Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

dear dumb fuck,

you are blatantly wrong

everything you've said is bullshit

the reason you're not backing up your statements is because you'd have to prove you're a lying scum fuck

so you're not going to do it, you're just going to keep pretending you have a point when i've shown you're lying

you claimed you had issues with me all game; anyone can ctrl+F your ISO and see you're lying

you claimed i've ignored you when you brought it up; i showed you're blatantly lying about this

ffery told you you're wrong, you're ignoring that and continuing to do nothing

how the fuck people don't see this is beyond me

[zMuffinMan]

like, if you were town, and you really thought you had a point here

you wouldn't be playing like this

you'd be doing everything to yell down my lynch or show that i'm lying

but you can't

because you're the one that's lying

and you're pushing bullshit to make it look like you're doing something

and when you get called out on it you whine about how it's too much effort to do it

but the real reason is that you can't

[pirate mollie]

dear loser pathetic scumfuck,

I am not wrong. no, everything
that I have said is not bullshit
it will probably just take a few
for people to see the light
if they ever do. I have hope
altho not much these dayz.
I attempted to engage with
you in an effort to mebbe rethink
my read on you but then I
realised I was talking to scum
so no I am not going to waste
my time.
like this cutesy shit is as far
as I will go but even that
is going to get old quick.
you can lynch me and then
you will be faced with the
aftermath which will cheer
my heart. so keep trying
all that you will be left with
is a blubbering plan of
lynching *whoever* and I
will find that funny.

even less love than I had before,
mollie

[pirate mollie]

like, if you were town, and you really thought you had a point here

you wouldn't be playing like this

you'd be doing everything to yell down my lynch or show that i'm lying

but you can't

because you're the one that's lying

and you're pushing bullshit to make it look like you're doing something

and when you get called out on it you whine about how it's too much effort to do it

but the real reason is that you can't

there is this thing called

projection

which I actually consider a scumtell

jesus christ will people stop being pussies and lynch muffina already

[zMuffinMan]

for some reason, people keep calling you town

and their arguments seem to be something along the lines of, "oh, she did town things"

and when i point out that this is in fact wrong, no one seems able to come up with anything that you've done that's town.

you HAVEN'T had strong stances on anything this game except for POSSIBLY the aegor lynch and just recently your suspicion of me (funny coincidence i just noticed; both of these came after the person in question was suspicious of you). D1 your stances on things were non-existent apart from throwing town reads out here and there. D2, too short to really tell but nothing of note in your posts there. D3, same deal, which people should be paying more attention to given you had a weak/non-existent stance on the scum lynch that day, but whatever.

by and large, you've active lurked your way through the entire game (i don't know how much content you've posted in the neighbourhood, but your in-game play has basically consisted of providing as little content as possible, not making any waves, and coasting)

[zMuffinMan]

like, you have been blatantly proven wrong

it's been shown you have no point

but

you don't care

because you're not interested in finding scum

only coasting and looking like you're doing something

[pirate mollie]

erm no

I have had strong stances in this game so who is lying now

I had suspicions on flandre but I was letting mac take d1 so he can could get into the game cos if I don't he never will. RL happened to him and I was sorry to lose him.

I have a point no matter how much you try to deny it.

I care. I want you lynched and your ceaseless rewriting history just confirms you as scum in my eyes.

but people will see the light. I believe.

[pirate mollie]

also people are probs ignoring your "MOLLIE ISN'T TOWN OMG" points cos they are pretty stupid only I don't think you are stupid I think you are scum.

[Venmar]

*FUCKING TUMBLEWEEDS. NOTHING BUT TUMBLEWEEDS. TUMBLEWEEDS AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE. AND SOME CRICKETS CHIRPING, TOO*

Heh, well my "townread" on Mollie stems from Gut, the fact she tends to argue pointlessly and stubbornly like this as town (or at least i've done it with her when we've been both town before and this seems like a replica situation of that, a behaviour I think I doubt she'd be able to replicate as scum.), and by PoE her likeliness of being scum is much lower than Skull and Mastin. I'm reading her headlong rush into lynching you as somewhat of a "townish" mindset? Since I doubt scum would try to blindly lynch you over softly or directly wanting to lynch Me, Mastin, or Skull, the main scum candidates throughout the game? I don't know, just an assumption really, point is, I don't feel comfortable with lynching Mollie at all at this point in the game. Muffin, would you be willing to compromise on Skull?

[zMuffinMan]

I have had strong stances in this game so who is lying now

oh, yeah? like WHAT?

D1 who were you strongly pushing? who were you strongly defending? what strong stances on anything did you take?
D2?
D3?
D4 was the first thing that could be called a "strong" stance on anything, and that was you insisting aegor was scum because he was calling you scum
D5 you completely reversed your read on me and started calling me scum and that's as close to a strong stance as you've come this game but even here you're unwilling to really do anything about it

I had suspicions on flandre

OH, YEAH?

COZ CTRL+F OF YOUR ISO

BRINGS UP TWO QUOTES

Spoiler:

What's your opinion of the Flandre wagon.

he isn't ringing any bells either way <---- I am learning to pay more attention to this so unless he comes in and towns it up I am fine with his lynch

1. ActionDan - town
2. Aegor - waffle
3. Angry Frat Bros (BROseidon + AngryPidgeon) - town but his last post and unresponse is weird
4. Gooner Brian Skies - unsure
5. Cabd - I feel is town.
6. Cephrir - town
7. Flandre Scarlet - unsure but mebbe leaning scum
8. Kagami - unsure
9. Kazekirimaru - town!
10. macmollie (mac + pirate mollie) - town!!! \o/
11. MafiaSSK - town!
12. mastin2 - leaning town
13. Metal Sonic - he is being weird in this game in that his reads are fragmented.
14. orcinus_theoriginal - I simply don't know.
15. pieguyn - eh
16. sangres (fferyllt + Nachomamma8) - town even tho nacho is ignoring me!
17. Skullduggery - town town town
18. Varsoon - unsure
19. Venmar - unsure leaning town
20. zMuffinMan - TOWN

AND NO OTHER MENTIONS OF FLANDRE

STRONG FUCKING STANCE YOU WERE TAKING

I have a point no matter how much you try to deny it

clearly state what your "supposed" point/s is/are then

if you're unwilling to back any of your statements up, at least do this so i can utterly destroy you

[zMuffinMan]

the fact she tends to argue pointlessly and stubbornly like this as town

i'm sure she does

i've seen her do it

but every instance i've seen her do it has been totally different to what she's been doing here

do you feel the same emotion she had in arguments with you in other games here? or the same desire to prove her points? or anything like that? coz i don't see it

Since I doubt scum would try to blindly lynch you over softly or directly wanting to lynch Me, Mastin, or Skull, the main scum candidates throughout the game?

you would have a point except i'm not going to be lynched, especially not for reasons she's put forth, and she isn't going to be lynched either. so she doesn't

need

to partake in any of the lynches that might actually happen - she can just coast (which is what she's doing) and then in the next day phases claim omg she was right all along and a muffin lynch shoulda happened days ago etc

she doesn't have to push other mislynches because she's not in any immediate danger

Muffin, would you be willing to compromise on Skull?

thing is, i don't think skull is scum (and i don't think mastin is scum either, just very, very, very, very, very, very wrong)

i am reading your back-and-forths and i don't think their arguments are anywhere near solid but i don't sense any scum motivation in their pushes

i mean, if you really want, i'll go back over this game and break down all my reads in detail (though i... really don't want to have to go back over skull's ISO so i'll do a tl;dr version of that one off memory if need be)

[zMuffinMan]

like here are some tl;dr points for why i think skull is more likely town than scum:

first and foremost, and this could be argued as wifom so granted it's not very strong but, i really do believe that mafiassk tracked him N2 like he claimed to (i think mafiassk was being truthful in his track targets) and skull's reaction to this sorta reinforced my thoughts here

outside of that, i think his play this game has come from a town mindset. e.g. i think he's way off in his assessment of cephrir's ISO, but i think he's looking for the right things, and i get the feeling that he genuinely believes the interactions point to you being scum

also there was some posts d1 that i can't be fucked sifting through walls to find but stuff that originally gave me a town read on him was the way he was approaching the game D1, and there was also something he said about his scum game that i thought looked genuinely town. if i _really_ have to sift through his iso to find it, i will, but ugh, eye cancer

[zMuffinMan]

also some things he was saying either at the end of yesterday or the start of today, i forget which, looked town

might bring up those quotes when i can be bothered

[pirate mollie]

okay so I just iso-ed mssk and oh wow look at who he was distancing from later before he was lynched

also would tracker result show up negative on some1 who was in a neighborhood? cos I don't think so

your whole scheme is collapsing it is just going to take a minute for other people to get there.

also didn't you have cephrir as town

and I don't always shout from the rooftops about my scumreads and I have defo scaled it back after too many heads and you should know this you seem to be incapable of making the shift in analysis and I don't think you are incapable at all.

[zMuffinMan]

NOT TO MENTION that it is another well known fact that ssk does

NOT

like me if I was on a scumteam with him he would have replaced out immediately or he would have bussed me no fucking way would he be okay if we were on the same team. my way of dealing with him is to just ignore him and his snark and do my thing and let other people sort him. actually this may be the first game where he DIDN'T get snarky with me I suppose that should have been a red flag but truth is I am so used to ignoring him it didn't even register

now, even apart from this being kinda bullshit (because if mafiassk had an issue with mollie such that he didn't want to play with her and would replace out, he wouldn't have joined a game with her in it in the first place)

what's super interesting about this is that mollie had literally NO interaction with mafiassk whatsoever, and her first mention of mafiassk is in the D1 reads list she gave (town!) - that was the first AND last mention of mafiassk prior to his lynch unless i'm missing something where she fucked up his name. quite interesting that she somehow formed a strong (enough to include an exclamation mark) town read on him while... ignoring him?

pedit: what a funny coincidence

[zMuffinMan]

okay so I just iso-ed mssk and oh wow look at who he was distancing from later before he was lynched

what? are you referring to the part where i was questioning mafiassk?

also didn't you have cephrir as town

and?

I have defo scaled it back after too many heads and you should know this

how the fuck would i know this? this is the first game i've played with you in it since that game. am i meant to telepathically infer your reasons for being a lurk fuck who isn't playing like she normally plays as town are because of that game?

[zMuffinMan]

o wait i thought that read "you didn't have cephrir as town"

i didn't have cephrir as town

[sangres]

zmuffin,

as you've said, mollie's being townread by most players. The lynch wasn't going her direction or anywhere near it. What's her scum motivation in fighting against the tide?

mollie,

same question about zmuffin.

[zMuffinMan]

didn't i just literally go over that in my response to venmar?

[sangres]

Ffery,

I don't think mollie is scum.

[zMuffinMan]

like, technically the same could be said about me, except i'm not basing a read on completely faulty foundations and then refusing to back up my claims

[zMuffinMan]

nacho

are you following this game? why do you think mollie is town?

[zMuffinMan]

oh, and ffery

in addition to what i already said in response to venmar

think about what mollie is doing atm. she's not trying to get me lynched here, she's just weakly coasting by and because people are town reading her she doesn't have to worry about being lynched (because people seem willing to overlook the blatant lying, the coasting, the everything about her play) for magical reasons

because there's no immediate threat to her, she doesn't need to try. she can let the cards fall any which way she wants to. she isn't going to ever strongly push me because she'll both reveal herself as obvscum (this is why she doesn't want to follow through on backing up any of the shit she's saying) and she'll be completely and utterly lost if she somehow manages to get me lynched

there's no fervor in her posts. she's not, for example, playing like i'm playing and trying to show people why their reads are wrong. and when she got blatantly told by you that she's wrong in her argument, she just shrugged it off, claiming people would see she had a point

she's coasting

because she can

and people are letting her get away with it

so she will continue doing it

[sangres]

Yes.
Because this isn't her scum meta.

[zMuffinMan]

what is her scum meta