NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Snork]

Not to mention that your attacks on me really look like scum trying to make as much noise as possible, because half the shit you make a stink about is like so completely twisted up and makes no sense. Like, you freaked out about the mere thought of being ISO'd...

[ThAdmiral]

This a million times, especially bolded. Snork scum.

If you think I'm scum, you either do not know how to read anyone or you are scum misreading me on purpose.

No I'm reading you perfectly fine, mate.

ThAd lynch would be good too, imo.

ThAd lynch would be good too, imo.

Let's do it.

Vote: ThAdmiral.

"Yo thad's scum for starting a counterwagon, lets start a counterwagon on thad"
???

I don't believe you actually think that is why we voted you.

Please do tell then.

[Snork]

No I'm reading you perfectly fine, mate.

This is a scumclaim.

[ThAdmiral]

lol, keep digging

[AngryPidgeon]

No I'm reading you perfectly fine, mate.

This is a scumclaim.

[Damon_Gant]

Also, ThAd's vote on aptil is at best, really odd. I didn't like that.

Are you thinking Luca-ThAd scum team? talah-ThAd scum team? What? I have to double check but my impression of ThAd is that he'd bus his mother.

Or maybe they're both town and ThAd would like to distance himself from both of their wagons? I can't quite pick apart what the motive was, but I just didn't get it from a town POV. At least when he was on 4nx it seemed like he was on some one-man crusade he did believe in. Moving his vote onto another dead wagon...I don't know, just something doesn't feel right. It feels tokenistic - something I'd attribute to scum rather than town.

Anxiety wagon wasn't going anywhere. On looking back at the game I felt I had a strong case against aptil, furthermore many people had expressed suspicion on him and he was in a lot of people's scum lists. I genuinely thought it had a chance to take off. 3 days is (was) plenty of time. I've seen successful counter wagons formed in less than an hour if the town has its shit together. Once again no one is really saying "no I don't want to lynch aptil" it's all "well I don't want to split the vote". If everyone actually voted instead of wavering we might have been able to push it through.

I don't necessarily disagree with your case on aptil, but I do think it was pretty obvious with the game state the way it was at the time that that was a wagon that was going nowhere.

[Damon_Gant]

You're scummy both for townreading Talah and pushing the Luca wagon; Talah is not fucking townie in the least and to me, you'd have to be stupid, blind or scum to be on any other wagon.

Well to me, you'd have to be stupid, blind or scum to be this short-sighted.

[RachMarie]

Mastin I do understand that you are having issues with reading all the pages, with the consideration of time limit to deadline, maybe just focus on stuff regarding the two main wagons? That should at least give you some reads and something to discuss.

Talah self voting only has one strategic time to use, when you are at L-1 and scum, and wanting to keep them from catching on to your scum budz so you end discussion early by self hammering. Other than that it is a very lame move.

Snork, it has been a rough time, and I suck on D 1, I will pick up the pace D 2. I am still working on reads and in a game this size it does take me a while. I have shared the reads I have so far.

[Yates]

Talah? Self vote? Really? AND an early claim? Le lame...

I don't know why we are talking about other wagons. We have three

VT

claims on the table. THREE. Are we playing "let's see how many claims we can get in one day until we find a PR" mafia? Screw that noise.

We can talk about pisskop, ThAd, Aptl, and Snork TOMORROW.

Talah or Luca. Pick one. Sheesh.

[Snork]

Well to me, you'd have to be stupid, blind or scum to be this short-sighted.

Why is it short-sighted? I know my alignment and I know that he's wrong. Which means either he's scum who is purposely trying to make me a viable lynch option or he's town with extremely unreliable reads. Given his join date and the way people have talked about his experience/skill, which do you think is more likely?

We can talk about pisskop, ThAd, Aptl, and Snork TOMORROW.

Why am I even in this list?

[Yates]

Why am I even in this list?

This a million times, especially bolded.

Snork scum

.

[Snork]

Talah (8): AP, pa, PV, aptil, luca, mastin, talah, snork
Luca (7): pmatt, DG, Nero, DV, RM, Yates, Zd

Not voting luca or talah: snow, ThAd, 4nx, BPC, pisskop

Snow, ThAd is not happening today.
BPC is behind and pisskop has disappeared.

ThAd and 4nx voting aptil with 1 day left to deadline.... are you

trying

to get a NL D1?Honest question...

Nero still never answered my questions to him regarding his attack on MR.

This entire situation is fucked up. Talah is scum and he's going to live another day because the off-wagon voters have already said they aren't interested in voting Talah and aren't even voting the other wagon, so the day could even end with no lynch and that is unacceptable.

I'm done. My vote has been made. If people want to be lazy then so be it. I'm gonna take a closer look at my nulls, and try to sort them out, like DV.

[SnowStorm]

VOTE: talah.

[Damon_Gant]

Well to me, you'd have to be stupid, blind or scum to be this short-sighted.

Why is it short-sighted? I know my alignment and I know that he's wrong. Which means either he's scum who is purposely trying to make me a viable lynch option or he's town with extremely unreliable reads. Given his join date and the way people have talked about his experience/skill, which do you think is more likely?

What? I was responding to:

You're scummy both for townreading Talah and pushing the Luca wagon; Talah is not fucking townie in the least and to me, you'd have to be stupid, blind or scum to be on any other wagon.

Your alignment is irrelevant to this. Your short-sightedness is that you fail to see how people might prefer a Luca lynch to a talah lynch.

Also, talah, if you're town, get that vote off yourself. If you don't want to play anymore, then vote Luca, see how the day pans out and then replace out tomorrow if that's still the case. Don't screw the game up.

As I've said before, I will do what's necessary to avoid a no lynch, and that includes moving my vote to talah. However, for now I see no need to do this and instead would call on those who are not on talah or Luca to choose between these, because we're not lynching anyone else today. A vote elsewhere is a vote for no lynch, which is a horrible outcome for town.

[talah]

UNVOTE: talah
VOTE: Luca

[RachMarie]

Those of you not on the talah or Luca wagons:

Time is short, which of the two would you be willing to switch to, and which would you not be willing to switch to? I would be willing to switch to Talah to prevent a NL.

We need 11 votes for a lynch and time is ticking.

[penguin_alien]

Sorry, almost caught up. Will have opinions to share this afternoon.

[AngryPidgeon]

About 48 hours left. Both wagons are L - 3 by my count.

PA I hope you have something amazing to say.

[Luca Blight]

It's neck and neck!

It's sure to be an exciting finish, even if the right outcome (if there is one) isn't reached! Not sure what more I can do other than reiterate I am indeed a VT, but if you choose to believe Talah over me I will try to not take it personally

[Zdenek]

Back. Reading.

[aptil]

This is getting pretty close to deadline .

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm about 12 hours away from just voting whatever wagon is leading.

[Luca Blight]

You have to question what the purpose of Talah's self-vote was considering he has just changed it back again anyway.

What did he gain from it? Seems like mind games to me.

[talah]

If you are lynched and flip town

, I will try my best to fill the void left by you in this game! :D

I am indeed a VT, but

if you choose to believe Talah over me

I will try to not take it personally :cry

Why are you now talking as though it's a foregone conclusion that one of us is lying?
And why do you feel the need to reaffirm your claim if you were telling the truth in the first place?

You have to question what the purpose of Talah's self-vote was considering he has just changed it back again anyway.

Well, people can either take what I've said at face value, since I've gone about explaining everything I've done when I've been asked to, or you can speculate that there might be other more nefarious and unspecified reasons (which you've just done).

[Luca Blight]

"Why are you now talking as though it's a foregone conclusion that one of us is lying?" - In what way am I doing that? You even highlighted the bit that says you might flip town, which clearly shows that isn't what I'm saying at all. I reaffirmed I am telling the truth because other than that it is out of my hands from here.

You haven't really (as far as I can see) explained why you felt the need to self vote. You say you don't want to play anymore and that one of us needs to be lynched, but I was significantly nearer to being lynched than you at the time, and if you are town I don't see why you wouldn't at least just hold out until I'm lynched and then replace out rather than purposely getting lynched just because you've had enough of the game, and then you just put your vote back at the drop of a hat which undermines everything you said anyway.