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Post Post #400 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:20 pm

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I wasn't going to lynch Muffin at all, never was though I didn't really see anything worth defending. My scumgame isn't anything like yours, and I wouldn't be mind placing my vote on a wagon. It's been stated that my vote is more fluid as scum compared to me as town, and when I'm setting up a lynch I tend to confront that person that I am trying to lynch or completely ignore him. There is never this awkward middle ground where I let others do all the work for me, that isn't how I roll as scum. It's also useless to try and set up a hammer prior to lylo as scum

You said that I was attacking people on the wagon, which would also make the assumption that I hadn't attacked them before hand. the only person on the wagon I attacked who I didn't touch on prior was Private, which meant there were 4 others I didn't attack. (and yes, I said everyone else on the wagon that wasn't LLD and Grey was shifty, though there were only two other people on it at the time. Dessew and Private)

The fact that you are using Dessew's position on the wagon as a point against me, and not taking in the consideration that I don't want to join the wagon because of that is kinda weird. Your case on me would make sense (especially the attacking people on the wagon part) would make sense if I hadn't pushed him prior, but that isn't the case because dessew and Private are the only ones who were on the muffin wagon that I had attacked

what about an answer to my question? (hint: it's a very good window into my scum-mind and why you thought I was town in my first game with you, ever even though I was scum)
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Post Post #401 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:38 pm

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In post 400, Kovara wrote:I wasn't going to lynch Muffin at all, never was though I didn't really see anything worth defending. My scumgame isn't anything like yours, and I wouldn't be mind placing my vote on a wagon. It's been stated that my vote is more fluid as scum compared to me as town, and when I'm setting up a lynch I tend to confront that person that I am trying to lynch or completely ignore him. There is never this awkward middle ground where I let others do all the work for me, that isn't how I roll as scum. It's also useless to try and set up a hammer prior to lylo as scum

You said that I was attacking people on the wagon, which would also make the assumption that I hadn't attacked them before hand. the only person on the wagon I attacked who I didn't touch on prior was Private, which meant there were 4 others I didn't attack. (and yes, I said everyone else on the wagon that wasn't LLD and Grey was shifty, though there were only two other people on it at the time. Dessew and Private)

The fact that you are using Dessew's position on the wagon as a point against me, and not taking in the consideration that I don't want to join the wagon because of that is kinda weird. Your case on me would make sense (especially the attacking people on the wagon part) would make sense if I hadn't pushed him prior, but that isn't the case because dessew and Private are the only ones who were on the muffin wagon that I had attacked

what about an answer to my question? (hint: it's a very good window into my scum-mind and why you thought I was town in my first game with you, ever even though I was scum)
Ok I'd love to take this chance to dive into your mind.

But I thought I answered all your questions in post 398? So if you want me to elaborate on one or two tell me which you want answered.
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Post Post #402 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:07 pm

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In post 394, Kovara wrote:why would I try and deny I did something as scum, vs town when the best way to make yourself look good is to make cases? (and scum is all about looking good and getting mislynches and yaddayaddayadday)
there wasn't really an answer to this
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Post Post #403 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:14 pm

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Well i have messages from the dead topic. Ehm, i mean, other side. I mean, policee

Ill poat from home in like 11 hours. Meanwhile
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Post Post #404 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:24 pm

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In post 402, Kovara wrote:
In post 394, Kovara wrote:why would I try and deny I did something as scum, vs town when the best way to make yourself look good is to make cases? (and scum is all about looking good and getting mislynches and yaddayaddayadday)
there wasn't really an answer to this
You could of just forgot about the point you made when you wrote that post. I do that sometimes as town or scum my reaction differs between the two as town I'm more likely to admit I made a mistake and as scum I panic a little sometimes then go oh shit I shouldn't have posted that and try and warp the mistake to look like it was meant to be there.

I think I'm learning about myself more than I'm learning about you now lol.
In post 400, Kovara wrote:It's also useless to try and set up a hammer prior to lylo as scum
Not true It's always better to plan ahead as scum.
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Post Post #405 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:29 pm

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In post 379, GreyICE wrote:
In post 378, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 2, shos wrote:The Police Detectives don't count towards that "alive" population
this is what unlynchable was referring to btw

i used the word unlynchable because it's easier than saying "don't count towards the alive population"
Hey MTD

I want you to say, on record, that it makes sense that he used "unlynchable" as a shorthand for "doesn't count towards the alive population"

And not from Antihero's post #48 where the moderator clearly states he's unlynchable.

This is the post in question by the way.
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dopog wrote:@muffin why vote empking after pI did?
i hadn't read the thread

it was late, couldn't be bothered reading,
saw OP, saw he was "unlynchable" in a bastard game
, figured i'd see what happens, voted, went to sleep.
Guyett, same question.

Don't even know what you're getting at here
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Post Post #406 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:36 pm

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In post 389, Garmr wrote:
In post 346, MTD wrote:@ Garmr: Do you still think Kovara is scum?
You said you don't agree with the Muffin wagon, if the reasons for it are bad, what about those willing to hop on it?
unskilled or opportunistic scum
I should really just do a list of my town reads after through as this game is really getting paranoid as fuck

Lets take a look at the people who voted or want to vote

Grey ice-He seems to be paranoid as fuck his not acting like his usual sane self town or scum. So I really don't know how to handle him as a lot of the shit his cases have been null and one or two points a little have a tiniest bit of merit at best. I don't know what to make of him so I'm leaving him unrated

Dessew-at first I thought he was a vi but his hop onto the muffin wagon was a little more suss and his action send a couple of shivers down my spine. Through I think he could just be a vi because of mara's actions but I'll put him as null scum.

Guyyet-He makes me face palm and his a null read. Didn't this post here either
In post 351, Guyett wrote:I wanted to lol hammer him to give myself time to read... then I remembered the last time I lol hammered and he was very pissed off with me for doing it.

That wasn't in response to your case, I hadn't read it at all.
Private-null-scum he just doesn't seem to give two fucks about this game.

LLD-Little reasoning to be on the muffin wagon I could not find one solid case to actually get on it null-scum



Now for the person who showed interest in the wagon yet didn't hop on


The scummy as fuck mara/kovara
So to rehash

1.
In post 159, Kovara wrote:(if anyone hasn't noticed, Dessew and Dopog are both obviously scum)
Going for low hanging fruit

2.the preferred role thing she was incomplete with only one question and needed a couple of questions to get good result I feel she would of knew this. This is onlya minor peeve through and not enough to vote her on it's own.

3.
In post 177, Kovara wrote:
In post 165, MTD wrote:Also he made pretty stupid cases on Dessew and dopog, that are illogical at best.
(does not have a case on Dopog)

not one that is visible at least, for all you know I could be thinking he is bad because he is a dog and I am a cat and we are always fighting!

this does prove, though that you aren't really reading my posts and are assuming that I have actually made cases

I don't really even have one presented on Dessew, but hey what I do have is top notch!
In post 103, Kovara wrote:Dopog- I don't like his reluctance to answer a simple question, overly paranoid as if he is scared that I might use this information against him... something that is almost exclusive to scum and has been reactive thus far. very likely scum
Like I mentioned these two post before you were trying to deny you had made any case on depog at all and I feel this a major scum point as she is deflecting and denying something she posted.

NOW HERE'S THE KICKER

she's been attacking people on the muffin wagon
In post 246, Kovara wrote:
In post 233, PrivateI wrote:I'm actually getting sold on GreyICE's "tell". It's something that I've seen, and quite honestly, done in off-site games. Is it conclusive? No.

With that in mind, and with the promise of future, more in-depth examinations of Muffin and shos specifically,

VOTE: Muffin
another vulture!
In post 236, Dessew wrote:The wagon on Muffin makes sense to me now, with these explanations both from Greyice and Lambdadelta told. I'm posting from my phone, and I won't look up the votes now, if it's L-1, consider this to be an
intent to hammer
. I still don't like Korava, but we have time for that.

Shos: have you tried unvoting?
...

so many uncublike words running through my head
In post 245, shos wrote:
In post 228, shos wrote: for example, I now kinda think that you are a third party jester. that is precisely the tell that you said only mafia do. and you..you fit to TWO possible third parties by now - a lyncher for Muffin, and a jester; I don't see how you're going up town and muffin's scum.
Also..
that doesn't work because you stated it after he explained it you silly lion you
In post 247, Kovara wrote:I am also not at all fond of lynching anyone before the (what I assume to be) the major mechanic gets to come into play. I think cops are a pro-town faction, kinda

and, all I see is a flailing muffin, and I'm not really fond of most of his scum-tells at all. like, honestly, I think LLD's scum-muffin points are more alluring than Grey's one

Privates vote, and Dessew's vote in spirit are really turning me off
In post 332, Kovara wrote:In post 330, zMuffinMan wrote:
kovara wrote:
This, is what I agree with.

what specifically do you agree with?


Everything except the last phrase, though I resonate a whole lot more with the first sentence than anything else there. It makes sense, and it gives a little bit of what your mindset could be but that's pretty much it.

it's weak, though and there is quite a bit of burden of proficiency, though it is still a whole lot better than what grey has given. I'm not going to join your wagon, as I'm much more interested in my scum-spects, and what sho's would have to say when he come back from interrogation (if he comes back at all)

and, there is the fact that the only people that I like are LLD and Grey. everyone else is super duper sketchy
This to me is her staying off the wagon. She seems to know he will flip town and it echos through her voice yet she keeps the option to jump to hammer if times running out. She is also setting up her votes for the next day or if the wagons falling apart. She seems to me like the typical scum off wagon.

tldr version:

Greyice - unrated
Dessew - null scum
Guyett - null scum
private - null scum
LLD - null scum
Kovara - SCUMSCUMSCUMSCUM


THATS A LOT OF FUCKING SCUM!!!
Also how lazy is that greyice read... were you afraid of reading another person as null scum?!?

Also a lot of your reasons for people being scum are shit
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Post Post #407 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:11 pm

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In post 406, Guyett wrote:
tldr version:

Greyice - unrated
Dessew - null scum
Guyett - null scum
private - null scum
LLD - null scum
Kovara - SCUMSCUMSCUMSCUM


THATS A LOT OF FUCKING SCUM!!!
Also how lazy is that greyice read... were you afraid of reading another person as null scum?!?

Also a lot of your reasons for people being scum are shit
Wow you can copy my reads list and then delete everything till your left with my verdicts. Good Fucking job dipshit want a medal.


But you got one wrong I didn't see you as scum I just thought you are a pretty bad player.

Also I want you to find one person with a town reason to be on that fucking wagon and I'll vote myself. BECAUSE I BET YOU FUCKING CAN'T

Grey Ice seems fucking insane and I quoted that and Don't know what to think of it. But hey I don't know you jumping on muffin wagon hoping for a quick hammer is retarded. I don't see scum admitting it but I do see a ANTI TOWN COCKMUNCHER admitting it.

I worked hard on that post and wanted to get across the point I think town should buck and stop being fucksticks. Why did you think I added the
unskilled
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It also kills me to see why people don't see how kovara isn't scum


What your going to pretend to get hurt when your obviously not. Going to make a apology and not mean just to carry it over into a hydra game that's supposed to be fun. Karma burns bitch.
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Post Post #408 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:23 pm

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The person you were being a dick to may of forgiven you but I sure haven't.
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Post Post #409 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:24 pm

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Post Post #410 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:27 pm

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In post 409, Guyett wrote:Reported
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Post Post #411 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:27 pm

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@mod replace me please. I didnt replace in to get personally attacked and called a cockmuncher
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Post Post #412 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:28 pm

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it's fine

I will replace out you can stay in the game
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Post Post #413 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:29 pm

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Garmr please replace me out.
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Post Post #414 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:30 pm

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This way you don't pretend to have to cry
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In post 408, Garmr wrote:The person you were being a dick to may of forgiven you but I sure haven't.
Pls explain where I have done anything to you to warrant thid kind of behaviour.
Will you act like this to ETL too?
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Post Post #416 (ISO) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:55 pm

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Holy shit, back off and think before you say anything. I know 541 was a shitty game, but you weren't even in it and it isn't fair to insult someone off the basis of one mistake. Step back and cool off, both of you before this gets anyworse
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That is actually based off 2 games not one... he wasnt in either.
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Post Post #419 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:22 am

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Had to hear all about it through
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Post Post #420 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:33 am

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Starting from post 407, i have no idea wtf is wrong with you two.

Chull the fuck down now,mkay?
In 406 guyette said that the reasons for peiple being scum as proposed by garmr is shit. Continue from over there please.

Garnr, explain why your reasons are not shit.
Gyette, explain whybthey are.

Be civil you two. You're past age 3
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In post 419, Garmr wrote:Had to hear all about it through
But I didn't do anything to offend you in particular.
I have apologised to Mollie about things and she has accepted my apology.
Why is it your business and what gives you the right to attack me like that.
YOU ARE ONLY MAKING THINGS WORSE BY DRAGGING IT BACK UP AGAIN!!!


Are more of Mollies hydra partners going to attack me like this and make themselves involved in something they had nothing to do with?
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In post 421, Guyett wrote:
In post 419, Garmr wrote:Had to hear all about it through
But I didn't do anything to offend you in particular.
I have apologised to Mollie about things and she has accepted my apology.
Why is it your business and what gives you the right to attack me like that.
YOU ARE ONLY MAKING THINGS WORSE BY DRAGGING IT BACK UP AGAIN!!!


Are more of Mollies hydra partners going to attack me like this and make themselves involved in something they had nothing to do with?
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Post Post #423 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:32 am

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In post 420, shos wrote: Gyette, explain whybthey are.
In post 406, Guyett wrote:
In post 389, Garmr wrote:
In post 346, MTD wrote:@ Garmr: Do you still think Kovara is scum?
You said you don't agree with the Muffin wagon, if the reasons for it are bad, what about those willing to hop on it?
unskilled or opportunistic scum
I should really just do a list of my town reads after through as this game is really getting paranoid as fuck

Lets take a look at the people who voted or want to vote

Grey ice-He seems to be paranoid as fuck his not acting like his usual sane self town or scum. So I really don't know how to handle him as a lot of the shit his cases have been null and one or two points a little have a tiniest bit of merit at best. I don't know what to make of him so I'm leaving him unrated
Paranoia here would indicate he is town. I found leaving him unrated a major cop-out compared to the rest of the reads in this post


Dessew-at first I thought he was a vi but his hop onto the muffin wagon was a little more suss and his action send a couple of shivers down my spine. Through I think he could just be a vi because of mara's actions but I'll put him as null scum.
Null scum with a very heavy lean on scum would be my interpretation of this read


Guyyet-He makes me face palm and his a null read. Didn't this post here either
In post 351, Guyett wrote:I wanted to lol hammer him to give myself time to read... then I remembered the last time I lol hammered and he was very pissed off with me for doing it.

That wasn't in response to your case, I hadn't read it at all.
Private-null-scum he just doesn't seem to give two fucks about this game.
By saying you're privately reading me as null scum indicates you're reading me as null scum..
You say in a following post that "But you got one wrong I didn't see you as scum I just thought you are a pretty bad player. "... but that contradicts what you said here.
Not giving 2 fucks is usually a light town tell on most players imo


LLD-Little reasoning to be on the muffin wagon I could not find one solid case to actually get on it null-scum
I'd go null here rather than null scum, there are other players that are scummier and if they flip scum re-evaluate this read



Now for the person who showed interest in the wagon yet didn't hop on


The scummy as fuck mara/kovara
So to rehash

1.
In post 159, Kovara wrote:(if anyone hasn't noticed, Dessew and Dopog are both obviously scum)
Going for low hanging fruit

2.the preferred role thing she was incomplete with only one question and needed a couple of questions to get good result I feel she would of knew this. This is onlya minor peeve through and not enough to vote her on it's own.

3.
In post 177, Kovara wrote:
In post 165, MTD wrote:Also he made pretty stupid cases on Dessew and dopog, that are illogical at best.
(does not have a case on Dopog)

not one that is visible at least, for all you know I could be thinking he is bad because he is a dog and I am a cat and we are always fighting!

this does prove, though that you aren't really reading my posts and are assuming that I have actually made cases

I don't really even have one presented on Dessew, but hey what I do have is top notch!
In post 103, Kovara wrote:Dopog- I don't like his reluctance to answer a simple question, overly paranoid as if he is scared that I might use this information against him... something that is almost exclusive to scum and has been reactive thus far. very likely scum
Like I mentioned these two post before you were trying to deny you had made any case on depog at all and I feel this a major scum point as she is deflecting and denying something she posted.

NOW HERE'S THE KICKER

she's been attacking people on the muffin wagon
In post 246, Kovara wrote:
In post 233, PrivateI wrote:I'm actually getting sold on GreyICE's "tell". It's something that I've seen, and quite honestly, done in off-site games. Is it conclusive? No.

With that in mind, and with the promise of future, more in-depth examinations of Muffin and shos specifically,

VOTE: Muffin
another vulture!
In post 236, Dessew wrote:The wagon on Muffin makes sense to me now, with these explanations both from Greyice and Lambdadelta told. I'm posting from my phone, and I won't look up the votes now, if it's L-1, consider this to be an
intent to hammer
. I still don't like Korava, but we have time for that.

Shos: have you tried unvoting?
...

so many uncublike words running through my head
In post 245, shos wrote:
In post 228, shos wrote: for example, I now kinda think that you are a third party jester. that is precisely the tell that you said only mafia do. and you..you fit to TWO possible third parties by now - a lyncher for Muffin, and a jester; I don't see how you're going up town and muffin's scum.
Also..
that doesn't work because you stated it after he explained it you silly lion you
In post 247, Kovara wrote:I am also not at all fond of lynching anyone before the (what I assume to be) the major mechanic gets to come into play. I think cops are a pro-town faction, kinda

and, all I see is a flailing muffin, and I'm not really fond of most of his scum-tells at all. like, honestly, I think LLD's scum-muffin points are more alluring than Grey's one

Privates vote, and Dessew's vote in spirit are really turning me off
In post 332, Kovara wrote:In post 330, zMuffinMan wrote:
kovara wrote:
This, is what I agree with.

what specifically do you agree with?


Everything except the last phrase, though I resonate a whole lot more with the first sentence than anything else there. It makes sense, and it gives a little bit of what your mindset could be but that's pretty much it.

it's weak, though and there is quite a bit of burden of proficiency, though it is still a whole lot better than what grey has given. I'm not going to join your wagon, as I'm much more interested in my scum-spects, and what sho's would have to say when he come back from interrogation (if he comes back at all)

and, there is the fact that the only people that I like are LLD and Grey. everyone else is super duper sketchy
This to me is her staying off the wagon. She seems to know he will flip town and it echos through her voice yet she keeps the option to jump to hammer if times running out. She is also setting up her votes for the next day or if the wagons falling apart. She seems to me like the typical scum off wagon.

I like this case

tldr version:

Greyice - unrated
Dessew - null scum
Guyett - null scum
private - null scum
LLD - null scum
Kovara - SCUMSCUMSCUMSCUM


THATS A LOT OF FUCKING SCUM!!!
Also how lazy is that greyice read... were you afraid of reading another person as null scum?!?

Also a lot of your reasons for people being scum are shit

Basically I disagreed with the read list from the start of the post. It looked shitty and lazy. Kovara case is actually quite good
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Post Post #424 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:34 am

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can we please not bring out of game stuff in game?

I understand how close you are with mollie, Garmr, and I know how shitty it feels to go through the things she went through both games because I have been through that as well, but this is mafia and that shit happens. Bringing this stuff up like this is not only anti-town, but pretty bad ethics and dickish behavior. please stop
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