NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[AngryPidgeon]

Because only one remotely interesting thing happened and I'd rather get your unbiased opinion of that anyways than spoil it for you

[Damon_Gant]

Coasting on a Luca vote is just bad.

@DG: You joined in 2010. Why don't you know this?

Same thing goes for Anx.

I'm totally serious too. We are actually debating over voting someone that has 1 post and 1 naked BW vote.

I think the PK issue needs addressing though.

Look damn it, you're making me break the promise I made in my last post within 20 minutes! Perhaps the fact I joined in 2010 is precisely

why

I know it's the right thing to do to have my vote on Luca. I may be rusty, but I do know what I'm doing. Like I said, I need to give some opinions some other players whilst I wait for Luca to post meaningfully and now it will be my

next

post that does that, but my vote is fine where it is.

[pisskop]

I think the PK issue needs addressing though.

che cosa?

[Zdenek]

Vote Talah

I could still go this way.

[Mister Rogers]

I think the PK issue needs addressing though.

Pisskop? Did I miss something specific?
Do you think aptil votes are just as useless/bad as luca votes? I mean I guess aptil has slightly more content, but I see a slew of people voting both of these players who, imo, are lurking and nullville.

Ya I mean holy crap unless we decide we are going to wagon these prod dodgers to lynch unless they contribute. Odds are there is scum in that lurker list (if you count ALL of the lurkers) but its really a crap shoot.

But its not like the wagon will be helpful because its on a lurker and our D2 will lack a beneficial wagon to analyze.

Aptil is not any better than Luca.

We should be able to do better than a crap shoot and I bet we have better odds in the lurker voters.

[Mister Rogers]

Vote Talah

I could still go this way.

Who are your top scum reads?

[Mister Rogers]

I think the PK issue needs addressing though.

che cosa?

The divergence between your description of Luca & DG's. He pretty much called you out as being, well, a fibber.

[pisskop]

Oh, and did you go and look at

my

game?

Luca is less active here, but there's also more players and its a different season.

[pisskop]

Checked Luca's meta - Luca pretty much doesn't have a meta, with as far as I could see, only 1 finished game to speak of. None of Luca's posts from that one game read as scummy as the one post Luca has here. I reiterate - I'm happy with my vote.

Luca - aside from my one game with him where he was a dead tortoise until day02 (where he became very active) I have no reason to townread him. He doesn't have enough completed games to meta. So Newbie 1462.

You.

[Damon_Gant]

I think the PK issue needs addressing though.

che cosa?

The divergence between your description of Luca & DG's. He pretty much called you out as being, well, a fibber.

also, for a player who says this:

Mastin's play continues to be very bleh. Giving garbage reads, and now trying to spoonfeed us what his meta is. That's not going to work - when I have time tonight I'll be looking at Mastin's meta for myself. It does need doing, because of the unorthodox playstyle - but I'm not going to be told by the player himself what his meta is, and essentially that his meta this game corresponds with his meta for town.

And then doesn't meta Luca.

My experience with Luca is as a lurker/very unhelpful player until later

and additionally there are better fish in the sea to eyeball.

Checked Luca's meta - Luca pretty much doesn't have a meta, with as far as I could see, only 1 finished game to speak of. None of Luca's posts from that one game read as scummy as the one post Luca has here. I reiterate - I'm happy with my vote.

Wow, it's like two people are reading the same thing and have entirely different opinions.

@Damon- Do you agree/disagree with the bolded Pisskop statement?

First it should be noted that pisskop was playing the completed game with Luca in (Luca was town, pisskop was scum), and so having been in it he has more of a feel for the game as a whole compared to me who just read through Luca's ISO. That being said, I generally disagree with pisskop's bolded statement. Luca would admittedly fall away from the game for days at a time, but his posting was ok if not inspiring. He contributed much more to the early game than he has here, and also did not prod dodge as he has here.

[Zdenek]

Vote Talah

I could still go this way.

Who are your top scum reads?

There's too many people I don't have a handle on for me to make reasonable list at this point.

[Mister Rogers]

Too tired must sleep.

The one thing that is burning in my mind is:

Pere should not be allowed to sideline, posting helpful read guidelines & screaming about BJC. This without actual scum hunting is scummy.

PEDIT: @ZD -- I want to puke.

[Mister Rogers]

So you want to vote someone that isn't scum?

[Zdenek]

So you want to vote someone that isn't scum?

I'm not sure why your asking me this, but, no.

[AngryPidgeon]

I mean. PV could be scum, but Id rather leave him alone for today? This is pretty par for the course PV. Hes engaging in things that are interesting to him (imo). His scumread on bjc isn't scummy, just probably wrong?

I did headdesk a little at his post where he sorted everyone in the game by post count though >.>

[Plessiez]

It's day 1. Deadline for the day is March 28th, 21:59 UTC. That's (expired on 2014-03-28 17:59:48).

Vote Count 1.9

aptil [3 votes] (projectmatt, DeasVail, talah)
pisskop [3 votes] (bjc, Luca Blight, Zdenek)
Yates [2 votes] (Nero Cain, pisskop)
Luca Blight [2 votes] (Damon_Gant, 4nxi3ty)
Damon_Gant [2 votes] (SnowStorm, mastin2)
PeregrineV [2 votes] (Yates, RachMarie)
talah [2 votes] (AngryPidgeon, Mister Rogers)
4nxi3ty [1 vote] (ThAdmiral)
bjc [1 vote] (Peregrine V)
mastin2 [1 vote] (BipolarChemist)

1 player is not voting

: {aptil}

With

20

players alive it takes

11

votes to lynch somebody or to go to night.

[bjc]

Too tired must sleep.

The one thing that is burning in my mind is:

Pere should not be allowed to sideline, posting helpful read guidelines & screaming about BJC. This without actual scum hunting is scummy.

PEDIT: @ZD -- I want to puke.

I think I agree with this.

[pisskop]

Too tired must sleep.

The one thing that is burning in my mind is:

Pere should not be allowed to sideline, posting helpful read guidelines & screaming about BJC. This without actual scum hunting is scummy.

PEDIT: @ZD -- I want to puke.

I think I agree with this.

You're a terrible person.

List why you think this.

[Yates]

@Yates: You are using generalizations to say, "naww, this can't be"

Yeah. I think I'm done talking to you. No one is really this obtuse.

*EDIT: I'm glad to see 459. I was about to lose my nut [and actually voted you].

You realize that daytalk isn't the only way this could have been orchestrated, right? And that this could have been preplanned in twilight - as many gambits are? That said; daytalk would certainly be a facilitator. As would a neighborhood...

And I didn't really take a "statistical approach" to explain why ZD-Chem was null. I just don't know how else to make this point more obvious outside of "sniff test."

Also, you are aware of the Town motivation, yes? I pretty much touched on it in my response to Zdenek.

The object was for the replacement to come in already under suspicion/pressure (such as it was) and see how they reacted (if at all).

Fair enough. I kinda like it, actually. What do you think about pisskop's replace in?

But, good to see the passion.

You knew I wasn't going to let an "out of game reasons" vote slide.

I think hes been lurking.

Lurking? I'm pretty sure I've posted every day. My post count isn't huge but my content per post should speak for itself. Is there something you think I'm ignoring/hiding [which is why I assume most people lurk]?

Why do you think it is a fake scum claim?

I'm not saying he isn't scum [obvs]. I'm saying he is now claiming it was a fake scum claim as per:

So my question here is why the above fake-claim/joke is okay while mine isn't?

I watch the follow-up posting for signs of scum-claim followup or town posting, since any of that can alleviate the above crappy RVS.

I agree with all of this. I'm not one of the people claiming bjc is scum for his fake claim. I said I don't like the play - and I don't for all the reasons I've outlined in my previous post. BUT I also told ThAd [who is the one calling it scummy] "I think you are overstating how scummy it is." I also went on to say "Perfectly acceptable reason for an RVS vote. Not a great point to build a case on, though." It's all in post 217, which you quoted. If you're asking for my

read

on it? Null. *shrug* He hasn't really posted since defending himself. Actually, he more defended his action than himself by trying to equate it to another joke. So there's not much to go on here. I feel like there's too much energy going into these null tells [fake scum claim and fake vig]. I'm guessing we'll find a scum driver on at least one.

So, my take on the ENTIRE DAYVIG scenario:
Creates a null-read on Zdenek (as in, it does not affect how I read him either way).

Creates a null-read on Chemist (as in, it does not affect how I read him either way).

Amen. Amen. Amen.

UNVOTE: PereV

Especially given the difficulty I in separating his scum and town games to begin with.

I will take this as a compliment! Tell you what; Nero, Pere, Mastin, Rach, ThAd, and AP have all been scum with me, against me, or as mod for me. Some of them have seen me a LOT. If one of them raises a meta concern? I'll address it.

He has one vote (mine) and 9000 people townreading him.

You know what?

I think I agree with this.

VOTE: bjc

@bjc

- Is voting for you the only way to extract content?

[ThAdmiral]

271 is odd because I wouldn't expect 'gut-feels' to have the impact that they did on ThAd's reads.

I would very much like Thad to address this.

My response is: why not? Gut feels are some of the most compelling reasons to change an opinion. When I started playing I used to not trust them but now I consider them a valuable tool.

It's probably, you know, his lack of content.

not true. Sure I'm not doing what the majority is doing (flooding the thread with quote stripes and readslist), but I'm still throwing ideas out there and interacting with multiple people.

I haven't seen you take one firm position on anyone or anything.


I'm still a bit behind, up to page 18.

[ThAdmiral]

Bjc townread

I believe there is more credit to the townreads based on his first post than some people think. Actually consider it.

Scum generally want to avoid attention. This already makes his post quite undesirable for scum, and I think that someone fairly new (as bjc seems to be) would be especially hesitant to do something so potentially controversial. The other scum option is to attract attention, and use it to create early townreads on oneself (e.g. by claiming scum and then making it clear it was a reaction test and 'scumhunting' from it). However, the posts that follow his 'scumclaim' seem to suggest that he isn't trying to look good, but at the same time, the fact that he actually scumhunts from it leads me to conclude that he's genuinely scumhunting while not being showy about it as I feel scum would be.

I just want to point out here that he has succeeded in avoiding attention. He has one vote (mine) and 9000 people townreading him.

Yeah I think next time I'm scum I'm going to claim scum at the start of the game and then just ride the townread wave all the way to victory.

oh lordy this game is making my eyes bleed. It's going to be tough for players to catch up and dig for scum interactions if this keeps up. (imma take a break from posting in this thread til tomorrow night, take some time to actually read shit instead of skimming, and hopefully make some room for some less active players to get involved)

yeah AP, I don't see anything wrong with DV's other reads - yet there's bound to be scum sidling up to my lynch by now - why I want to hear more from him to make sure.

pisskop and roger attacks were fairly reasonable, guts undecided on thad.

More strong stances form 2nxi6ty.

Can we just wagon someone please? At this stage I don't even care if it's me.

Instead of yourself how about joining me on the anxiety wagon?
The bonus is he's actually scum!

How can I be the only person voting him?

[bjc]

I think I agree with this.

You're a terrible person.

List why you think this.[/quote] And you're a moron.

I also have no clue why you're calling me a terrible person.

I think I agree with this.

VOTE: bjc

@bjc

- Is voting for you the only way to extract content?

No... Not at all.

Are you voting me because you think I'm scummy or just to be stupid?

[pisskop]

BeetleJuiCe is fitting Stop your nonsense and make contents.

I think I can go for an anxiety wagon.

vote: 4nxi3ty

and still dont feel completely safe around Rogers.

[projectmatt]

Okay, I'm not gonna lie guys - these wall posts are going right through me. They aren't influencing my reads at all but just making this game difficult to shift through. This is completely my fault, so I'll try to regroup tomorrow and get some things done here.

[projectmatt]

Also it's my scumday so I need to go out and get drunk and do all those cool scumday things.