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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:31 am

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Oh yeah you replaced a scum read of mine.
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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:33 am

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Scum is within this group { jonh_61, Ms Marangal, Lady Lambdadelta, dopog}

Not 100% comfortable with calling MTD and Shos town yet

mastin2 and GreyICE are my biggest town reads
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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:48 am

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With the talking about Town blocs early, if one was formed I'd want shos in mine. He looks to actually be scum hunting, which is more than I can say about some previous ISO's. Shos asks questions, and expects answers.

Shos is one of (and maybe my strongest) my Town reads. I won't be voting him any time soon.

pedit I agree with "Scum is within this group { jonh_61, Ms Marangal, Lady Lambdadelta, dopog}"

I think there's scum in that list.
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:57 am

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All remaining scum is in there.

I'll have to ask mastin and grey if they want shos in our townbloc. I'm inclined to say he's prob town due to my chat with the cops
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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:30 am

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Shos is pissing me off.

Take Jon out of the possibly scum list.

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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:32 am

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why?
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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:38 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:39 am

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the apathy from lambda is makign me want to remove her from the scum list
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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:43 am

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In post 680, Guyett wrote:why?
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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:46 am

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Ok done
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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:59 am

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Guyett why is apathy a sign of townieness?
I can join that townblock but ibhave to tell you that mastin really doesnt look too much town to me.

Proceed with lanbdadelta lynch, please.
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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:36 am

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Uh, prod dodge.
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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:19 am

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Vote Count 2.7


dopog - 2 (LadyLambdadelta, jon_h61)
LadyLambdadelta - 1 (shos)
mastin2 - 2 (Ms Marangal, MTD)
Ms Marangal - 1 (mastin2)
MTD - 1 (dopog)

Not Voting: GreyICE, Guyett

dopog prodded.

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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:30 am

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ok we're 2 days from DL that is no good.
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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:32 am

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mastin, why are you voting ms mara. have you seen the reasoning I gave for why she is town?
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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:21 am

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I could settle on a LLD lynch. Her play could easily be scum trying to seem uninterested in the game. Let's find out.

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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:35 am

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In post 668, Ms Marangal wrote:So, you lied when you told me Shos was the greater scum-read when I brought it up prior to getting called in for investigation. ok
Yeah, you're scum.

No, I didn't lie. My reads--quite obviously--are extremely fluid. Changing. Shifting. Morphing. Shos was a stronger scumread. Now he isn't. A town-you would know this and reason about it. A scum-you doesn't give that a second thought. A scum-you goes, "A-ha! Ammo!" Whereas a town-you would analyze and think about the mindset and if my read could have changed. Which is a pathetically simple thought to have. Reads evolve.
In post 669, Ms Marangal wrote:and, not only that, but you completely ignore the fact that I was starting to gear up towards trying to lynch you which is something that should have caught your attention because you know that I'm probably never going to stop until I get the lynch I want (as either alignment, but I'm more pushy as scum) and, at that point, you had MTD under myself and John however you havn't even thought of pushing either of them prior to getting called into investigation.
I ignored your gearing up to lynch me because there was nothing worth commenting on at the time. Nothing you said in relationship to me was town or scum. Now it is (scum).
In post 676, Guyett wrote:Scum is within this group { jonh_61, Ms Marangal, Lady Lambdadelta, dopog}

Not 100% comfortable with calling MTD and Shos town yet
My scumread on Mara is actually stronger than my scumread on jonh, so I'd appreciate sheeping me. MTD's also a scumread.
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Ehhhhh, that's a bit iffy. He's a townread, yeah, but not townbloc-read.
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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:47 pm

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In post 534, shos wrote:Unless dessew has been planning to go straight up against his pal, I highly doubt kovaraslot is scum with Dessew. Just read the ISO.
In post 535, shos wrote:If that wasnt clear, mara has replaced kovara, so i think mara is towb.
REREAD THEN.
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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:33 pm

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Ok. here. Hey. Hi. Will be in and out till deadline but really I'm not playing this right. Just have been busy and not feeling it lately and I'm sorry.
I'm gonna go stream of consciousness when I do post now at least this day because nothing else is doing it for me.

So,

@jon; 515 is not saying either definitively. I mean the whole thing was assuming that there was one scumteam/no weird permutations of a mafia team. It's just saying that MTD prob scum but there is this one thing that is making me slow on it. That's really it.

And Jon I'm NOT seeing him (MTD) trying to scumhunt, trying to get it done for town. Really so many of his reads just absolutely feel as if they are "oh yeah could be bad but on the other hand, this so I don't think so". Sure that could be a struggle to read people. But it doesn't look like an honest fight. Just seems like a fat I'm gonna null read out on people and from there I can decide if they are scum or not. Like with zmuffin and even with dessew he thought #436 reads very null and then #466 without voting he seems to CHOOSE (as in arbitrarily - i.e. set up a bus) that he is interested in dessew. Those progressions on zmuff and dessew don't read town.
So yeah I dunno I feel as if I'm not gonna stop with MTD. The "MTD-scum is easy to see" sentiment from Greyice doesn't really wanna make me slow down on it very much mostly because I can't just go roll with that. I'm trusting what I read in the thread and that reads mtd-mafia to me. I mean if you wanna expand on it greyice go for it

Reflection that MTD scum probably means three scum - although that is what I thought anyway.

Meh my shos read is pretty darn null. I can see him scum with my top two, and his flip on PI between day 1 and 2 was weird so that's something but his kinda defence "WHY WOULD I DO THAT TO DESSEW" reads town to me - pending my re-read of late day 1 because he could be misconstruing his part. But I don't think so? Same with kovara /marangal I suppose except

@Mastin: Can you just flesh out your progression of thoughts on shos a bit more? Wanna see where you're coming from.

Gotta go now but really here are my general readings of it all;

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MTD mafia tier:
MTD

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Maybe mafia tier:
Jon

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If those two above aren't mafia then I dunno what tier:
Shos, mastin

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Probably-maybe-kinda town tier:
Guyett, Marangal

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Town town tier:
Lady Lambdadelta, Greyice

Just looking at that for a couple secs those people in the two null-town (third and fourth) tiers are pretty interchangeable except for maybe guyett who could be town town one day! Guess also at a glance it looks a bit poe-esque but that's what I feel and how they interact and I gotta go so have it.

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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:07 am

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VOTE: dopog
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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:17 am

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that was a really, REALLY horrible post. I mean, for realz, almost every single thing he wrote is bad.

VOTE: dopog L-1. this is not a bad lynch, and deadline pushing quick so I'ma vote.

Dopog should claim.
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:46 am

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In post 693, dopog wrote:Like with zmuffin and even with dessew he thought #436 reads very null and then #466 without voting he seems to CHOOSE (as in arbitrarily - i.e. set up a bus) that he is interested in dessew. Those progressions on zmuff and dessew don't read town.
Let me think.... no.
in 436 I did
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say he was null. Read it. What I said was, that he looked bad for various reasons, but there wasn't anymore than that,
because he hadn't posted anymore
. In 466 I said that I was interested in the wagon
because of one of the reasons I mentioned in 436
. So yeah, very arbitrary.
"oh yeah could be bad but on the other hand, this so I don't think so"
How do you get to your reads? Do you always see something scummy and then you are sure that person is scum?
Just seems like a fat I'm gonna null read out on people and from there I can decide if they are scum or not.
Ah so you don't even think one should start out nullreading people? Like, I should know their alignments from the beginning? Wait...
Reflection that MTD scum probably means three scum - although that is what I thought anyway.
Why?
Meh my shos read is pretty darn null. I can see him scum with my top two, and his flip on PI between day 1 and 2 was weird so that's something but his kinda defence "WHY WOULD I DO THAT TO DESSEW" reads town to me - pending my re-read of late day 1 because he could be misconstruing his part. But I don't think so?
reads just absolutely feel as if they are "oh yeah could be bad but on the other hand, this so I don't think so". Sure that could be a struggle to read people. But it doesn't look like an honest fight. Just seems like a fat I'm gonna null read out on people and from there I can decide if they are scum or not.
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I pretty much agree with shos' above post I think.
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:05 pm

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I'm vt all the way
Go hammer away

This is probably it eh? and I guess as I said before not really too miffed; played average and stuff

But I mean seriously shos and (mostly?) mtd. I'm not like "oh yeah that's a concrete scumtell" I'm saying that's what I think when I read a post.
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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:30 pm

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In post 697, dopog wrote:I'm vt all the way
Go hammer away

This is probably it eh? and I guess as I said before not really too miffed; played average and stuff

But I mean seriously shos and (mostly?) mtd. I'm not like "oh yeah that's a concrete scumtell" I'm saying that's what I think when I read a post.
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I think I am going to hammer this, any objections?
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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:59 pm

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Pretty much what I was saying there...

I pick on how stuff reads, not what it literally says. I mean your #436 sounds like a null read of dessew, that's all I'm saying man. I mean I guess saying that's how I read stuff can lead to potensh indefensible arguments which I agree are complete crap but I think about the things in CONTEXT of other stuff. I suppose I don't dump all that context at once and I think about stuff people right and come to conclusions in thread that aren't explained in thread.

So i.e./e.g. your #436; I mean it just reads like a sliding towards a bus vote on dessew. It really does. He was going down. You hadn't commented on him before much at all and you say he could be bad, but there isn't much you have on him. And the read progresses from there until you vote him. And that looks scummy/artificial all that bad stuff
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