Kagami]

Suffer not for the Kagami to live.

You really think I'm scum for lack of day 1 activity?

[Cephrir]

Why are you still posting, voting me, and not giving a solitary reason for it?

[Kagami]

Originally it was that I felt like your opinion on pie took an unnatural direction, and it felt like the suspicion toward AFB didn't feel legit, coupled with a lack of a solid scumread. I don't really hold that opinion anymore. I want to hear more from kaze, because that's likely the direction my vote is headed.

[Kazekirimaru]

Originally it was that I felt like your opinion on pie took an unnatural direction, and it felt like the suspicion toward AFB didn't feel legit, coupled with a lack of a solid scumread. I don't really hold that opinion anymore. I want to hear more from kaze, because that's likely the direction my vote is headed.

I bet it is.