Tales of You (Endgame)

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Mastin, will ye join me crew?
I think our reads are almost the same,
Together we can make scum spew,
And it be easy to win this game

I have a fair few town reads cracked,
Tell me what ye think of these,
There's LB, CF, Kagura and Mac
With them I'd sail the seas

RG is a maybe-town read,
But I do not like his play,
And cupcake could be town but he'd,
Be more in an area that's grey

I also see Clyton town,
For the same posts ye quoted,
In our QT I wrote it down,
Before yer 320 was noted

The rest of the game I'm still figuring out,
There's plenty of work to do,
Which is why I will not mess about,
I want ye in me crew

I mostly agree with these reads. My Clyton read has taken some minor hits with his recent posts, but I'm not sure what's bothering me is actually alignment indicative.

How do you feel about cephvail?

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

I quickly re-read through Too Many Heads mafia where Rancid (Nati and Muffin) nailed down Mastin as scum with ease and their strong townread on him here gives me pause. I doubt Mastin would be able to manipulate them into lynching people that townread him. Rancid, I can see why certain things may not make him scum but what's the big picture? Can you elaborate on why he is so obviously town? One thing I noticed you picked up on in Too Many Heads was that Mastin can't replicate "whimsy" as scum. Is he whimsy here? Or has he done anything else that he can't replicate so far?

First things first,
The hydra game was mostly me,
After D1 ended,
There were like two posts by Nati

There are certain things,
I think mastin can't fake,
The way he calls himself town,
Is just the icing on the cake

He tried it in the hydra game,
But he couldn't do it well,
He tried it in the Titans game,
But he still set off bells

I don't profess to have,
Complete accuracy in reading him,
But my opinion is that the chances,
Of a scum flip be slim

I think ye be off,
And should be looking a bit deeper,
His tone comes across as town,
I don't want to send him to the reaper

I could be very wrong,
Mastin could have fooled me,
But none of yer arguments are,
Ones with which I could agree

I can't really go,
Into much more detail,
Itz da feels of it, matey,
I just hope I haven't failed

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

How do you feel about cephvail?

I dunno where me other half,
Be at with his reads,
Our QT is mostly me,
Giving opinions on misdeeds

I think FoxHound be scummy,
Mostly for their tone,
Their content comes across flat to me,
It feels like a dull drone

It feels different from what,
Ceph was like in that large game,
But I don't know if his alignment,
Is why it doesn't feel the same

DV I dunno,
I haven't seen enough,
From what I've seen though,
I'm meh on his stuff

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

I tend not to do more than skim the rhyme posts

How dare ye, ye scoundrel,
My rhymes be amazing,
Not like other boring shit here,
That leaves yer eyes glazing

[fferyllt]

How do you feel about cephvail?

I dunno where me other half,
Be at with his reads,
Our QT is mostly me,
Giving opinions on misdeeds

I think FoxHound be scummy,
Mostly for their tone,
Their content comes across flat to me,
It feels like a dull drone

It feels different from what,
Ceph was like in that large game,
But I don't know if his alignment,
Is why it doesn't feel the same

DV I dunno,
I haven't seen enough,
From what I've seen though,
I'm meh on his stuff

In that game, Ceph was hot and cold
based on what time he could spend
finals and holidays had their hold
And to their dictates his play would bend

I'm reluctant to use the meta tells
I've discussed elsewhen and elsewhere
By now Ceph should do quite well
at hitting those markers square

Null read he is and may stay a fair while
It will take something strong to move it
It's a read that must age in a barrel
With him, the demand is "prove it".

[Breakfast With Sandy]

How do you feel about cephvail?

I dunno where me other half,
Be at with his reads,
Our QT is mostly me,
Giving opinions on misdeeds

I think FoxHound be scummy,
Mostly for their tone,
Their content comes across flat to me,
It feels like a dull drone

It feels different from what,
Ceph was like in that large game,
But I don't know if his alignment,
Is why it doesn't feel the same

DV I dunno,
I haven't seen enough,
From what I've seen though,
I'm meh on his stuff

In that game, Ceph was hot and cold
based on what time he could spend
finals and holidays had their hold
And to their dictates his play would bend

I'm reluctant to use the meta tells
I've discussed elsewhen and elsewhere
By now Ceph should do quite well
at hitting those markers square

Null read he is and may stay a fair while
It will take something strong to move it
It's a read that must age in a barrel
With him, the demand is "prove it".

sigh

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

I dunno where me other half,
Be at with his reads,

Actually, this isn't true,
He's told me where he wants our vote to be,
But I told him to hold it,
So we're playing wait and see

[Mac]

ffery you wanna talk?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Yes.

[Mac]

Where are you with CarbonFiber, Hawkie and Clyton?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Leaning slightly town on CF. There's an F-16 game I want to reread when I have time, where he was town and came under some suspicion early on. It was a smaller game, though. Would also like to hunt up a game where he was suspected early on as scum. I think there was an open game where that happened. He was at LYLO with bert in that game if I'm remembering correctly.

Has prohawk posted? I think the posts we've seen so far are 3dicerolling. No completed games with him, so he's on my meta list. I didn't like his posts, though. It felt kind of opportunistic, jumping into the swirl going on with CF, Titan and MastinSSK. Though I think if they're all three town, it's possible scum might sit back, let town choose sides and see what happens.

Clyton I had a pretty strong town read on initially. Although scum sometimes talk positively about their scum game, I got a townvibe from what he was saying.

It faded a little when he talked about it requiring the "system" to sort him.

[The Fox and the Hound]

This paragraph is just really bizarre. I wish you could stop with the "[player who has literally not posted] is town" crap, I'm trying to give you a fair chance here but that isn't helping. The cogdis of your read on PV is also disconcerting.

This is especially concerning.

I can't imagine what could be concerning about that?

(Another helpful hint, you can differentiate legitimate wagons on me from not-right-and-maybe-scumdriven-wagons on me by that factor. There's actually solid reasoning that you just "get" for me being scum? I'm scum. You don't understand the wagon? That's because I'm actually town.)

Half the time, you're aware of how arrogant you are. The other half, you're so arrogant I want to smack you upside the head. This is one of the latter moments.

But again, as I said, I'm not sure if I want their claim now, and while Ceph didn't disagree with my mastinSSK thoughts, he didn't exactly suggest lynching them either, so I'm not exactly sure what he thinks right now.

I'm conflicted. If someone I'd never seen before came out and started playing like mastin has in this game, I would lynch them instantly. Objectively, I think their posts are scummy. They never give reasons for their suspicions, and when they do the reasons are explained really poorly, which is odd for someone who manages to post so many words. I've felt like they were trying to stuff CF into a scumbox at times just like they are accusing CF of doing to them. And I really don't like it when someone has a scumread on me yet can't give one solitary passable reason for it except to quote my posts and add the logical equivalent of "ew". But this is mastin. Spectating Vesperia I had him wrong early on for very similar reasons, and was never able to convince myself the slot was town even when I started getting reasons to. On the one hand, my gut is telling me she's scum, and I've been slowly discovering that my gut is better than my head lately, though in theory having DV's head too should be helping (and, I'm somewhat confident, already is). On the other, players who know mastin better than I do are calling her town and seem to feel pretty strongly about it. And when I've been in situations like that in the past, I have usually been wrong. (I'm also wrong more often than a RNG I'm pretty sure, but whatever. I should go back through my games someday and find out whether this is literally true.)

It's as I said before. You either get that we're town, or you don't. Like, there's no better way to describe it. No tell. No defense. Heck, no role. No play. Nothing changes those. Perhaps those things contribute to the whole. But ultimately, you either understand or you don't.

Excuse me, I'll have to go check my magic 8-ball, since apparently you are impossible to read without the aid of magic. Oh wait, no, I just don't believe you.

I'm really, really, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally not liking Fox/Hound's posting, by the way.

What is the point of continuing to do this? Do you think adding more Es will get us lynched?

I do wonder why mastin didn't just link your iso and call it "ragey" as there are some posts there that can only be called "ragey" if your dictionary defines "ragey" as inquisitive and reasonable sounding.

Because it's not the entirety of his iso that's ragey? I'm too lazy to explain why each and every one of the ones I linked to was ragey, but I CAN select the posts that have the rageyness strongest in them to give you a better idea of what I mean.

This delivery was incredibly lackluster.

Do you think I am wrong about Mastin or should look at anyone else in particular?
Regarding Clyton's posts, they do sound unemotional but I am fairly sure that's his playstyle. I disagree with his view of the gamestate so that's something that should unravel as we get more content from him and he could be looking at it from a different POV.

This really.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally.
Looks like scum manipulation to me. Like. I dunno how to best explain it. This is me, what I do as scum, trying to manipulate specific players? I'm not sure I can explain it better, but I can think of a game that kinda sorta can show what I mean. Read this post, and then read my posts in Too Many Heads, to see what I mean. This is the type of post I made towards the AP/ETL/Guyett hydra in particular, who I was mega-buddying mostly out of fear and necessity.

Do you really? Really really really REALLY really?

You, not able to explain something? Fancy that. I just wish I could tell whether or not that's because you're making shit up.

Suffice to say I continued to want to angrily quotestripe the rest of this post, but I won't bother as it would not be terribly productive.

Bork's posting of

Kagura

feels very town on a re-read. I think by waiting for Nacho, I was missing the obvious. The way Bork engages with arguments gives me strong vibes from the first two Tales games and I didn't feel the same tone when following a scum game of his (We The Purple). His question to NotScience in Post 72 mirrored what FT and I initially wondered as well regarding NotScience's read on SSK. I also like his engagement with Rancid in Post 472 and it matches up with the critical thinking and assertively inserting himself into arguments that I've seen in Tales of Vesperia where he engaged Cait Sith on their arguments very specifically going over the details and he comes acrosss the same way tonally. I feel I was kinda missing the obvious with this read here. ffery, do you think I am on the right track? Because I'd probably bank more on my townread here than other previous reads which are growing a lot more stale. I am confident in this read even without hearing from Nacho at all.

I was not feeling as much glorious town light as I was told to expect here, but I'm starting to come around. In particular I think it was 623? where I just was seeing some pretty substantial townposting. I would like Nacho to get in here already, all the same, even though I've recently learned the hard way that I can't read him worth shit.

Also, as this was brought up peripherally at some point, I have made most of our posts thus far.

~Copper/Ceph

[The Fox and the Hound]

I'm reluctant to use the meta tells
I've discussed elsewhen and elsewhere
By now Ceph should do quite well
at hitting those markers square

I've actually been passively concerned about my usual baselines swapping places for a couple games now and potentially getting me in trouble. Simply because playing with people I expect to be able to read me decently well (or who at least are aware of my tropes) should make me more confident when I'm town and less as scum. But I think it's fair to start moving towards throwing those out given ASOIAF, as much as the contrary might benefit me as both alignments. I think I know which of my things still hold to some degree and which are basically dead, though? But I'm not telling anyways~

[CarbonFiber]

Cephrir, why did MastinSSK using a lot of eeee's annoy you? You did the same thing here as town in response to MafiaSSK.

Bork, thanks for the links, I'll take a look at them when I get a chance.

ffery, what are your read on Titan and MastinSSK?

~ F-16

[CarbonFiber]

Also, Tammy I feel there is something missing from your play so far.

~ F-16

[Elementalhawk]

Prod dodge. I thought PH was going to post something, but I guess he didn't get to it.

@Mod - Announcing V/LA for my half of the hydra til Sunday.

- 3dice

[Breakfast With Sandy]

ffery, what are your read on Titan and MastinSSK?

Post 636

[Titan]

Also, Tammy I feel there is something missing from your play so far.

~ F-16

There's actually nothing missing from my play so far, and if I'm the strongest town read you say I am why not ask me or point out what you think is missing?

[CarbonFiber]

It feels like you are saying that if 3Dice is scum, there is probably one scum among the three of us but you are not sure?

Also, you said you had an urge to mediate between townreads. Who specifically were you referring to?

~ F-16

[fferyllt]

It feels like you are saying that if 3Dice is scum, there is probably one scum among the three of us but you are not sure?

I have Titan and Mastin as town and you as a fairly weak town read atm.

And no, I'm not assuming that one of you 3 are scum if 3dice is scum at all.

Also, you said you had an urge to mediate between townreads. Who specifically were you referring to?

~ F-16

Shouldn't be rocket science to figure out, but I am not going to say just yet.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

It feels like you are saying that if 3Dice is scum, there is probably one scum among the three of us but you are not sure?

I have Titan and Mastin as town and you as a fairly weak town read atm.

And no, I'm not assuming that one of you 3 are scum if 3dice is scum at all.

Also, you said you had an urge to mediate between townreads. Who specifically were you referring to?

~ F-16

Shouldn't be rocket science to figure out, but I am not going to say just yet.

I blame the mafblack skin.

[CarbonFiber]

Also, Tammy I feel there is something missing from your play so far.

~ F-16

There's actually nothing missing from my play so far, and if I'm the strongest town read you say I am why not ask me or point out what you think is missing?

I was hoping to ask you once you respond. What I felt was missing is that you didn't have the same presence in the thread as you usually do when you are town like in both of Empire's game and the last Tales game where you controlled the direction and flow of the game. You don't always do it as town but when you do, I know you are town for sure. I was rather hoping you would show up at some point and take charge and point out that my paranoia of you is silly.

The other thing is that your interactions with me were different than what I expected and different from any other game so far. Specifically, when I asked you about Mastin, you agreed with me and then said my posts were "reasonable and inquisitive" but it just didn't have as much conviction and also you didn't comment on the interaction between Clyton and I regarding his thoughts about you and MastinSSK being a dichotomy. I guess I expected you to comment. Also, your interaction with me reminds me of what you said felt off about Sotty7 in Z-mafia regarding how she sorted JasonT1981. I felt that you interacting with me was off in the same way since you usually react differently.

~ F-16

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Also, Tammy I feel there is something missing from your play so far.

~ F-16

There's actually nothing missing from my play so far, and if I'm the strongest town read you say I am why not ask me or point out what you think is missing?

I was hoping to ask you once you respond. What I felt was missing is that you didn't have the same presence in the thread as you usually do when you are town like in both of Empire's game and the last Tales game where you controlled the direction and flow of the game. You don't always do it as town but when you do, I know you are town for sure. I was rather hoping you would show up at some point and take charge and point out that my paranoia of you is silly.

The other thing is that your interactions with me were different than what I expected and different from any other game so far. Specifically, when I asked you about Mastin, you agreed with me and then said my posts were "reasonable and inquisitive" but it just didn't have as much conviction and also you didn't comment on the interaction between Clyton and I regarding his thoughts about you and MastinSSK being a dichotomy. I guess I expected you to comment. Also, your interaction with me reminds me of what you said felt off about Sotty7 in Z-mafia regarding how she sorted JasonT1981. I felt that you interacting with me was off in the same way since you usually react differently.

~ F-16

I said there were things I was mulling over. In the last Tales game day one there was a lull in my work week and it was the only game I was alive in. I was literally able to think about the game and post most of the day and night. You'll notice I even made mention of how much I was overposting. I actually think I was overposting earlier this week because I put off a bunch of work to post here the first day it started! You probably should have waited until tomorrow to worry about something like this because while I have time to keep up in the game during the week and can think on my feet, I really don't have the brain energy right now to think about things I want to look into until the week ends.

I'm also pretty sure that I responded to you while I was at work this morning. That means I posted in between classes what I was thinking! I told you that I was mulling over things and gave you what I could at the time. The reason why I mentioned that thing about Mastin's posts regarding you being ragey was because it was something I saw and thought about just before I fell asleep last night.

Like seriously, I'm very busy lately, and you get what you get when I have the time.

[Titan]

Also, Tammy I feel there is something missing from your play so far.

~ F-16

There's actually nothing missing from my play so far, and if I'm the strongest town read you say I am why not ask me or point out what you think is missing?

I was hoping to ask you once you respond. What I felt was missing is that you didn't have the same presence in the thread as you usually do when you are town like in both of Empire's game and the last Tales game where you controlled the direction and flow of the game. You don't always do it as town but when you do, I know you are town for sure. I was rather hoping you would show up at some point and take charge and point out that my paranoia of you is silly.

The other thing is that your interactions with me were different than what I expected and different from any other game so far. Specifically, when I asked you about Mastin, you agreed with me and then said my posts were "reasonable and inquisitive" but it just didn't have as much conviction and also you didn't comment on the interaction between Clyton and I regarding his thoughts about you and MastinSSK being a dichotomy. I guess I expected you to comment. Also, your interaction with me reminds me of what you said felt off about Sotty7 in Z-mafia regarding how she sorted JasonT1981. I felt that you interacting with me was off in the same way since you usually react differently.

~ F-16

I said there were things I was mulling over. In the last Tales game day one there was a lull in my work week and it was the only game I was alive in. I was literally able to think about the game and post most of the day and night. You'll notice I even made mention of how much I was overposting. I actually think I was overposting earlier this week because I put off a bunch of work to post here the first day it started! You probably should have waited until tomorrow to worry about something like this because while I have time to keep up in the game during the week and can think on my feet, I really don't have the brain energy right now to think about things I want to look into until the week ends.

I'm also pretty sure that I responded to you while I was at work this morning. That means I posted in between classes what I was thinking! I told you that I was mulling over things and gave you what I could at the time. The reason why I mentioned that thing about Mastin's posts regarding you being ragey was because it was something I saw and thought about just before I fell asleep last night.

Like seriously, I'm very busy lately, and you get what you get when I have the time.

Also this is me, and that's my cat. isn't he adorable? Go awwweeeeeeeeeeee!

[CarbonFiber]

Okay, I'll wait to see what your thoughts are when you have the time and are running at full speed. And your cat is adorable, there's no way he is scum.

~ F-16