Marvel Avengers Alliance - Game over

[Bulbazak]

Bulbazak's Hierarchy of Reads (D2)

Town

Thor665
XScorpion
Smudger

Null/Town

Smargaret
Yates

Null

Yiley
Zakk

Null/Scum

BROseidon

Scum

TSO
Cxinlee

Vote Cxinlee

[Bulbazak]

Then again, my read on Zekrom was off, so yeah.

Speaking of which, you never told us why you thought he was town in the first place.

I think both cxin and Bulba are scummy.

I guess Bulba looks better in light of the Zekrom flip.

Where did this reversal come from in the space of 1 post?

I guess Bulba looks better in light of the Zekrom flip.

But worse in light of the porkens flip.

First, NKs are a mess of WIFOM, especially when you don't have enough to establish a pattern. Second, if my purpose as scum was to kill those who suspect me, explain why I would kill Porkens, who I felt I could lynch, over Thor, who was seen as univeral town and would never get lynched?

[XScorpion]

I don't think Thor suspected you as much as Porkens did. But yes, I agree NKs are a mess of WIFOM, which is why we can sort that nonsense out later and lynch Zakk today.

[Bulbazak]

Again, the question is: Why would I kill someone who I felt i could get lynched, instead of just killing the person who would never get lynched?

[XScorpion]

Let's not speculate on night kills, hmm? I expected Thor or myself to die and we didn't so I'm not sure what to think.

[Bulbazak]

But you did speculate on night kills. Now I'm asking you to explain your reasoning. Don't duck out on me now.

[XScorpion]

I already told you; Porkens suspected you more than Thor did. Now can we talk about something more productive? Such as who you think bussed zekrom?

[Bulbazak]

I'd say either Yiley or BROseidon. I'm leaning Bro myself.

[XScorpion]

I think the opposite giving the timing of the votes. Why bro?

[Bulbazak]

Why bro?

Guys why hasn't Zekrom claimed yet, he's at L-1 and has been for a while.

Hey guys, Zekrom's been at L-1 for like 5 pages and hasn't claimed.

We should hammer it if he doesn't claim in his next post.

I felt he was trying to rush the vote through and cut conversation short, which is what I'd do if I had a buddy going down and was afraid he'd give things away.

[Thor665]

Again, the question is: Why would I kill someone who I felt i could get lynched, instead of just killing the person who would never get lynched?

By that logic, why would scum ever kill Porkens prior to me regardless?

I felt he was trying to rush the vote through and cut conversation short, which is what I'd do if I had a buddy going down and was afraid he'd give things away.

Yeah, but that feels *better* to me than what Yiley did. I agree that BRO felt like he was trying it push it through...but that vibes townish to me for the same reasons you seem to be getting scummy vibes.

[cxinlee]

I would like to say I do not appreciate your vote on me bulba, What's your case on me again?

Smagaret's push on me was townish, even though I disagree about it

Not so sure about zakk scum he's only made 2 posts (none of which were scummy imo). Plus, at that stage. it looked like zkrom was going to get lynched very soon, the optimal thing to do as scum would be to bus, not defend his parter.

[Thor665]

So who do you think is the scum?

[BROseidon]

Vote: Zakk

Shamelessly sheeping Thor.

[Thor665]

I'm...kinda sheeping Scorpion, y'know.

[BROseidon]

I trust your judgment here.

[Bulbazak]

Again, the question is: Why would I kill someone who I felt i could get lynched, instead of just killing the person who would never get lynched?

By that logic, why would scum ever kill Porkens prior to me regardless?

No clue. That's why I'm asking Scorp, since he was insinuating that the Porkens kill pointed at me being scum, although he backpedaled once I asked him about it.

I would like to say I do not appreciate your vote on me bulba, What's your case on me again?

Besides you fencesitting, you called Zekrom a town read, yet when I asked you about that, you said "I never called him town.". It looks like you were afraid of being associated with him. I also don't like how you're essentially trying to shame me for voting for you.

Smagaret's push on me was townish, even though I disagree about it

Why is her push townish, but mine not, even though they're the same push?

Not so sure about zakk scum he's only made 2 posts (none of which were scummy imo).

Is this the part where you defend someone while still trying not to take sides again?

Plus, at that stage. it looked like zkrom was going to get lynched very soon, the optimal thing to do as scum would be to bus, not defend his parter.

Depends on what scum's motivation was. If they realized Zekrom was a sinking ship, absolutely they would bus. However, if their priority was to protect a PR, I could see them trying to derail the lynch.

[smargaret]

Who the heck thought that the mod wasn't going to reveal flips?!?

Yiley moved up a lot in my scum rankings. The whole prolonged intent to hammer thing - that's scum bussing, in my book. And as we now have some flips AND have more than 300 posts, his first post today had better have some content.

cxin is still scum, for reasons previously stated.

VOTE: cxin

[Smudger]

Scorpion and Thor have both mentioned why Porkens died and not them in the opening discussions today. Well call me Mister Obvious from Obviousville, there is one very obvious reason as to why. If one or both of you are scum then there is a very good reason you are still alive. That also ties into the discussion regarding a possible bus action on Zek. I note the statement that anyone protecting a PR on the scum team would have defended the slot more. Not in this case, any scum team with an experienced player in it would have dropped Zek quickly and played it close to get to wincon.

The question on the Mods message on role reveals. Ok it could well be newbscum, but I think it could also possibly been in response to Zek. Think about it, nothing appeared in thread and had the complaint come to the Mod by PM it would have been answered by PM. If it had been newbscum then the only place that could then have appeared was in their QT. why then would the Mod not answer that question in the QT? It is also about a dead player, no I think it is Zek that is aimed at in all probability.

When I began writing this I was going to finish with the observation that as it was Scorpion and Thor who had made the comment on why Porkens, I would not have paid it more than a passing mention, but now I am not sure. There is now a high amount of suspicion towards both that was not there at the end of yesterday. I am going to reserve my vote for now as I need to read through this all when I am at a PC.

[T S O]

Then again, my read on Zekrom was off, so yeah.

Speaking of which, you never told us why you thought he was town in the first place.

I think both cxin and Bulba are scummy.

I guess Bulba looks better in light of the Zekrom flip.

Where did this reversal come from in the space of 1 post?

I guess Bulba looks better in light of the Zekrom flip.

But worse in light of the porkens flip.

First, NKs are a mess of WIFOM, especially when you don't have enough to establish a pattern. Second, if my purpose as scum was to kill those who suspect me, explain why I would kill Porkens, who I felt I could lynch, over Thor, who was seen as univeral town and would never get lynched?

I've said before I'm not a fan of necromancy, but I'll answer the Zekrom read.

The change in your read is called me thinking about the game.

[Yiley]

I'm not a fan of this zakk wagon at all. We should wait for a replacement before trying to lynch that slot. I have no idea how he hasn't been on since the 8th and stuff and is still in this game. That is 9 days he hasn't been on.

[Thor665]

I'm not a fan of this zakk wagon at all. We should wait for a replacement before trying to lynch that slot. I have no idea how he hasn't been on since the 8th and stuff and is still in this game. That is 9 days he hasn't been on.

What do you think of the Porkens nightkill and the wagon composition on Zek?

@Smudger - oh gawds...

[XScorpion]

@Smudger - oh gawds...

I'm just going to take it as a compliment. An undeserved compliment (since I consider myself a terrible scum player; I've only finished 1 scum game since I got back to the site and it was a loss), but a compliment nonetheless.

[Thor665]

You'll get over it real fast when people start making (and getting sheep) on cases of 'Well, XScorp is alive and has looked town...we should probably lynch him, because he must be scum"
Trust me, it gets old *real* quick.

[XScorpion]

I've never had that happen; maybe I play too many Micros?