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Post Post #1600 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:06 pm

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In post 1543, Drunken Lies wrote:The two of you have been at each other since day fucking 1. Making noise. Muddying reads. It's like neither of you are capable or willing to look anywhere else you are so clouded in your tunnel.
I voted elsewhere. I've given 3 names and voted 2. The third had vote parked and contributed jack shit today posting just enough to arise suspicion and avoid prods.

I'm good with either 3. Mastin/ dram/ espe.

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Post Post #1601 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:08 pm

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In post 1552, mastin2 wrote:
In post 1543, Drunken Lies wrote:The two of you have been at each other since day fucking 1. Making noise. Muddying reads. It's like neither of you are capable or willing to look anywhere else you are so clouded in your tunnel.
Funny you use that wording. Read/skim this game. Please. Read, thinking Slandaar = Dram, and Jake = Jake.

Same dang thing.
Not even close to the same thing. I was way worse that game.
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Post Post #1602 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:13 pm

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In post 1599, Titus wrote:?? Clarify please. I don't feel I make unreasonable demands.
In post 1514, Titus wrote:If Mastin has this game solved, he's doing a heck of a way of showing it. The proper response is to call out the scum team, let them come after you and lead to their own demise with your theory. The truth, if properly argued, should win out. Gambits and what not obscure the truth, hence why I hate them.
I would say telling a rather successful player that their playstyle is wrong because notformallogicenough would fall under an "unreasonable demand".
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Post Post #1603 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:13 pm

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Jake, we seem to be syncing well but for Esp/Molla. Why is Esp scum? Why is BBMolla town?
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Post Post #1604 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:18 pm

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Post Post #1605 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:19 pm

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In post 1562, Drunken Lies wrote:But if I'm gonna go looking for meta evidence, it's going to be something I experienced first hand and nothing else.
Then read it to understand
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In post 1569, Drunken Lies wrote:ahhhh my bad. I'm sorry Titus. You've spoken about it pretty openly on site chat, it didn't occur to me it would bother you.
Since not game-relevant, AP might be willing to delete it if asked. The message's been delivered to all parties involved anyway.
In post 1601, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 1552, mastin2 wrote:
In post 1543, Drunken Lies wrote:The two of you have been at each other since day fucking 1. Making noise. Muddying reads. It's like neither of you are capable or willing to look anywhere else you are so clouded in your tunnel.
Funny you use that wording. Read/skim this game. Please. Read, thinking Slandaar = Dram, and Jake = Jake.

Same dang thing.
Not even close to the same thing. I was way worse that game.
You realize you're scumclaiming this post, right? That game, you were scum. This game, you're implying you're better. Implying that the games are comparable. Which they only can be...if you share the same alignment.
(Don't expect anyone else to buy this being a slip, though. I don't put much stock in it having been one, either, but pointing it out just in case it actually was one.)
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Post Post #1606 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:20 pm

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In post 1602, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1599, Titus wrote:?? Clarify please. I don't feel I make unreasonable demands.
In post 1514, Titus wrote:If Mastin has this game solved, he's doing a heck of a way of showing it. The proper response is to call out the scum team, let them come after you and lead to their own demise with your theory. The truth, if properly argued, should win out. Gambits and what not obscure the truth, hence why I hate them.
I would say telling a rather successful player that their playstyle is wrong because notformallogicenough would fall under an "unreasonable demand".
First, your statement seems to imply that if this was by someone less successful that it may be valid.

Second, my gripe with Mastin's play has nothing to do with the amount of formal or informal logic. Rather, his behavior is obscuring and detrimental to the town. Most gambit are. We should all strive to be candid and straightforward. As such, gambits should be limited. Gambits that require self-voting should be done as a last resort, if ever.

If Mastin is town (highly unlikely) then this play is very anti-win con and thus not a good strategy.

I don't care if Mastin is perceived as successful, his play here is downright bad. I evaluate every player based on what they do here, not based on their meta reputation.
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Post Post #1607 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:23 pm

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In post 1562, Drunken Lies wrote:I don't need to. It's not pertinent to me. It doesn't help me. It really doesn't. And it has nothing to do with "hating reading". I like reading a lot tyvm. But if I'm gonna go looking for meta evidence, it's going to be something I experienced first hand and nothing else.
If your read is so strong based on my meta, you shouldn't have to be searching for evidence to verify.

You should be able to articulate your gut and then say, I'm going to get the evidence to support this.

Ex: You're acting the way you did in [game here]... let me go get the posts.
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Post Post #1608 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:32 pm

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In post 1605, mastin2 wrote:
In post 1562, Drunken Lies wrote:But if I'm gonna go looking for meta evidence, it's going to be something I experienced first hand and nothing else.
Then read it to understand
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In post 1569, Drunken Lies wrote:ahhhh my bad. I'm sorry Titus. You've spoken about it pretty openly on site chat, it didn't occur to me it would bother you.
Since not game-relevant, AP might be willing to delete it if asked. The message's been delivered to all parties involved anyway.
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In post 1552, mastin2 wrote:
In post 1543, Drunken Lies wrote:The two of you have been at each other since day fucking 1. Making noise. Muddying reads. It's like neither of you are capable or willing to look anywhere else you are so clouded in your tunnel.
Funny you use that wording. Read/skim this game. Please. Read, thinking Slandaar = Dram, and Jake = Jake.

Same dang thing.
Not even close to the same thing. I was way worse that game.
You realize you're scumclaiming this post, right? That game, you were scum. This game, you're implying you're better. Implying that the games are comparable. Which they only can be...if you share the same alignment.
(Don't expect anyone else to buy this being a slip, though. I don't put much stock in it having been one, either, but pointing it out just in case it actually was one.)
Nope I'm not cause I'm not scum. The difference between that game and this game is my reasonings in that game were shit, fuck I didn't even have a reason. I argued over definitions if anti-town and scummy and falsely accused him of lying.

I'm accusing dram of things that are actual scum tells. The most damning is basically getting the ok to hammer a town read all while doing absolutely no scum hunting.

He accused me of trying to get approval, does my play even remotely resemble someone seeking approval?
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Post Post #1609 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:32 pm

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In post 1606, Titus wrote:First, your statement seems to imply that if this was by someone less successful that it may be valid.
It would probably carry more weight as an argument.

It's hard to tell someone who is considered good at what they do - moreso than yourself - that what they do, they're doing wrong.
In post 1606, Titus wrote: Second, my gripe with Mastin's play has nothing to do with the amount of formal or informal logic. Rather, his behavior is obscuring and detrimental to the town. Most gambit are. We should all strive to be candid and straightforward. As such, gambits should be limited. Gambits that require self-voting should be done as a last resort, if ever.

If Mastin is town (highly unlikely) then this play is very anti-win con and thus not a good strategy.
Given that your argument against gambits is rooted in obscuring truth, and your argument favoring candid and straightforward is rooted in formal logic, I'd argue that your gripe has entirely to do with the amount of formal and informal logic usage. That's how you operate; you frame everything within that scope.

Regardless, an adept player can successfully pull of a number of complex gambits that outwardly appear anti-wincon but are later revealed to be both pro-town and good strategies.

The key lies in the player's ability.
In post 1606, Titus wrote: I don't care if Mastin is perceived as successful, his play here is downright bad. I evaluate every player based on what they do here, not based on their meta reputation.
*Her.

Your argument about her play being bad is because you have an objective stance of anti-gambit. She could single-handedly win the game with a gambit and you would consider it bad play because of the presence of the gambit. That's not a good stance to take, for obvious reasons.

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Post Post #1610 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:34 pm

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In post 1603, Titus wrote:Jake, we seem to be syncing well but for Esp/Molla. Why is Esp scum? Why is BBMolla town?
ESP is scum based off my gut and his play overall. Day 1 not very memorable and been slowly getting worse trying to stay out of the arguments.

Molla is town cause poe dictates he must be
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Post Post #1611 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:49 pm

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In post 1608, Jake from State Farm wrote:Nope I'm not cause I'm not scum. The difference between that game and this game is my reasonings in that game were shit, fuck I didn't even have a reason. I argued over definitions if anti-town and scummy and falsely accused him of lying.

I'm accusing dram of things that are actual scum tells. The most damning is basically getting the ok to hammer a town read all while doing absolutely no scum hunting.

He accused me of trying to get approval, does my play even remotely resemble someone seeking approval?
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Post Post #1612 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:51 pm

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Once again, you show you have no town conviction and only a scum motivation to get the town to approve you.
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Post Post #1613 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:53 pm

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This is just awful. We need a scum lynch and everyone is too divided.

Titus, I gave very clear reasons for why I think you could be scum. But I've talked myself out of it at this point anyway.

UNVOTE:

I think you'd be more confident of your target if you were scum. And you're not flipping out and attacking people to get your lynch.

Do we even have another town lynch before LYLO or is today it?
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Post Post #1614 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:55 pm

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10 alive. If it's LyLo there will be words.
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Post Post #1615 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:57 pm

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Assuming 3 scum + SK, what does that make it? It does make it MYLO. If we lynch town today, we're done. If only 2 scum + SK we're not. Does that sound right?
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Post Post #1616 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:59 pm

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Agreed with Dram here. 13 players usually means 3-4 scum.

If this was lylo, I WOULD be yelling and screaming as a mislynch would cost us the game.

Dram is my least favorite target out of the group I'm thinking... yet I realized Bro is no where in that. I'm shocked no one highlighted that to me.

I've got three in Mastin/Majiffy/Dram/Bro. If any of them go, I'm fine.
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Post Post #1617 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:00 pm

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In post 1615, Drunken Lies wrote:Assuming 3 scum + SK, what does that make it? It does make it MYLO. If we lynch town today, we're done. If only 2 scum + SK we're not. Does that sound right?
Umm the SK is dead. It should be removed for purposes of MYLO/LYLO calculations.
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Post Post #1618 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:08 pm

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In post 1615, Drunken Lies wrote:Assuming 3 scum + SK, what does that make it? It does make it MYLO. If we lynch town today, we're done. If only 2 scum + SK we're not. Does that sound right?
I don't believe we are even in mylo if my maffs are correct
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Post Post #1619 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:17 pm

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10 alive
Supposing 4 same team scum, then town needs 9 available to lynch. However, this would be horribly unbalanced with an SK as well. So let's suppose this is impossible.
3 same team scum, then town needs 7 available to lynch.

That gives us one mislynch. If we mislynch here, tomorrow we should spend all of our time debating but not lynching.
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Post Post #1620 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:26 pm

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what titus said.
Although that's a horrible scumlist, not gonna lie.
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Post Post #1621 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:27 pm

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Damn right it is.
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Post Post #1622 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:27 pm

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In post 1621, Majiffy wrote:Damn right it is.
Says the guy voting me. <_<
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Post Post #1623 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:38 pm

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In post 1620, dramonic wrote:what titus said.
Although that's a horrible scumlist, not gonna lie.
Why is it horrible? Why did you feel the need to add, not gunna lie. Would you normally feel the need to lie?
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Post Post #1624 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:07 pm

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It's horrible because it's 4 town?
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