Marvel Avengers Alliance - Game over

[Bulbazak]

I don't think Zekrom is more likely to be a Village Idiot than scum. I'm saying he's an idiot no matter what and no-one here can read him for shit. Thus, as I've said before, he's quite literally a coinflip in terms of flipping scum.

Porkens calling it a policy lynch and a scum lynch as well really irks me.

But if he's an idiot no matter what, wouldn't we do well to get rid of him? Either way, we get rid of a problem player, because he's either scum, or he's going to work against us as we get closer to endgame. Why are you so adamant that he shouldn't be lynched period?

[T S O]

But if the original reasoning is good enough, then why is it necessary to add onto it?

But the original reasoning was not good enough. Both Thor and yourself have seen my play as town. Is my arguing over what I take to be a serious point really a scumtell? Heck, Thor has seen me repeatedly ride wagons on myself out as scum. How would I then be freaking out over something insignificant in RVS like he purporting me to be? Essentially, you leaping on for the same cut and dry reasoning without adding why you think that is true based on your own experiences with me, or even why it is likely to be true in this game, is just plain lazy. And I don't associate you with lazy.

Then I suppose this ultimately comes down to how bad we think your reaction is. You seem to think it's okay. I, on the other hand, think it makes you look like a scumfuck. The difference is, everyone else agrees with me, which usually means I'm right.

And paired with your later comment about Thor being conf. town, it shows clear intent to buddy Thor.[/b]

No, this is you twisting words. Again. I said that if you flip scum, Thor is conf. Town. I never called Thor confTown by himself.

This is you snipping one sentence from an entire argument and misrepresenting it as an argument in and of itself. I said that the comment paired with you lazily using Thor's argument on me showed an intent to buddy.

No, it's not.

To quote you: "Your later comment about Thor being conftown." This implies I have called Thor conftown.

I haven't.

I'm calling him conftown if you flip scum. Conditional. This has nothing to do with buddying, whatsoever.

This is me disproving a significant part of your argument, not picking battles I can win, as you're insinuating. There is a difference.

[Bulbazak]

The difference is, everyone else agrees with me, which usually means I'm right.

This is an appeal to majority, and you know that everyone agreeing with you does not make you correct. You only need to look at Fire Emblem: Awakening for evidence of that.

To quote you: "Your later comment about Thor being conftown." This implies I have called Thor conftown.

I haven't.

I'm calling him conftown if you flip scum. Conditional. This has nothing to do with buddying, whatsoever.

This is me disproving a significant part of your argument, not picking battles I can win, as you're insinuating. There is a difference.

The argument has everything to do with both statements. The lazy reasoning, which is mimicking Thor's, and the conditional that says Thor is conf. town if I am scum is connected. You want to get on Thor's good side, so you say that you believe I'm scum based on the reasoning he's already provided, and that when said reasoning pans out, he'll be conf. town. How is that not buddying?

And you're ignoring my question about Zekrom yet again!

[T S O]

I don't think Zekrom is more likely to be a Village Idiot than scum. I'm saying he's an idiot no matter what and no-one here can read him for shit. Thus, as I've said before, he's quite literally a coinflip in terms of flipping scum.

Porkens calling it a policy lynch and a scum lynch as well really irks me.

But if he's an idiot no matter what, wouldn't we do well to get rid of him? Either way, we get rid of a problem player, because he's either scum, or he's going to work against us as we get closer to endgame. Why are you so adamant that he shouldn't be lynched period?

I'm not incredibly adamant he shouldn't be lynched, though I'm against policy lynches in general. Burned too many times by them. My problem is that some people expect him to flip scum. He won't.

[T S O]

Bah, I'm going to bed. I'll respond tomorrow, but the short version: your argument is becoming incredibly circular. The only way that my comment can be conceived as buddying is if, as you say, it all pans out the way I expect, with you flipping scum. But this implies you're scum, a fact which you deny. You're having your cake and eating it too.

Tomorrow.

[Bulbazak]

My problem is that some people expect him to flip scum. He won't.

Why do you think he's town?

The only way that my comment can be conceived as buddying is if, as you say, it all pans out the way I expect, with you flipping scum. But this implies you're scum, a fact which you deny. You're having your cake and eating it too.

I'm saying your comments are designed to get on Thor's good side. I haven't mentioned anything about the validity.

[cxinlee]

Not sure bout TSO/bulb. Will reread later.

I don't like the zekrom wagon. I dont like policy lynches in general unless they're on scum.

Also guys, stop pressurising me to get reads/opinions, I scumhunt at my own pace.

[Porkens]

Also guys, stop pressurising me to get reads/opinions, I scumhunt at my own pace.

I'm calling bullshit on this. When, since #181 has anyone further pressured you to get reads/opinions? I'm seriously tempted to switch my vote onto you right now.

[smargaret]

Not sure bout TSO/bulb. Will reread later.

I don't like the zekrom wagon. I dont like policy lynches in general unless they're on scum.

Also guys, stop pressurising me to get reads/opinions, I scumhunt at my own pace.

cxin, no, you scumhunt at a pace that lets town read you. To do otherwise is antitown at best, scummy at worst. Speaking of which, you still haven't answered me - who are your top three scumreads? And how would you know that zek isn't scum, unless you are?

Yiley, we're past 300 votes. Do you have anything to say about the game, or are you just going to bandwagon away? I mean, Zek is pretty anti-town, but it looks more like anti-town than scummy. The join date, for one, and the question about emotional state? That sounds like transitioning from IRL mafia to online mafia. I'd much rather lynch the anti-town player who looks scummy (cxin). Or Bulbazak. Or for that matter, Yiley, for shamelessly sheeping.

Thor, I asked about the lynchbait vs low-hanging fruit because it sounds like you're in favor of a cxin wagon and less so a zek wagon (specifically, the reasonable to lynch lynchbait vs low-hanging fruit isn't alignment indicative).

Porkens, I actually did have a couple of opinions in the post with the questions, specifically that Bulbazak was overly defensive and Zakk was failing to take a position on practically anything, which for the record is scummy, but I want to see more of what he has to say.

Sorry for disappearing; some stupid person decided to stupidly spray stupid perfume on the stupid pool deck (instead of, y'know, in the LOCKER ROOMS THAT WERE LESS THAN 50 YDS AWAY) Monday night and my asthma objected. Vehemently. Protip: If you're going to get taken by ambulance to the er in nothing but a wet swimsuit, don't do it in the middle of February in New England.

[Bulbazak]

I don't like the zekrom wagon. I dont like policy lynches in general unless they're on scum.

But then they wouldn't be policy lynches. And how do you know Zekrom isn't scum?

[Zekrom25]

It can be both a policy lynch and a scum lynch.

It's very clear we need to separate the wheat from the chaf early this game (there is a lot of the latter to get through). Besides that, I think he is likely scum. All in all, I see no reason to dilly-dally aroung for 14 fucking days, giving the scum more and more time to select the optimal night kill.

I can't stand pussyfooting around on day 1. He's scum. He's not helpful. Hammer him.

i thought we were friends

[XScorpion]

Zekrom, you are one vote away from death. Do you have anything useful at all to offer before someone kills you? Or are you going to continue to post useless nonsense?

[Bulbazak]

Zekrom, why are you avoiding answering my question?

[cxinlee]

Zelrom can you tell your role pls.

Also guys, stop pressurising me to get reads/opinions, I scumhunt at my own pace.

I'm calling bullshit on this. When, since #181 has anyone further pressured you to get reads/opinions? I'm seriously tempted to switch my vote onto you right now.

I'm lazy to read. But yeah, I remember people scumreading me for not having opinions/reads/comments, and asking my to have them and I don't like it.

Not sure bout TSO/bulb. Will reread later.

I don't like the zekrom wagon. I dont like policy lynches in general unless they're on scum.

Also guys, stop pressurising me to get reads/opinions, I scumhunt at my own pace.

cxin, no, you scumhunt at a pace that lets town read you. To do otherwise is antitown at best, scummy at worst. Speaking of which, you still haven't answered me - who are your top three scumreads? And how would you know that zek isn't scum, unless you are?

Rushing my scumhunting is reckless and results in inaccuracy of my reads. My top three scum reads: Go pick 3 random people not in my town pool (Which is really just Thor, atm). I don't know if Zekrom is scum or not, but I don't like the wagon on him. I also have a gut he is town.

I don't like the zekrom wagon. I dont like policy lynches in general unless they're on scum.

But then they wouldn't be policy lynches. And how do you know Zekrom isn't scum?

Then change my statement to apply to all policy lynches. Question is answered as above.

[Bulbazak]

What makes you think he's town?

[cxinlee]

I never said I thought he was town.

[Bulbazak]

I never said I thought he was town.

I also have a gut he is town.

Unvote

Vote Cxinlee

[cxinlee]

They don't contradict at all?

[Bulbazak]

I'd love you to explain how you saying that he was a gut townread in one post and then saying you never thought he was town 2 posts later don't contradict.

[cxinlee]

My gut reads town.

Do I think he is town? No.

Makes perfect sense.

[XScorpion]

Do you think he is more likely town or scum?

[Bulbazak]

My gut reads town.

Do I think he is town? No.

Makes perfect sense.

So you're essentially sitting on the fence?

[cxinlee]

Read my iso, I explicitly said I was fencesitting zekrom scum.

[smargaret]

WTF?

Can we get some more cxin votes, please? The gut read thing is bad enough, but the backtracking on the policy lynch thing is pretty scummy too.

[Bulbazak]

So you've essentially gone from gut town to scum in 5 posts?