Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[notscience]

What's the SK miller called?

Have we already MC'd?

[ActionDan]

Everyone mc'd. No millers of any sort

[Saki]

omg notsci
</3

jk

/wrists

Sideways for attention
Down straight for result

[Jaqen Hghar]

IC rolecopped him - got SK

A man is less than confident about those results as noted previously. The amount of frustration from bubba causes more doubt.

You copped him.

Why are you doubting it, unless you just flatout lied about it.

A man sees how roles can be messed with this game. It would be oh so clever to give a man a gift so he could let know someone was guilty, only to have had those results somehow manipulated. A man takes such a gift with a grain of salt.

So the Kise is scum inventor giving out flawed gifts?

That's actually a possibility.

Or another redirector or other things.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man would think that if giving out flawed gifts were a thing, DisCode would be on Bulba's wagon. Which he isn't.

[ActionDan]

Discode hasn't checked in has he? I think it would be pretty next level play for a scum redirector to target you. I'd also find it strange since we have a claimed redirector already (unless he's scum which I doubt)

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm here. Looking to see what Pie wanted. Also, if you got a "serial killer" result and the mod put in an ability to let groupscum make you get that result, the game is utterly bastard and shuld have been advertised as such.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Discode hasn't checked in has he?

I believe discode siteflaked, so we'll be waiting on a replacement.

[ActionDan]

I don't really.consider framers/varients bastard. They're within the realm of possibilities

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I don't really.consider framers/varients bastard. They're within the realm of possibilities

A framer that gives a result of "serial killer"?

[ActionDan]

oh well I suppose not that direct. that'd be a stretch

[Sakura Hana]

I've been looking at the flips again and why the heck did MC die over the doctor?

[notscience]

is Mac the most active person ever?

[Yukari Yakumo]

Discode hasn't checked in has he?

I believe discode siteflaked, so we'll be waiting on a replacement.

Well said.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Also what is the significance between a mid or end of the day wagon versus an early day wagon?

~GC

It seems you didn't really want this question answered since you never followed up on it, even when I mentioned earlier I would be getting to it. That's highly inconsistent with the Towny Hawk I know. It depends on the specific wagon.

A counter wagon to one which is an attempt at a flash wagon with no discussion, based on one person's interpretation of a just flipped Cop's previous day actions is good because it then makes people think things through before just derpvoting. A flash wagon also has a high likelihood of being scum driven.

A wagon which has been hard fought to slowly build throughout the day with good discussion and where most if not all the people on that wagon have had ample opportunity to use their own judgement before casting their vote is generally a worthwhile lynch to carry through on, if for no other reason than to reflect back on that discussion to map out connections. When a counter springs up to this kind of wagon, it's anti town at best because it renders a day's worth of communication essentially moot because anything which could have been gained from the lynch is lost if the counter goes through. A late counter wagon is especially detrimental because there's no time for logical thought and thorough evaluation; these are almost always scum driven.

[Yukari Yakumo]

MafiaSSK replaces DisCode.

[MafiaSSK]

Hi guys. I'm not reading 184 pages. So whoever gives me a summary of the game gets a free steak sauce covered cookie.

[Jaqen Hghar]

That's pretty funny. I'm glad you're wary about that. Maf doesnt want to risk killing me so ta-da they do this to me.

heh. when i read jaqen's claim i considered the possibility it was a gambit reaction test but not after this response and not after recent reactions.

but whatever, i'll go over the quotes you brought up anyway:

Spoiler:

Hey muffin. Is saki still scum?

read my posts - i've already gone over my thoughts on saki today. short answer: yes

IdiotChild

why are you whining about libel and calling people idiots?

Dram flips town. This confirms him as a counter to you.

no, it really doesn't. do you know what the term counter-wagon means? in order for something to legitimately be a counter-wagon it needs to be (a) pushed by scum - and you're suggesting the only scum on the wagon was AD who hammered when it was approaching the deadline and the only alternative wagon was GCBC and dram woulda been plurality lynched anyway sooooooooooo what's your point here? and (b) it has to be a wagon started in response to a different wagon, and while my wagon had people on it, GCBC's was at L-2 at the time the dram wagon started and dram's was even with GCBC's once the dram wagon took off, so if it was a counter-wagon to anything, it was a counter-wagon to GCBC.

and if you want to keep saying that dram was a counter-wagon to me, you're going to have to talk about why these two points are wrong or shut up about it

Even with a "No-visit" result

the result on N1 didn't mean much to me when scum had a ninja and there are a number of passive scum roles that could have gone nowhere - it was a minor reason to look elsewhere for the time being (and i was looking elsewhere) but it was by no means evidence he's town

C'MON PIE YOU KNOW IT'S ROLEBLOCKED AND A RESULT CHANGER. MUFFIN TRIES TO COME UP WITH SOME BULLSHIT ABOUT A LATE PM TO SAY DONT WORRY ABOUT IT AND THEN YOU GET NO RESULT.

um, firstly, what i said about gif giving me my PM late wasn't a lie - i'll ask gif if he'll confirm that i did indeed receive my PM late N2 if it makes any difference

and secondly, what would i gain by making that up? like how would making that up help me in any way? like if i did know that pieguy was roleblocked or whatever, what purpose would it serve to lie about a late PM?


the rest of the quotes you brought up don't really have any substance to them

The Wolf knows a man too well. A gift received as the night makes way for day can't be used until the next. So, since a Wolf has such keen senses, what of his reactions make you tingle? A man could easily see bubba as SK as something doesn't set just so with him. While something surely smells, a man hasn't been able to quite lay his finger on it. So, whatcha got?

Pedit GCBC is scum. Kill it.

[notscience]

Hi guys. I'm not reading 184 pages. So whoever gives me a summary of the game gets a free steak sauce covered cookie.

This Jaqen guy is waynegg thinking he's funny so we're all ignoring him

I'm town

Hannah's town

Bubba's got an SK guilty on him

Bout it

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I also skimmed some early stuff and I've decided I'm ignoring the IC if that's good with everyone. k? k

And when I think you can't amaze me... you do it again.

~GC

[Sakura Hana]

Hi guys. I'm not reading 184 pages. So whoever gives me a summary of the game gets a free steak sauce covered cookie.

I'm town, pie is claimed mason with mason partner ded, bubba got SK guilty on him, jaquen is innocent child but his reads sux.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Seriously though if you got an sk result from the use of your gift, it's much more likely you got the sk than a defective gift. Or at least the guilty should be lynched first because 95 percent of the time he'll really be guilty

Kinda like how when there is a pretty freaking good chance the flipped cop heavily crumbed a guilty we should probably think about lynching said guilty right?

It seems you didn't really want this question answered since you never followed up on it, even when I mentioned earlier I would be getting to it.

Actually no, I just figured that to you I had this big sign over my face that says scum with a red X over it that whenever I talk it goes "blah blah blippidy blah"

Don't play dumb with me and act like you actually care what I say Jaqen. Your other face was much more reasonable, call him back please? Isn't it his day?

~GC

[bubbajack8]

I got no result

p-ed: KAGAMI T_T

C'MON PIE YOU KNOW IT'S ROLEBLOCKED AND A RESULT CHANGER. MUFFIN TRIES TO COME UP WITH SOME BULLSHIT ABOUT A LATE PM TO SAY DONT WORRY ABOUT IT AND THEN YOU GET NO RESULT.

what kind of result changer would make him get SK?

and why do you think they'd target an IC who's supposed to have no action?

Perhaps they gave him the result then.

In my mind I am decapitating bulba with a baseball bat. How long can you scream about your shitty conspiracy theory

The name's BUBBA. And quit with the libel.

Pie. I'm not caught. I've figured this fucking game out and no one is listening.

Fuck this. VOTE: bubba

When I flip town follow what I've said. I'm fucking right.

You're about as wrong as could be and deserve all the libel.

HA!

Hey muffin. Is saki still scum?

read my posts - i've already gone over my thoughts on saki today. short answer: yes

I have. I didn't see much Saki. Mostly GCBC and dram despite your "result."

IdiotChild

why are you whining about libel and calling people idiots?

How many times were you dropped on your head is libel. Calling someone an idiot is not.

Dram flips town. This confirms him as a counter to you.

no, it really doesn't. do you know what the term counter-wagon means? in order for something to legitimately be a counter-wagon it needs to be (a) pushed by scum - and you're suggesting the only scum on the wagon was AD who hammered when it was approaching the deadline and the only alternative wagon was GCBC and dram woulda been plurality lynched anyway sooooooooooo what's your point here? and (b) it has to be a wagon started in response to a different wagon, and while my wagon had people on it, GCBC's was at L-2 at the time the dram wagon started and dram's was even with GCBC's once the dram wagon took off, so if it was a counter-wagon to anything, it was a counter-wagon to GCBC.

and if you want to keep saying that dram was a counter-wagon to me, you're going to have to talk about why these two points are wrong or shut up about it

A: Already explained. AD wanted GCBC more. He compromised.
B: They were both. Muffin --> GCBC (doesn't work out compromise ---> dram.

Even with a "No-visit" result

the result on N1 didn't mean much to me when scum had a ninja and there are a number of passive scum roles that could have gone nowhere - it was a minor reason to look elsewhere for the time being (and i was looking elsewhere) but it was by no means evidence he's town

Allllright.

C'MON PIE YOU KNOW IT'S ROLEBLOCKED AND A RESULT CHANGER. MUFFIN TRIES TO COME UP WITH SOME BULLSHIT ABOUT A LATE PM TO SAY DONT WORRY ABOUT IT AND THEN YOU GET NO RESULT.

um, firstly, what i said about gif giving me my PM late wasn't a lie - i'll ask gif if he'll confirm that i did indeed receive my PM late N2 if it makes any difference

Do it. I dare you.

and secondly, what would i gain by making that up? like how would making that up help me in any way? like if i did know that pieguy was roleblocked or whatever, what purpose would it serve to lie about a late PM?

To make pie drop it.

the rest of the quotes you brought up don't really have any substance to them

A.K.A I don't want to acknowledge that I try to self inno myself.

Bubba, whats your theory on why Jaqen got a SK result from investigating you?

~GC

Explained in this post.

notscience replaces Mac.

NOT SCIENCE! <3

IC rolecopped him - got SK

A man is less than confident about those results as noted previously. The amount of frustration from bubba causes more doubt.

I take everything I ever said about you being an idiot back.

mm, but what i don't get about the frustration is this

there's 2 flipped scum - bubba is screaming that he's "solved" the game by calling AD and i scum - that would imply he either thinks the setup is 17:4 or he's (for lack of a better term) flailing here <-

i also think this is possibly a SK slip

News Flash: Someone in this game said "Bubba flails as town and I haven't seen him flail yet so I'm gonna vote him" I think it was Sakura. I flail. Alignment regardless. GTFO it.

That's pretty funny. I'm glad you're wary about that. Maf doesnt want to risk killing me so ta-da they do this to me

what would mafia do to him that would make you get a SK result? and why, with a rolecop dead, would they do whatever it is they did to him on the off chance you'd target him?

Me get an SK result? You mean him. Already explained. Maf gave it to him I don't know. I target him? I'm a bomb. Mafia is wary of me arming myself. Mafia know that the one time they try to kill me, I'll blow up. They don't want to risk an autolose by fucking killing me. So they send a fake result to Jaqen. I get lynched, they live on. Ta-da!

[zMuffinMan]

While something surely smells, a man hasn't been able to quite lay his finger on it. So, whatcha got?

if you did that to me, i would have automatically assumed gambit, or reaction test, or something of the sort if i weren't SK. instead, bubba's putting forth a theory that scum framed him as SK by manipulating your "result" somehow. how scum would manipulate your result so that you'd get a SK result he doesn't seem to have an answer to (it's very specific and would probably require whoever gave you the rolecop to be scum too, and he's ignoring this logic), but i think it's telling that rather than assume reaction test he went to suggesting he was framed.

i also think that him saying he solved the game by calling AD and i scum could legitimately be a slip; he's not taking into account the other killing role that obviously exists in the game - he thinks he's "solved" it by calling out factional scum alone

[zMuffinMan]

Mafia know that the one time they try to kill me, I'll blow up

uh huh

you previously claimed it was an active ability that lasted a single night

this looks like you're now claiming to be a full bomb