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[Earthquake]

Catching up guys

Is he off-putting? Sure. Do I think he's more likely to act this way as scum than town? Not especially. I don't think he's being particularly helpful but, in my admittedly somewhat limited experience of playing with Kid A and looking at his approach here, it seems like a misguided general attitude to the game more than an approach that he wouldn't take as town. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just think it's not a particularly interesting vote and, if he is town, he's the sort of mislynch that scum would immediately see as achievable

This post conveys better than any other how I think about Kid A. He's annoying and scummy, but not necessarily scum and a very, very easy place for scum to put their vote.

Okay, I still don't get how this site's meta just gives people who vote randomly without reasons a free pass, but since that's apparently not enough to consider Kid A scummy and he's stepping up the pace in his last couple posts (#160 seems especially good) I'll back off.

Unvote: Kid A

Oh my god are you even serious?

Lia's a fairly strong townread of mine, by the way.

Why?

For the record, don't think more than two scum on my wagon, and actually don't think it's more than one. Don't think it's less than one, either; I think that Lia/Egg/chamber/CDB/Not_Mafia/Kid A has one mafiate in them and the rest are town; my bet's on CDB scum.

Where are you getting this from? To me, it just looks like you chose a random number of mafia to be on your wagon. Why exactly one? Not two?

Town: Lia, KidA, mastin
Meh-town: NOTMAFIA, formerfish

Scummy: Antihero, Earthquake

Yo are you just parroting mastin?

Mastin I feel like our reads are very similar this game.

I guess so.

If mastin and my reads are syncing, it's a

dang

good idea to trust us

Thanks for pointing it out once again, do you have thoughts of your own?

Vote: Quill

It was a toss up between Quill and Earthquake but Quill needs to respond to the above.

Why do I get the feeling you're trying to have an easy out off of the wagon with this vote? You seem not convinced quill is scum, yet you are voting him and preparing to unvote him when the opportunity arises (aka when the questions are answered).

Quill might be scum. Meh. Of the popular wagons, I'd support that one the most.

Maybe you are town after all.

Quill (5) - Earthquake, chamber, ChannelDeliBird, Lia, Not_Mafia.

This is a pretty terrible wagon, though.

What do you see that I don't see?

-Tier

[Earthquake]

Now that the quote wall is done, I'd like to know from everyone refusing to vote quill why they aren't doing so. I have seen nothing but scum motivated posts trying to jump on every old, cracking and rusty wagon he could find.

the wind's blowing a different way
the reads change again to suit it

what did AP call it?
"boringly scum motivated"?

yeah, that's pretty fitting here

Yeah, that's right.

Quill seems to jump on any and every wagon, I'm surprised he didn't self vote earlier

Maybe we can be friends after all

As of now, we're having a quill and a kid A wagon (I think) and the kid A wagon sucks, quite frankly. It looks like a vote parking spot for scum more than anything. He's scummy, yes, but also a fairly annoying noob and experience tells me annoying noobs flip town way more often than scum. The scum variant of the annoying noob usually is someone who lurks through all the game.

-Tier

[shos]

Official Votecount 1.6

Not_Mafia (1) - Antihero.
Kid A (2) - Egg, Formerfish.

Quill (5) - Earthquake, chamber, ChannelDeliBird, Lia, Not_Mafia.

Earthquake (3) - AngryPidgeon, mastin2, Quill.
chamber (1) - Kid A.

Not voting (1) - Zar.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-03-25 06:00:12)

Nobody is due prod(s).
Formerfish is V/LA.
mastin2 is V/LA.

At all times, if you think I have made a mistake, post in bold and/or PM me.

[Antihero]

see, there's a lot of problems with the quill lynch
i looked at the iso again and for all the "scum" signal i'm getting, i'm getting a ton of "newb" signal

combine that with the composition of the quill wagon (namely, notmafia and earthquake) and i think my gut got a false positive

[AngryPidgeon]

but the actual posts are feeling very calculated and artificial

Ok, calculated I could -almost- roll with. Im definitely aware of whats going on in this game and how Im interacting with it. (Like I mentioned Chamber and fish specific ally because I hadn't). I'd argue that this ^ post is calculated (listing everyone in the game and compiling what is mostly IIoA on them is ).
Buuut, how am I being artificial? That word definitely has a scummy connotation attached to it, pretty irrevocably. Which -is- the point you are trying to make on me, but I basically read that as "AP is faking things". So ya I'd like to know what it Ive done thats less than genuine seeing as how I'm just posting whatever comes to mind this game.

[Earthquake]

Hmm, actually we're the second biggest wagon right now. I just can't understand how someone can be on a wagon with someone who posts this:

And lastly, of all y'all, the one I'm now feeling most uncertain of is Earthquake. I didn't like their play in my initial few posts, and looking back through the game, they're making just one weak attack after another. They start off targeting Not_Mafia for going after CDB and Dritan, then switch over to me, and by the time they return after their long hiatus they sort of lean back and throw stones at me and Kid A without much effort to actually contribute or scumhunt.

Post #205 feels especially bad to me; these are all cherry-picked from Kid A's early game, and ignore the better posts he's made by this point. (Not a million times better, but still)

I can/will expand on this more, but this seems long enough for now, since I have no interest in this being a billion words long, no one reading it, and everyone lynching me for terrible reasons. Gonna post quick reads immediately following this, though.

Vote: Earthquake

AP, mastin, how do you feel about quill sheeping you?

Antihero, why exactly do you think quill's actions are not scum motivated? I see newbieness, definitely, but I don't see independent thought, stupid thoughts or anything dumb newb town usually does. Instead, I just see someone humping every wagon that comes by. How do you explain his actions as town motivated?

[AngryPidgeon]

First off, my reads on Not_Mafia and to a lesser extent Kid A have been way off base.

This feel weird to me.

Of the recent three replacements, I feel like mastin's posts are coming from the most town of perspectives, although I agree with AP's reads more, which is a strange place to be in.

What is different about our reads that you agree with specifically? I mean really the only thing is that I called AH scummy and mastin said null. (Oh apparently the CDB read. I'm pretty undecided on CDB. Had a gut scurmead there but could see the posts coming from town).

the wind's blowing a different way
the reads change again to suit it

possibly. If Quill IS scum, I wouldnt be surprised to know that is a bus-vote.

still a pretty apt phrase for quill

Meh. Quill is at least trying to look town motivated : P

Kid A, 1. Scum knows who town is, what benefit would they have from your town reads? Town reads helps the rest of the town sort you, and we can PoE the rest of the player field as well.

The philosophy is that not giving your townreads will make it difficult for scum to know who to kill at night. Someone already mentioned this. Its not a good philosophy, but some people do it.

--

I don't care if someone plays scummy as town, if you play scummy I am going to come after you.

Quill, if you think that my posting style makes me scum then go look at my past town games. I have a hard time getting into games at the start because of the speed some of them go at. I am much better past day 2

[AngryPidgeon]

I feel like people act a certain way as town so that when they do draw scum they can act the same exact way and people will make the meta argument for them. I don't care if someone plays scummy as town, if you play scummy I am going to come after you.

Quill, if you think that my posting style makes me scum then go look at my past town games.

Lol Im not the only one who found this hilariously ironic.

[Antihero]

/ugh

i hate the quill wagon because of earthquake
and i hate the earthquake wagon because of quill

[AngryPidgeon]

As of now, we're having a quill and a kid A wagon (I think) and the kid A wagon sucks, quite frankly. It looks like a vote parking spot for scum more than anything. He's scummy, yes, but also a fairly annoying noob and experience tells me annoying noobs flip town way more often than scum. The scum variant of the annoying noob usually is someone who lurks through all the game.

These sure are words.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP, mastin, how do you feel about quill sheeping you?

Ambivalent.

Antihero, why exactly do you think quill's actions are not scum motivated

I thought AH was scumreading quill?

Instead, I just see someone humping every wagon that comes by. How do you explain his actions as town motivated?

Thats not scummy by itself though? And AH DID comment on that already.

[Antihero]

I thought AH was scumreading quill?

i don't know, he looks scummy, but the wagon bugs the shit out of me and the amount of "newb" signal i'm picking up from him makes me not trust my read on him

[AngryPidgeon]

Yeh, I actually reread P1-3 just now and felt Quill's entry looked town-ish. Not like MEGATOWN but enough that I'd rather focus on other people. Thinking NotMafia might be scum. CDB definitely might be. 70 just reads SO awkward to me.

Pictures usually mean you want to be liked.

Everyone wants to be liked, you dummy.

My gut says that you need more pressure to see how that changes you. However, at this stage, gut means nothing. I am also looking for who switches their vote and when. Lastly, I want to see you contribute and have strong opinions rather than wishy washy shit.

Wow, this post reads and awful lot like wishy washy shit.

[AngryPidgeon]

Mastin, talk to me about a CDB, Quake, Not_Mafia team. I think its plausible.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh wait literally all 3 of those people are on Quill? Bleh. I mean I realize Quill is an easy place to vote, but damn.

[AngryPidgeon]

Actually I'm tempted to just vote quill lol.

[mastin2]

Well...this is awkward.

So, my line of communication is third-hand. My grandfather (who is prone to error) was the one delivering the news. Which he relayed to my father. And my father relayed it to another family member. And I got the info through that family member. So, a day after I heard the news and had already began to make plans, well...

Good news is, my grandmother's apparently fine. My grandfather thought she was much worse than she apparently is, as the nurse attending her on Monday informed my family of.

Bad news is, of course, that this scare means that I'm going to be on my guard for it potentially not being a false alarm next time. I've marked myself as being V/LA until the end of the month. She might be fine, she might not be; we'll have to wait and see, and my status is similarly wait-and-see.

That was all really vague, any chance you could expand on those point/reads?

Chance, yes. Probability, no. I'll do what I can later.

P.S I thought I saw a wolf in your avatar and when I quoted this post I realised that there is no wolf. I like wolves and I am disappointed, what are you going to do about this?

I actually do have an account with a wolf avatar, though the great rollback mighta caused the avvy to be lost. (A modding account I've yet to use.) As for my normal avatar, it's Zorbak, a Moglin (anthropomorphic blue bunny), just modified to be a part of the Cult of UberNinja. Right now, though, it's changed, for ~reasons~ that are highly entertaining but largely in-jokey. (It'll be back to normal in a few months or so.)

zar starts townreading me right after some strong players say they town read me

no thank u

VOTE: zar

actually i jumped the fucking gun there

VOTE: chamber

And people wonder why Kid A is a strong townread.

mastin what's so terrible about the Quill wagon?

and also why is that you think Not_Mafia's 244 is "not scum banter"?

Because it looks like a bad wagon, and the banter between Not Mafia and Egg feels town-town?

Quill's reads are a little more sheepish of me than I would prefer, but skimming the reasons, they do on a glance look town.

For the record--Formerfish could actually be scum.

Where are you getting this from? To me, it just looks like you chose a random number of mafia to be on your wagon. Why exactly one? Not two?

Gut feeling, along with an analysis of the players on it. The only name on there I find remotely scummy is CDB.

Mastin, talk to me about a CDB, Quake, Not_Mafia team. I think its plausible.

Quake, sure. CDB, probs. But Not_Mafia doesn't seem like it. Doesn't feel right.

I'm looking at Antihero (who remains solidly meh to me--dunno why. I guess I'm not finding inherent problems with him, yet am expecting...a greater wow-factor, I guess?) and Formerfish as possibles.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm looking at Antihero (who remains solidly meh to me--dunno why. I guess I'm not finding inherent problems with him, yet am expecting...a greater wow-factor, I guess?) and Formerfish as possibles.

Ya.

I think I have townreads of decreasing magnitude (roughly) on:

KidA, Lia, mastin, Egg, Zar, Chamber.
Fish/Notmafia are still kind of meh.

Leaving Quake, antihero, quill, CDB.

TBPH I could quite easily see antihero/quill/quake being a team.

[AngryPidgeon]

i hate the quill wagon because of earthquake
and i hate the earthquake wagon because of quill

Posts like this are just reinforcing that thought for me.

[AngryPidgeon]

Quill's reads are a little more sheepish of me than I would prefer, but skimming the reasons, they do on a glance look town.

I was staring at those for a while. "Player X WAS town but has been lacking recently" seems to be a motif in that reads list. the only town read Quill seemed comfortable with was Notmafia. I want to think this hesitance to hand out town reads is scummy, but Im unsure. The notmafia one didnt even have any logic attached to it and it was the one Quill was actually NOT paranoid/waffly about so meh.

[Antihero]

hey mastin

say that the sky is on fire and that obama was born on mars and see how long it takes AP to agree with you

[Not_Mafia]

Mastin and AP are a de facto double voting hydra at this point

[mastin2]

I think I have townreads of decreasing magnitude (roughly) on:
KidA, Lia, mastin, Egg, Zar, Chamber.
Fish/Notmafia are still kind of meh.
Leaving Quake, antihero, quill, CDB.

Your reads order is weird. Mine's KidA, Chamber, You, Lia, Egg, NotMafia, Quill, leaving Quake/Antihero/CDB/Fish.

hey mastin

say that the sky is on fire and that obama was born on mars and see how long it takes AP to agree with you

To be fair:
BSing is practically a living of mine. I could probably make a really, really,

really

convincing argument for both of those, with a little research prep time and some heavy narrative weaving.

[Antihero]

For the record--Formerfish could actually be scum.

oh geez, i wonder where i heard that before...

my reads probably aren't any worse this game than usual and because you, specifically, won't listen to them (and AP's cheerleading it), that means that

I'M

lacking some sort of "wow" factor

[AngryPidgeon]

Ssshhh, let me have my moment. Mastin and I are not buddies, contrary to what our posting here may imply. We really are more like arch-nemeses that respect each other a lot. She is the Lucille Austero to my Lucille Bluth. I the magneto to her Professor X.

Us not having game-breaking paranoia about each other is something I just wanna soak in and enjoy since this hasn't happened since I can remember. Hell, hte last time I remember us working together was GoW mafia like a year ago where we both Died on N1 anyways and it took me threatening to out mastin's cop ceumb to get her to trust me.