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Post Post #1250 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:53 pm

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Our issue with kdub's post 1000.
In post 1000, Kdub wrote:
In post 989, hiplop wrote:Kdub was clearly trying to distract town, and basically did next to nothing other than that. He also seemed to be trying to get someone else to crack. He was asking a ton of questions that's purpose seemed to be get town off the madotsuki topic.
Actually, I was mostly talking about Mado/you/SpyreX yesterday, so I'm not sure where you get the "distraction" angle from. I believe you are town, so I'm not going to spend too much effort defending my stance. I maintain that it was reasonable to think Mado's refusal to fullclaim was not scum-motivated, and I was simply wrong about it. It happens.

Spy, did you get any response from the mod about what happened to you last night?

Knowing that there were no redirection issues going on
, I'm now looking back at the N1 Rolodex kill. The fact that scum killed him rather than more town-looking players, along with the fact that nobody really tried to build cases off of Rolodex's reads on D2, makes me think Surye/Quill/Mado is very possible for a scumteam. Someone who doesn't have time to follow along with the game (Surye) and two newer players unfamiliar with player meta (Quill/Mado), I could see making that kill over some of the other players.

I think everyone has posted today, so let's see what's up with morph.
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Post Post #1251 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:57 pm

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But we had no intention of using the gladiator thing. Neither of us feel confident enough in a scum suspect to use it, and I really don't like the idea of potentially giving scum two votes if we weren't able to win the battle.

Yeah, that was one of my issues with kdub's post there. Pless and I were discussing a potential town tell in that post. Either he is town from that post OR he's intentionally faking not knowing something there.
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Post Post #1252 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:59 pm

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I want to know how kdub knew there were no redirection issues.
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Post Post #1253 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:04 pm

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Oh that's something I don't like because it's odd. The potential town tell is something completely different though it has its weaknesses.

I mean, I'd love for kdub to end up being scum because I'd love it if my gut scum read I had was right.
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Post Post #1254 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:10 pm

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Every time you reply to us like you're assuming we're town it freaks me the fuck out.
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Post Post #1255 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:16 pm

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I said that because there was speculation at the time about kill redirection, mostly because Rolodex seemed like an unusual kill choice, and Spy saw a manipulative action used on hiplop. Since that got cleared up with Mado's claim and flip, and I assume someone would have said something if they might have been responsible for redirecting the N1 kill, I think it's safe to assume that scum did in fact target Rolo.

I'd be in favor of a massclaim if doing so could clear one/both of awesome/Porkens.
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Post Post #1256 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:17 pm

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I'd respond but if this is ffery I'm sure we already had this discussion in Tales of Vesperia.

I'm actually not assuming you're town. I think the game makes more sense if you're scum, but I don't know if *you* make sense as scum.
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Post Post #1257 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:21 pm

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In post 1256, Hadrian wrote:I'd respond but if this is ffery I'm sure we already had this discussion in Tales of Vesperia.

I'm actually not assuming you're town. I think the game makes more sense if you're scum, but I don't know if *you* make sense as scum.
This is what you say about us - your more or less official stance. But what you say
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Post Post #1258 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:22 pm

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Well to that, I'll just quote my past self responding to this same type of blah blah blah drivel:
In post 1394, Cait Sith wrote:
In post 1392, Deacon Blues wrote:
In post 1385, Cait Sith wrote:
In post 1384, ProHawk wrote:
In post 1383, Cait Sith wrote:Is anyone actually convinced that they are actually town because I don't see it.
Because Nacho. I need him to come back though.
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Don't let his subtle 'defending' fool you
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I don't understand why you'd say that to someone you aren't townreading.
Why wouldn't you? One of the mistakes that people make time and time again is the "you're not talking to him like a suspect fallacy." You made it when you claimed I wasn't talking to nacho like a suspect the other night when I clearly did and still do suspect him. And you're making it again here with mala. Occasionally you can use this tell to find scum, but it's extremely common to come from town. Town don't know who scum are so things like this happen. People often talk to their suspects in different ways in order to achieve different goals, so getting hung up on this is rather silly and I'm not really sure why you felt the need to rush in and interrupt the flow of mala's interaction with him for this point.

We're not town reading prohawk, which is evident by me earlier saying that we might be interested in a lynch there. Pd is our biggest suspect right now and were trying to work out the rest.
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Post Post #1259 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:27 pm

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But I mean sure let's be pointless for argument's sake. I'm interacting with you about someone I've had as a suspect since early day one. A suspect who if I'm right about him being scum, which I'm not sure I am right, you probably aren't scum with due to behavior ergo you're probably town.

I'm not sure what type of tone you think I'm supposed to take with someone when I'm discussing someone I suspect or hell even when I'm discussing something with someone I do suspect, but it certainly isn't whatever you're imagining I'm supposed to do.
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Post Post #1260 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:36 pm

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In post 1259, Hadrian wrote:But I mean sure let's be pointless for argument's sake. I'm interacting with you about someone I've had as a suspect since early day one. A suspect who if I'm right about him being scum, which I'm not sure I am right, you probably aren't scum with due to behavior ergo you're probably town.

I'm not sure what type of tone you think I'm supposed to take with someone when I'm discussing someone I suspect or hell even when I'm discussing something with someone I do suspect, but it certainly isn't whatever you're imagining I'm supposed to do.
I do something like it intentionally and tactically as town, which is probably why I'm pretty sensitive to it . And the last time I picked up on someone's word choices indicating "I'm talking to town" when they were on record as scumreading me, the player was scum and I didn't stay on it, unfortunately.

This is day 4 and you apparently still haven't nailed your read of us. I think that's a record.
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Post Post #1261 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:02 pm

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I mostly talk to people how I'm feeling in that moment and depending on what I'm responding to. I really wish people would get that. I prefer finding people I can work with and figure out the game. I mean I could give a dissertation on my play and what goes through my head but it wouldn't be helpful and it wouldn't matter to the issue at hand.

It's not a thing to even begin to try to read me on.

I'm not sure if it's a record. In We the Purple, it wasn't until the day before endgame that I really nailed down a scum read on Cabd, though I had him as town early mostly based on Nacho's read. I've already said that I think that your (ffery's if I'm talking to you) feels weird and it could be a product of you being in a hydra with cabd. I mean I could *easily* give a read on you if I knew it. There's a good bit about your play I could push as being scum motivated and not a whole lot I'd be concerned about people looking askance at me about because I don't really see a whole lot of town motivation in your play. There's a tiny corner of your play that doesn't make sense as scum though. So *shrug* but nailing down your alignment is something I don't feel comfortable with right now.
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Post Post #1262 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:24 pm

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In post 1256, Hadrian wrote:I'd respond but if this is ffery I'm sure we already had this discussion in Tales of Vesperia.

I'm actually not assuming you're town.
I think the game makes more sense if you're scum, but I don't know if *you* make sense as scum
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In post 1261, Hadrian wrote:I mostly talk to people how I'm feeling in that moment and depending on what I'm responding to. I really wish people would get that. I prefer finding people I can work with and figure out the game. I mean I could give a dissertation on my play and what goes through my head but it wouldn't be helpful and it wouldn't matter to the issue at hand.

It's not a thing to even begin to try to read me on.

I'm not sure if it's a record. In We the Purple, it wasn't until the day before endgame that I really nailed down a scum read on Cabd, though I had him as town early mostly based on Nacho's read. I've already said that I think that your (ffery's if I'm talking to you) feels weird and it could be a product of you being in a hydra with cabd. I mean I could *easily* give a read on you if I knew it.
There's a good bit about your play I could push as being scum motivated and not a whole lot I'd be concerned about people looking askance at me about because I don't really see a whole lot of town motivation in your play. There's a tiny corner of your play that doesn't make sense as scum though.
So *shrug* but nailing down your alignment is something I don't feel comfortable with right now.
The two bolded bits don't seem to quite agree.

I feel like you've not really made much of an effort to push us in ways that would refine that read.

And on a more global level, whoever is scum in this game, I feel like carrying us to LYLO looked like a good scum tactic prior to our claim. And maybe still does.

I don't know that scum-you would carry us to lylo, though. We can be pretty difficult, though not impossible to mislynch when push comes to shove.

Apropos of nothing, Quill's claim of blocking us looks pretty town. He could have stayed quiet at least initially to see whether we'd twist in the wind today rather than claim the block as a town action right away.
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Post Post #1263 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:33 pm

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*shrug*

I feel like I have. Do you suspect me? I mean do you really really want to say you suspect me?

I mean because if you're going to push some lame as fuck "oh my gods while you were discussing a potential scum tell/town tell in a post your slot had already brought up and mentioned you *sound* like you're talking to me like I'm town blah blah blah" you're going to have to do better than that.

I do think the game makes more sense if you're scum because much of your play is more scum motivated than town motivated. I don't really see your play as trying to figure out the game. I see a lot of *look at me I have gambits! I'm town as fuck! I'm gonna be smug!* and a whole lot less of *let's figure this shit out*. In that regard, I think you're play is scummy as hell and if I were scum I'd be able to push that like a mother fucker. HOWEVER I'm not scum and therefore your play is fucking with my fucking head because while I think you're play is scummy and the game makes more sense if you're scum, I don't know if *you* make sense as scum.

You don't like that? Deal with it.
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Post Post #1264 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:37 pm

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Actually, I don't even get why you're trying to compare the bolded. They're like not even close to being incompatible and even if they were so what. Why are you acting like you've never played with me before?

Also, please tell me this is cabd talking because this surface level these two statements don't match is not something I expect from ffery.
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Post Post #1265 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:39 pm

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In post 1264, Hadrian wrote:Also, please tell me this is cabd talking because this surface level these two statements don't match is not something I expect from ffery.
You know every fucking time somebody says this about us, it's right before they start tunneling the shit out of us when we reply that it was in fact her.

Instead of doing this all over again, can I just link to the same thing you had syr do to us in marketplace?
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Post Post #1266 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:45 pm

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In post 1265, morph the cat wrote:
In post 1264, Hadrian wrote:Also, please tell me this is cabd talking because this surface level these two statements don't match is not something I expect from ffery.
You know every fucking time somebody says this about us, it's right before they start tunneling the shit out of us when we reply that it was in fact her.

Instead of doing this all over again, can I just link to the same thing you had syr do to us in marketplace?
You um probably shouldn't act like "I had syr do that to you" in marketplace considering I was the one constantly linking posts to him telling him it sounded town and was he sure. I was pretty damn dependent on him for that read and the reason we had `you as town once we died was because that was all me.

This also feels like manipulation, so you should probably stop bringing up marketplace. I feel like both of you have played with me enough, and as I've talked about it, you know that when I read someone wrong in a game I tend to have a hard time if I'm suspicious of them in another game.

And let's not forget, this all began because I dared to discuss a post with you and our interpretations of it. I don't know why game after fucking game I still try to discuss reads/posts with you.
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Post Post #1267 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:48 pm

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In post 1265, morph the cat wrote:
In post 1264, Hadrian wrote:Also, please tell me this is cabd talking because this surface level these two statements don't match is not something I expect from ffery.
You know every fucking time somebody says this about us, it's right before they start tunneling the shit out of us when we reply that it was in fact her.

Instead of doing this all over again, can I just link to the same thing you had syr do to us in marketplace?
Yah but every fucking time it's some town player who thinks my play is actually that narrow a spectrum. Except that one time when it was scum-orcinus.
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Post Post #1268 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:53 pm

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In post 1266, Hadrian wrote:
In post 1265, morph the cat wrote:
In post 1264, Hadrian wrote:Also, please tell me this is cabd talking because this surface level these two statements don't match is not something I expect from ffery.
You know every fucking time somebody says this about us, it's right before they start tunneling the shit out of us when we reply that it was in fact her.

Instead of doing this all over again, can I just link to the same thing you had syr do to us in marketplace?
You um probably shouldn't act like "I had syr do that to you" in marketplace considering I was the one constantly linking posts to him telling him it sounded town and was he sure. I was pretty damn dependent on him for that read and the reason we had `you as town once we died was because that was all me.

This also feels like manipulation, so you should probably stop bringing up marketplace. I feel like both of you have played with me enough, and as I've talked about it, you know that when I read someone wrong in a game I tend to have a hard time if I'm suspicious of them in another game.

And let's not forget, this all began because I dared to discuss a post with you and our interpretations of it. I don't know why game after fucking game I still try to discuss reads/posts with you.
I dunno. Maybe we could work on some less pyrotechnic methods of reading each other, one of these games.
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Post Post #1269 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:28 pm

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Sup everyone.
Hiplop died protecting me. I have 48 hours with him in a QT.
He's pretty gung ho about Kdub at the moment.

Additionally today is probably both for massclaim and for hadrian gangbusters. We need to move quick. I request going last in massclaim unless there's a good reason not to (I may have something incriminating).

The worst of my bullshit is over, so I should be more active.

Someone needs to start the process quickly.
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Post Post #1270 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:46 pm

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In post 1269, SpyreX wrote:Additionally today is probably both for massclaim and for hadrian gangbusters. We need to move quick. I request going last in massclaim unless there's a good reason not to (I may have something incriminating).
Actually, I would like to claim last. The reason will be obvious once I claim.
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Post Post #1271 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:52 pm

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And it is somewhat disconcerting that though Pless brought it up, no one has even bothered to look OR to be like hey TamPless what the fuck do you think you see there because I don't see anything.

Noooo we have to have a distraction of "you sound like you're talking to me like town" but let's ignore what you're saying! Because we're not actually trying to figure out anything here!
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Post Post #1272 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:21 pm

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I did look at it. I've assumed that if there is something in that post that makes you think it's a towntell it's possibly role-related, because it's not obvious.

I make note of that kind of stuff to look back at later.

We made sure our concerns about post 1000 were stridently ambiguous, so that it would get another look if we turned up dead. I'd assume town-you would do something similar.
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Post Post #1273 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:51 pm

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In post 1247, Quill wrote:Well, I don't expect this to be well-received, but I'm the reason Morph's redirect didn't work. My role is in part a one-shot roleblocker, and I used it on Morph last night after re-reading the last day or so and starting to wonder if I might be wrong about Kdub. This was sort of hedging my bets. I should have used it on Kdub, but I figured if Morph was scum, they might think they were safe to send the kill because the jailkeeper was dead and the rest of town was too afraid to target them.

In other news, I don't have a dead QT with Hiplop, does anyone else? Seems like a tossup at this point if scum went for him or someone else and he just jumped in front of the right person.

Morph, why the hell are you taking it as gospel that Hadrian should gladiate someone at all? I agree it shouldn't happen later, but it seems terribly risky to do at all at this point.
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Post Post #1274 (ISO) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:03 pm

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In post 1273, Porkens wrote:
In post 1247, Quill wrote:Well, I don't expect this to be well-received, but I'm the reason Morph's redirect didn't work. My role is in part a one-shot roleblocker, and I used it on Morph last night after re-reading the last day or so and starting to wonder if I might be wrong about Kdub. This was sort of hedging my bets. I should have used it on Kdub, but I figured if Morph was scum, they might think they were safe to send the kill because the jailkeeper was dead and the rest of town was too afraid to target them.

In other news, I don't have a dead QT with Hiplop, does anyone else? Seems like a tossup at this point if scum went for him or someone else and he just jumped in front of the right person.

Morph, why the hell are you taking it as gospel that Hadrian should gladiate someone at all? I agree it shouldn't happen later, but it seems terribly risky to do at all at this point.
Do you need to full claim before I do? Answer this question carefully, because I'm feeling a bit motivated to change my reads list here...
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Hiplop died protecting me. I have 48 hours with him in a QT.
He's pretty gung ho about Kdub at the moment.

Additionally today is probably both for massclaim and for hadrian gangbusters. We need to move quick. I request going last in massclaim unless there's a good reason not to (I may have something incriminating).

The worst of my bullshit is over, so I should be more active.

Someone needs to start the process quickly.
I'm just going to go ahead and say that this sounds like a gambit. You kill the BG and claim a QT with him.

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