Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[Nachomamma8]

No?

[Nachomamma8]

Ray, who do you think is scum?

[RayFrost]

I meant "wrong train of thought." I'm kinda loopy right now cuz I've been working all day on shit.

If you're going to say that you don't like something, you shouldn't be hedging your bet with "necessarily" - do you like it or not? Why?

Also, I expect you'll give thoughts on other things one post at a time so I'll leave you to it.

P-edit: I think abott / hana is scum almost completely off of abott's posting, hana was somewhat townish but not enough to override my feelings on the matter of abott / tiershift interactions being so minimalistic especially after tiershift said that he feels scumbuddies should avoid commenting on each other (which I imagine he'd express to abott in their mafia qt and lead to a bit more likely of a lack of interaction from abott).

I also am heavily completely thoroughly against pisskop because I just simply flat out don't see him as scum. I don't give a damn if you think it's white knighting or not. His posting is of a similar level of genuine helpless helpfulness and somewhat out-of-logical-bounds thinking that permeated the game you and I just finished with him.

[bjc]

How about we take pisskop out of Wisdom's proposed plan and substitute Sakura into it? We can start with her, then progress to RF, then Nacho/player three.

[Nachomamma8]

I meant "wrong train of thought." I'm kinda loopy right now cuz I've been working all day on shit.

If you're going to say that you don't like something, you shouldn't be hedging your bet with "necessarily" - do you like it or not? Why?

Also, I expect you'll give thoughts on other things one post at a time so I'll leave you to it.

P-edit: I think abott / hana is scum almost completely off of abott's posting, hana was somewhat townish but not enough to override my feelings on the matter of abott / tiershift interactions being so minimalistic especially after tiershift said that he feels scumbuddies should avoid commenting on each other (which I imagine he'd express to abott in their mafia qt and lead to a bit more likely of a lack of interaction from abott).

I also am heavily completely thoroughly against pisskop because I just simply flat out don't see him as scum. I don't give a damn if you think it's white knighting or not. His posting is of a similar level of genuine helpless helpfulness and somewhat out-of-logical-bounds thinking that permeated the game you and I just finished with him.

I don't like it because you're discrediting Wisdom's ability to read you without really making any real effort to sort the slot. It seems to me that scum usually get more concerned with shitty tunnels on them than town does.

[Wisdom]

How about we take pisskop out of Wisdom's proposed plan and substitute Sakura into it? We can start with her, then progress to RF, then Nacho/player three.

How about no

[RayFrost]

I replied to all the portions of what he said. I just really have a grudge against blind-tunnels from people who are self-aware of their own bias. I mean, at a certain point, there should be somekind of adjustment in how you view things.

But he's not and it bugs me. I still think the slot is town, and I expressed that before I thought but I guess not.

Also, I have to reply to a shitty tunnel if it's getting weight based off of other people being like "yeah sure I guess why not" about it.

[Wisdom]

I'm sorry if you feel bad about it, and I would maybe think it through more if we were in a more critical state like lylo or something, but it's not going to happen when we have 3 lynches available. If you are town and I'm wrong, oh well.

[Nachomamma8]

I replied to all the portions of what he said. I just really have a grudge against blind-tunnels from people who are self-aware of their own bias. I mean, at a certain point, there should be somekind of adjustment in how you view things.

But he's not and it bugs me. I still think the slot is town, and I expressed that before I thought but I guess not.

Also, I have to reply to a shitty tunnel if it's getting weight based off of other people being like "yeah sure I guess why not" about it.

Things tend to happen that way because there's a lot of strong townreads floating around and not a lot of strong scumreads, which more often than not points to good scum. Why do you think Tier was so confident in defending pisskop?

[RayFrost]

I don't know why he'd be so confident in defending pisskop. Maybe because it's easy to say someone's town when other people are saying the same thing already?

I mean, it's not like he was the first person to argue the position (IIRC, I was).

And I'm not saying I don't get why people are expressing a willingness to go along with wisdom. I get it. It's scum lynched day 1 and a lot of people seem town, so it's simple to just lazily go with someone else's suggestion if you don't have anything strong to go off of. Doesn't make it any less tiresome to be on the receiving end of.

[Wisdom]

I don't see you offering any alternative. I at least care about lynching a bunch of people hoping I have the second scum in them. What's your plan for getting the second scum?

[Nachomamma8]

I don't know why he'd be so confident in defending pisskop. Maybe because it's easy to say someone's town when other people are saying the same thing already?

I mean, it's not like he was the first person to argue the position (IIRC, I was).

And I'm not saying I don't get why people are expressing a willingness to go along with wisdom. I get it. It's scum lynched day 1 and a lot of people seem town, so it's simple to just lazily go with someone else's suggestion if you don't have anything strong to go off of. Doesn't make it any less tiresome to be on the receiving end of.

I'm talking about him defending Rob earlier.

[RayFrost]

I don't remember his rob defense, I'll have to take a look at that.

Wisdom, I expressed that I would prefer a sakura lynch and explained why. Two or three times now, I think.

Will get to the whole being super active and actually catching up to where I should be on a day I'm not as dog-tired.

[pisskop]

Wisedom wont present a case, so of course he must be right?

Lynch the Hana. because Abbott.

[Wisdom]

Wisedom wont present a case, so of course he must be right?

Your point being? I never make cases.

[Wisdom]

And we're not going to lynch Sakura, no matter what you do. We're lynching RayFrost and you.

[Wisdom]

but the way tier interacted around abott and abott's play in general (given the shifty lynch) reads as scumtelly to me, sooooooooo yeah.

This is the only "explanation" you've given for why Sakura is scum.

Show me what was scummy about AboTT's play and the interactions with Tier that make you think they are buddies.

[pisskop]

abbott had NO interaction with tier.
abbotts case on nacho was built around an OMGUS I never saw nacho make.
Abbott's posts were full of fluff that was fairly feelgood.

Even your predecessor saw Hanas slot as scum.

[Wisdom]

RayFrost is claiming he did. So I want him to show me.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm down for RayFrost lynch actually.

Vote: RayFrost

[Wisdom]

abbott had NO interaction with tier.
abbotts case on nacho was built around an OMGUS I never saw nacho make.
Abbott's posts were full of fluff that was fairly feelgood.

None of these are even remotely scumtells, btw.

[Wisdom]

I'm down for RayFrost lynch actually.

Vote: RayFrost

Are you feeling better about pisskop?

[pisskop]

No, im sure the first is in a nine person game.
and the second is situational.

gah,

[Wisdom]

No, it isn't. Why do you assume that scum will have no interactions? I always have plenty of interactions with my scumbuddies.

[pisskop]

It raises flags on the best of days. scum dont have to ignore each others but they have and do. youre suggesting town abbott ignored scum tier, which raises my eyebrow at abbott. And to boot hana's interactions with tier are fluffy.

But fine, ill lookit rays earlier interactions while im at abbotts.