Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[Wisdom]

Yup, I don't. That's why I've read you correctly in like 12 games.

[Nachomamma8]

do you think, that if I was scum in this specific situation, that I would start playing this game and interacting with you and attempt to change your read on me in twilight? or would I shut the fuck up and kill you?

[Nachomamma8]

Yup, I don't. That's why I've read you correctly in like 12 games.

Welcome to a misread. It seems to be a common trend lately.

[Wisdom]

wisdom what do you think I am currently doing

Trying to defend yourself and discredit me.
Your intention isn't to try and help me understand why you aren't scum. You are focusing on technicalities and on how to better twist what I am saying so that my arguments aren't strong enough to convince the others.

[RayFrost]

Nacho is probably town.

Wisdom seems scummier out of this.

Pisskop is just... pisskop. Hopefully he'll learn that hammers are not good things and that listening to wisdom is not wise.

[Wisdom]

Listening to Wisdom is always wise. Towns lose when they don't, as proven by lots of games.

[fferyllt]

Wisdom, you really need to have an answer to this:

do you think, that if I was scum in this specific situation, that I would start playing this game and interacting with you and attempt to change your read on me in twilight? or would I shut the fuck up and kill you?

[pisskop]

Its rather perturbing that these two games will ruin my reputation.

But, Killing you seems to have been a plus, Ray.

I still like Wisdom/hana lynches.

[Nachomamma8]

wisdom what do you think I am currently doing

Trying to defend yourself and discredit me.
Your intention isn't to try and help me understand why you aren't scum. You are focusing on technicalities and on how to better twist what I am saying so that my arguments aren't strong enough to convince the others.

What technicalities am I focusing on?

The difference between me being fine with a lynch and me having a strong suspect and wanting to lynch one is a big, big difference. When I say, "hey let's lynch this player", I don't mean "let's make him dead now": if I mean the latter, I make it ridiculously clear. A lot of my scumhunting is reactive, which is why I push so hard: push hard, get a reaction, analyze the reaction. Quick hammering robs me of the ability to analyze the reaction. If you don't understand this about me, then you don't understand a good portion of my town play.

Is it the "I actually wasn't confident about Ray scum" technicality? Because if that's the case, then it's not a technicality and actually sort of important, considering you said that I only be focusing on finding other scum in the unlikely event Ray isn't scum, which sort of implies I have confidence in the lynch, doesn't it?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, you really need to have an answer to this:

do you think, that if I was scum in this specific situation, that I would start playing this game and interacting with you and attempt to change your read on me in twilight? or would I shut the fuck up and kill you?

Simple answer: he's going to kill you instead of me, since you are considered far more town, while there are people who still find me scummy for whatever reason.

[fferyllt]

Its rather perturbing that these two games will ruin my reputation.

But, Killing you seems to have been a plus, Ray.

I still like Wisdom/hana lynches.

What does this mean?

[Wisdom]

Not to mention, interacting with me is also useful in getting the rest of the town townread him. Which appears to be working too.

[pisskop]

Ohh, a comment to a finished game.

[pisskop]

And only applicable to a rather small circle of ppl, anywho.

[fferyllt]

Ohh, a comment to a finished game.

That doesn't answer my question.

[bjc]

The only reputation I gather is the reputation of posting gibberish that's rather hard to decipher.

[Nachomamma8]

Do you remember my toniest moment in Olympian, namely when I got really indignant about Mala-town and sent you into a fervor? Do you know why I was able to be as snarky and passionate about defending her there as I was here? Because you were wrong and I knew you were wrong and I thought your reasons sucked. Do you see how I'm behaving exactly the same way right now? Do you know why? Because you are wrong, I know you are wrong, and your reasons suck.

[Nachomamma8]

Its rather perturbing that these two games will ruin my reputation.

But, Killing you seems to have been a plus, Ray.

I still like Wisdom/hana lynches.

You are a very solid player. You need to curb a small bit of your erratic tendencies so that you don't take majority decisions into your own hands without allowing the majority to weigh in. Stop quick hammering.

[Nachomamma8]

Not to mention, interacting with me is also useful in getting the rest of the town townread him. Which appears to be working too.

It was useful in getting Ray to townread me. Unfortunately, he's dead and there's no reason for me to manipulate him as scum.

Ffery has an implied leaning townread of me, but according to you she's dying so it also seems dumb to manipulate her.

But maybe I have underestimated the benefits of having a dead QT that's on your side?

[Wisdom]

pisskop and bjc also posted and clearly disagreed with me, so

[fferyllt]

Wisdom, you really need to have an answer to this:

do you think, that if I was scum in this specific situation, that I would start playing this game and interacting with you and attempt to change your read on me in twilight? or would I shut the fuck up and kill you?

Simple answer: he's going to kill you instead of me, since you are considered far more town, while there are people who still find me scummy for whatever reason.

Your simple answer hasn't applied to scum-nacho/town-me since I dunno...May 2013, probably.

[Nachomamma8]

Pisskop thought I was town before this exchange.
Bjc and I agreed on pisskop lynch earlier.

[Wisdom]

The only reason you are being this snarky and sarcastic in treating my posts is because your intention is to get other people think I'm a tunneling idiot so that they don't listen to me.

pedit: It doesn't matter. You need to convince them further because I'm obviously going to try and get them to agree with me.

[Nachomamma8]

Wisdom, do you see the theme in these arguments you're making?

[Wisdom]

Yup! They all explain how you are scum!

Side note: ika is awesome as town. He pegged both of you so nicely.