Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[Sakura Hana]

Wisdom-Derp.

At least this proves that you can't read me worth anything and people shouldn't listen to your read on me ever.

[Wisdom]

That's what I was telling you when I was fakeclaiming doc

[Sakura Hana]

That's what I was telling you when I was fakeclaiming doc

I know, doesn't change the fact that you've misread me on multiple games before and you're doing it again!

[Sakura Hana]

However pray tell then what have I done this game that is making you want me dead, since all I've seen is because I said you had a head here when you were tunneling and I didn't see you as tunneling back then.

[Sakura Hana]

And now everyone dissapears =/

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 3.03

Nachomamma8 (L-2):

pisskop

pisskop (L-1):

Nachomamma9 | Sakura Hana

Sakura Hana (L-2):

Wisdom

Not Voting:

fferyllt

With 5 alive, 3 votes to lynch.

The deadline is March 3, 4:45 PM EST.
Countdown: (expired on 2014-03-03 16:45:00)

[fferyllt]

Nacho when you catch up, we need to talk.

[fferyllt]

Consider my vote to be virtually on Sakura, but I'm not putting her at L-1 right now. No matter what his alignment, I think pisskop would hammer since he's already at L-1.

[pisskop]

Maybe I wouldn't on hana. I promise.

[pisskop]

Besides, if she flips town Id prefer to have a lylo plan in place.

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: Sakura

Sigh... just finish me off im tired of you guys not believing me.

[pisskop]

Not the time for you to do this.

[fferyllt]

Sakura why is pisskop scum?

[Sakura Hana]

We're never going to reach a majority on anyone unless kop self votes or I self vote anyway =/

PEd. I already said before I'm having issues between pisskop scum and Nacho scum. like 2 or so pages ago.

[fferyllt]

I know that, but I really don't understand the basis for either.

[Sakura Hana]

The thing is... i'm not really sure anymore, I remember not liking his play on D1 and that's about it... D3 has make me doubt myself.
As for Nacho it's mostly gut, or at least i don't know it's just a feeling i have.

[pisskop]

Initially I did not like the Nacho/Tier interactions. Buss-Buss for a 'irrelevant but in-depth' convo to get the creds.

Spoiler:

Thanks for the link!
I'm probably not going to read it; just be obviously town and we will get along just fine.

He did that last game and coasted to a win as scum

Early game reads:
emerald town: is putting himself much more in the spotlights than he did in his scumgame+feels genuine.
Ika town: really trying to hunt but well...uh walling is not necessary. Great to see someone try, though.

Not seeing much scummy intent anywhere yet but I might reread some more.

VOTE: nacho
Get out of spectator mode.

Bus.

Hey, nacho. Good to have you in here. I agree that there maybe is a slight hint of fencesitting in abbott's play, but it's way too early to do your famous cases and get all these newbies to believe you have found scum already. They see you a a god, yaknow

Ika, agreed, bjc's willingness to sheep is quite bothersome.

Bjc, why do you sheep so much?

Is the idea that he was trying to pretend like he was a PR?

Why would a PR use "JK" as a breadcrumb?

seek reactions? see if anyone reads inbeween the lines. really you have to ask the person themself.

well after all that i feel like nacho will give us the most information.

VOTE: nacho

his slotting most ppl as town for his reasoning are plausable but some of his post are just out there and seem off. His reads give indication that he knows that they are town and he is doing it to try to keep distance. He also has not given us anything on timeshift as if hes tring to distance himself from him while giveing reads about everyone else atm.

my decision is 99.9% final on nacho/timshift.

timesift also seems to have the same type of posting where he says ray is "misguided town" and tbh i belive it, but if thats the case, how would he exactly know or be so accraute about something like that?

im willing to go at these 2 atm.

Very big lol at the bolded
I never said ray is misguided town?
Your case on both me and nacho makes no sense. Explain further please.

??? ika, I must apologize.

Something I need to point out to the new players: people defending other people does

not

mean they are scumbuddies. Scumbuddies mostly avoid each other as to not draw attention to them.

I don't really understand all the scumreads ika has been getting. I might say I'm annoyed by his posting but it does feel genuine.

I don't particularly like LMB's entrance, just restating the case that emerald did before. Do give that buttload of evidence, though.

Im reading this post and this is one of those post that rubs me wrong after reading others and responses, Especialy the sencond part about me. It almost feels like you are trying to fencesit here. The last sentance really rubs me wrong if he is jk or think that his breadcumb for fk is not good. I personally disliked it as well due tot he fact on how stuble it was and how he expected everyone to see it. But i see where hes was coming from now.

I didn't think his entrance, the JK crumb, was particularly alignment indicative and I don't understand why nacho and abbott do. I was talking about his 193, which was uninspired and echoing what emerald said before.
And I don't believe I'm fencesitting about you, I have said that I think you are town and that I don't understand the scumreads. Is that fencesitting to you?

Hardcore defending at the start of day 1 usually means they are not scumbuddies, though.

Really? how so? can you elaborate on that?

Scumbuddies want to avoid attracting attention to them being a scumteam. Plus, if it is obvious that the defending is not genuine, then upon a flip of one player, the other one will be heavily suspected as scum.

I pretty thoroughly explained the JK point. Why do you disagree?

Finally, why LMB's breadcrumb is town:

As town, this whole scenario is dropping a fake crumb and then creating a fake reaction test off this fake crumb and then attacking a fake experienced off this fake crumb and off this fake reaction test is all for towncred. There's no way he could expect the lynch to go through on RayFrost considering having no real reason to call him scum over others, and I doubt he took the time to plan this out as town considering its a lot of effort for not a lot of gain and a fucking crazy thing to think of. I think as town he may have crumbed, and held onto it for later so that he could bolster a JK claim later; I don't think that new town would plan out a gambit this elaborate for towncred and nothing but towncred right out of the gate.

Hey, look, I replaces every scum with town and it still works (except for the scum crumb part, but hey, that part is just hypothetical)! I don't get the rayfrost part rhat is in there, though. What I want to say, I don't really get the argument as to why it is necessarily from town.

Unvote, Vote: RobinWilliams

I am clearly never going to get support for the ika lynch because everyone just sees it as his ~playstyle~ (I really really

really

hate how much my games have been "rayfrost made a good case but it's untrue because it's ~playstyle~" lately).

And I am willing to vote here for [Reasons].

I very rarely use meta and meta alone to shut a read down completely, but when meta is extremely definitive, I go with it. I also find that his latest posts sound extremely genuine and don't really care how much he's contradicting himself as a result.

'Meta' just like that isn't an argument. You can't just say 'I disagree because meta'. Explain it and give examples and tell me what's different between ray's town and scum game and gimme links and shit.

After I like it a little more. And theres more I just don't bother with.

Spoiler:

Something I need to point out to the new players: people defending other people does

not

mean they are scumbuddies. Scumbuddies mostly avoid each other as to not draw attention to them.

I don't really understand all the scumreads ika has been getting. I might say I'm annoyed by his posting but it does feel genuine.

I don't particularly like LMB's entrance, just restating the case that emerald did before. Do give that buttload of evidence, though.

Im reading this post and this is one of those post that rubs me wrong after reading others and responses, Especialy the sencond part about me. It almost feels like you are trying to fencesit here. The last sentance really rubs me wrong if he is jk or think that his breadcumb for fk is not good. I personally disliked it as well due tot he fact on how stuble it was and how he expected everyone to see it. But i see where hes was coming from now.

I didn't think his entrance, the JK crumb, was particularly alignment indicative and I don't understand why nacho and abbott do. I was talking about his 193, which was uninspired and echoing what emerald said before.
And I don't believe I'm fencesitting about you, I have said that I think you are town and that I don't understand the scumreads. Is that fencesitting to you?

Hardcore defending at the start of day 1 usually means they are not scumbuddies, though.

Really? how so? can you elaborate on that?

Scumbuddies want to avoid attracting attention to them being a scumteam. Plus, if it is obvious that the defending is not genuine, then upon a flip of one player, the other one will be heavily suspected as scum.

I pretty thoroughly explained the JK point. Why do you disagree?

Finally, why LMB's breadcrumb is town:

As town, this whole scenario is dropping a fake crumb and then creating a fake reaction test off this fake crumb and then attacking a fake experienced off this fake crumb and off this fake reaction test is all for towncred. There's no way he could expect the lynch to go through on RayFrost considering having no real reason to call him scum over others, and I doubt he took the time to plan this out as town considering its a lot of effort for not a lot of gain and a fucking crazy thing to think of. I think as town he may have crumbed, and held onto it for later so that he could bolster a JK claim later; I don't think that new town would plan out a gambit this elaborate for towncred and nothing but towncred right out of the gate.

Hey, look, I replaces every scum with town and it still works (except for the scum crumb part, but hey, that part is just hypothetical)! I don't get the rayfrost part rhat is in there, though. What I want to say, I don't really get the argument as to why it is necessarily from town.

Unvote, Vote: RobinWilliams

I am clearly never going to get support for the ika lynch because everyone just sees it as his ~playstyle~ (I really really

really

hate how much my games have been "rayfrost made a good case but it's untrue because it's ~playstyle~" lately).

And I am willing to vote here for [Reasons].

I very rarely use meta and meta alone to shut a read down completely, but when meta is extremely definitive, I go with it. I also find that his latest posts sound extremely genuine and don't really care how much he's contradicting himself as a result.

'Meta' just like that isn't an argument. You can't just say 'I disagree because meta'. Explain it and give examples and tell me what's different between ray's town and scum game and gimme links and shit.

Not as sure as I was a day or so ago, all in all.

[pisskop]

Ill get to hana/wisdom in a bit, but class.

[pisskop]

Spoiler:

Well I will admit my vote on Nacho was weak to some extent. It was mostly to make a wagon. Same crap I've done all game (try to spark discussion). If I didn't do that, I don't think ika would have put you at L-1 unless others voted, and who knows if you would've supplied more information. Hmmm...

I will also

unvote; vote: Abott

J

ust sudden mood changed, why did you give up on nacho and suddenly follow the wagon?

K

ay, it looks like you're looking for a quick-lynch.

VOTE: bcj

Spells out JK, come on frost, you should of seen this reaction test.

Also notice how ika puts bcj at null even though bcj has a shitload of content.

Alright.

Bcj-scum
Ika-leaning scum
Abbott-leaning scum
Rayfrost-leaning town
Nacho-leaning town

Rest is null, need to read more.

lmb Hopped on the bjc wagon pretty quick.
But NO contact with Tier. No real contact outside of some ika/bjc quoting, tbh.
With the quotes above he seems independent to me.

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Spoiler:

Okay, somebody is going to have to actually substantiate the case against Tier or link me to something, because I'm just not seeing it. The closest I've gotten is emerald's case, a player that isn't even voting Tier. (You never answered my question by the way; why were you voting pisskop and not Tier given your case on the latter?)

And while emerald's case is decent, it isn't enough to cancel out the minor townread I have on Tier. I'd much prefer a bcj lynch, but I get that's not happening, and will make do for a Sakura lynch. A pisskop lynch is the worst of the options and the only reason I'd ever vote for him is deadline.

I also think it would be GREAT if bcj would actually answer the questions I asked him a few pages ago.

But for the record if we get up to deadline and ffery hasn't hammered, I'd be happy to. A somewhat controversial townread being lynched is better than no lynch at all. So Tier should probably claim soon; if ffery isn't content with Tier doing it right now, it should still get done ASAP so that if we need to switch targets we aren't stuck.

Sakura's at L-2. Can still make a Sakura lynch happen, people!
(Okay, probably not. But a guy can dream, can't he?)

Anyway, will be here for deadline so if ffery doesn't drop by, I'll hammer.

And was going to ask Tier for an explanation for those reads, but I guess it's not happening.

Okay, let's do this then.

[snipped for bbcode]

So yeah, really after analyzing everybody's interactions with Tier, Sakura's slot looks the worst to me quite easily. I already posted a case on Sakura yesterday, so I guess I'm right back to where I started.

VOTE: Sakura

I may look Tier-Sakura interactions and do a wagon analysis later; this has kind of worn me out a bit. So many posts...

I don't feel like answering your questions really helps progress the game, but I don't remember what the questions were in the first place. I'll have more to add to this game tomorrow.

Helping me get a better read on you and hopefully convince me that you're town isn't "progressing the game"? Okay. It's this kind of obstinant behavior that kind of makes me want to vote you, but I'm really beginning to think you're just a stubborn townie.

Im loving Hayate. He doesn't see the Tier case, hammers him, and goes after Hana. But, His hammer is just that. Is he throwing a buddy under?
*This is a lot of work for a mislynch, especially if you're going to replace out for inactivity. Is this a normal amount of effort/posts for scumHayate?*

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Obviously Wisdom has not Tier/early interactions. OR much in the way of weighty contents.

[pisskop]

And now the Tier/Abbott/Hana conspiracy . . .

[pisskop]

Spoiler:

Hi guys, I've been reading since i sent the replacement request and I'm currently at Page 17.

Reads as of now:
Town: Nacho, the snowman avatar guy, TS.
Scum: bjc, Rob, ED (which means im wrong about at least 1 of these)

Not in any specific order.

Unvote

In case my predecessor was voting someone.

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yes nobody wants to be lynched.

My fatalistic meta begs to differ

Sorry i just had to comment on that

Vote: Sakura

Sigh... just finish me off im tired of you guys not believing me.

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enough of your survivalism play. at this point your play is becoming more hindeirng to me then helpful if your town.

......... Okay. Whatever, someone hammer me so I can play in a different newb game.

^
Does this look like survivalist to you?
And if his play is hindering you then you're effectively pushing for a policy lynch, now that i finished reading im thinking on bjc as more town. Maybe because I've been in his position before.
Also Ika leaning more scum =/

Don't even try to insinuate 608 is not very very easily fakeable by scum.

That said, bjc doesn't look like it's gonna happen and emerald is, so I'll switch over the next few days if bjc doesn't start picking up votes again.

Yeah, also TS going a bit down in the town ladder, but still nullish-town because of his last post.

post 589
is the biggest tell tale to me imo, its fresh from today

You are hilarious.

It looked like a taunting question wrt to my previous post to me... the other points are mostly what I was referring to.

676 and 677 look very cool to me, if I were to make a town hana case. I like the part where she casually responds to him.

How do you feel about ika orchestrating this to ba a 1v1? Do you feel there's necessarily scum in me or bjc?

I suggest you read my post again and ask again if you really think that's the case.

And This too.

Hana, are you town? Come be my townie with me.
I actually like your's the best of the three atm . . .

[pisskop]

So, This brings me back to a Nacho/Wisdom T/S interaction Funtime Extravaganza.

Hayate gives wisdom a good edge, but Do not like how he townreads me for quicklynching Ray.

[fferyllt]

sakura has a long history of self-voting as both alignments.

It's a null tell in and of itself.

The thing that's bothering me about Sakura is that there's no meat on the bones of her reads.

[Wisdom]

Sakura is way more frustrated when she self-votes as town.

[Wisdom]

but Do not like how he townreads me for quicklynching Ray.

I really doubt scum would hammer right after I said "drop the hammer". Not to mention it attracts attention, something that you wouldn't want especially given how Nacho was scumreading you.