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Post Post #1325 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:30 pm

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In post 1323, morph the cat wrote:
In post 1316, Hadrian wrote:The game makes more sense if you're scum, but you don't make sense as scum.
How would the game make more sense?
It just would. I can never explain that when it comes to that. In Attack on Titan, I spent a good portion of day one defending Falcon!scum until I hit a point where I couldn't really give a reason for why he was scum but realized the game only made sense if he was scum. Once Mastin replaced in to the slot he gave me a load of shit because I couldn't explain it, it was just something that made sense for the game. Once I realized the game made more sense with him as scum, I felt settled a bit.

That's why it's fucking with my head so much because at the same time that I think the game makes more sense with you as scum, I don't think you make sense as scum. I can't get settled about it.
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Post Post #1326 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:34 pm

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In post 1325, Hadrian wrote:
In post 1323, morph the cat wrote:
In post 1316, Hadrian wrote:The game makes more sense if you're scum, but you don't make sense as scum.
How would the game make more sense?
It just would. I can never explain that when it comes to that. In Attack on Titan, I spent a good portion of day one defending Falcon!scum until I hit a point where I couldn't really give a reason for why he was scum but realized the game only made sense if he was scum. Once Mastin replaced in to the slot he gave me a load of shit because I couldn't explain it, it was just something that made sense for the game. Once I realized the game made more sense with him as scum, I felt settled a bit.

That's why it's fucking with my head so much because at the same time that I think the game makes more sense with you as scum, I don't think you make sense as scum. I can't get settled about it.
Then there's a scum team I fit in with - a scum team that includes madot.

And either my role claim doesn't make sense, or it looks like a scum role claim. Even if we were scum with Quill, we could not have anticipated we'd be jailkept on night 1 and possibly on night 2, so I think that at least part of our role claim has to be taken at face value.

So, what puzzle pieces fit with that?
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Post Post #1327 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:36 pm

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In post 1320, morph the cat wrote:
In post 1280, Hadrian wrote:aun: we full-claimed in , yes.
In post 1278, awesomeusername wrote:@Hadrian: The problem with your power (why we need you to use it today) is that if 1) you're scum, 2) we mislynch today, and 3) you still have your power, we'll be in 5-person lylo and you can use your power on your buddy. Then one of you will die but the other will have 2 votes going into the next day, which has 3 people, so you auto-win. So basically we need to either kill you, clear you, or make you use your power TODAY.
Hmm. That's actually a good point.

That said, if we are going to use the gladiate today, I'd rather people vote for who we use it on rather than simply have us pick unilaterally. (
My vote would be for one of kdub or Morph, I just can't decide which -- hopefully the mass-claim gives us something more to work with.
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I was talking about this post, btw.
Well, Pless is more working with what other people are saying. Neither one of us want to use the gladiate. We talked about that when we first got the role and it's something we've reinforced as the game's gone on. If we both had a scum read we felt really good about, we'd use it I think, or at least I would, but we can't really think of a protown use of the role. I've suspected kdub since day one, though admittedly for some wrong reasons, and I might be wrong about that, but all of Pless' possible partnerships that make sense have kdub in it. Though Pless and I both scumhunt and view things in a different fashion, so. I think where he's mentioning you guys is that he is, we are, somewhat suspicious of you, though not overly but there are corners of your play that has us wondering. I mean if Pere had flipped scum, we'd be having you practically confirmed town right now, but he didn't, so yeah, I feel like I'm rambling right now.
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Post Post #1328 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:49 pm

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In post 1326, morph the cat wrote:
Then there's a scum team I fit in with - a scum team that includes madot.

And either my role claim doesn't make sense, or it looks like a scum role claim. Even if we were scum with Quill, we could not have anticipated we'd be jailkept on night 1 and possibly on night 2, so I think that at least part of our role claim has to be taken at face value.

So, what puzzle pieces fit with that?

I mean our role could be a scum role. In Anything Goes, Mastin had a scum gladiator; it's not unheard of. Highshroomish was a jailkeeper; he could have been scum too by role.

I'm not sitting here going oh hey they're lying about their role, or their role has to be scum. I'm looking at what you've tried to do with your role, and what you've done isn't necessarily alignment irrelevant. Maybe if you guys were someone who were careful scum players, but you're not.

I just think that you're just going to have to either accept that I'm feeling contradictory and having problems or you're not. If you read me as town, then you can feel somewhat secure that I'm trying to figure it out. I'm not out to get you or to gladiate you. Like I'd almost rather us be lynched today than actually go through with the gladiator process, and I realize that anyone could say that and with how much I hate even the thought of being mislynched it might sound weird, but it's how much I really don't want to use my role.

what I can say is that I really wish I felt good about something this game, but I don't and I hate that.
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Post Post #1329 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:52 pm

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I'm getting weird vibes from the way Porkens is trying to direct and defuse the massclaim, so I'm going to claim now to a) destabilize that if my read is wrong and he really is scum and b) keep us from drowning in the back-and-forth between Hadrian and Morph that isn't seeming to help anyone but them.

In addition to what I've already claimed, I'm a
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I think I should leave my N3 target a secret for now, but if they claim it I'll confirm.
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Post Post #1330 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:56 pm

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I've only ever seen a town motivator.

But Quill - How are you a motivator who also roleblocked morph last night?
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Post Post #1331 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:59 pm

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I tried to explain our approach to our role earlier. We have been trying to use our role as an investigative thing, not a sow-crazy-shit thing, which redirectors and bus drivers tend to do.

We're thinking like a tracker or a roleblocker, except rather than choosing and tracking the right scum to a dead body. We're trying to direct the right scum (the one making the kill) to what we think is a protown target. And that changes day by day, regardless of whether our scum reads change or not.

If you're expecting us to target our strongest scumread you're expecting us to think like a vig I guess. If you're expecting our reads to stay static from day to day, then I don't really know what your model of our play is based on.
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Post Post #1332 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:08 pm

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I don't know your role or how it would be like a robleblocker or a tracker. I mean I've read your role claim, but i don't understand how it works like that.

As far as expecting a read to stay static. I don't. Hell, my reads are likely to change by the minute I wouldn't expect other people's reads to stay constant but there are some people I expect to leave some sort of trace or pattern or how their read changes.
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Post Post #1333 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:20 pm

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Again - we were using the role in the same way we'd use tracker or roleblocker -
to target the player we thought would make the kill if they were scum
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I'm not sure what's unclear about our tactic. Maybe bolding will help.
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Post Post #1334 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:22 pm

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In post 1330, Hadrian wrote:I've only ever seen a town motivator.

But Quill - How are you a motivator who also roleblocked morph last night?
I got a one-shot roleblock with my motivator ability. Like how Morph is a Redirector-Post Restriction Giver or whatever it was.
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Post Post #1335 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:25 pm

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Not exactly how. One target - the person we redirect - also gets the post restriction, every time we successfully redirect.
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Post Post #1336 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:06 pm

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Vote Count 4.02:

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

morph the cat (L-3): awesomeusername
Porkens (L-4):
Quill (L-4):
SpyreX (L-4):
awesomeusername (L-4):
Kdub (L-3): Porkens
Hadrian (L-4):

Not Voting: morph the cat, Quill, SpyreX, Kdub, Hadrian

V/LA:

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-04-17 20:17:36)
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Post Post #1337 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:19 pm

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In post 1329, Quill wrote:I'm getting weird vibes from the way Porkens is trying to direct and defuse the massclaim, so I'm going to claim now to a) destabilize that if my read is wrong and he really is scum and b) keep us from drowning in the back-and-forth between Hadrian and Morph that isn't seeming to help anyone but them.

In addition to what I've already claimed, I'm a
Motivator
, with the ability to amplify other players' abilities in an unknown way. I've used my ability all three nights. The first time around I used it on HighShroomish, on a whim. When that whim seemed to pay off with the jailkeeper reveal, I used it on him again, although obviously it didn't work the second time on account of being dead. I have no idea exactly what my motivation did to HS, but based on the events of the game, it seems to have either doubled the amount of time Morph was jailkept or given HS an extra jailkeep to use over Night 2. I'm open to other possibilities.

I think I should leave my N3 target a secret for now, but if they claim it I'll confirm.
Fine with me.

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Post Post #1338 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:58 pm

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So I'll do this halfway:

I'm Go. Alternating Voyeur/Follower - I dont see WHO, just what type(s) of abilities they get targeted with.

N1 I voyeured Hiplop and saw the Manipulative action.

N2 & 3 wait until the end unless you're gonna reaaaalllly say I'm scum and this is all a great ruse.

Hiplop protected KDub N1 and me N2 and N3.

He's saying the scum are Kdub and Username and morph is being setup for a lynch.

Lets get this part done so we can move on. The quote striped walls are killing my soul
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Post Post #1339 (ISO) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:46 pm

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Quill, what board game did you pick?
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Post Post #1340 (ISO) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:25 am

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Quill, I don't quite understand your role. Is your one-shot roleblock a separate action from your motivate? And if so, that means you performed multiple actions last night?
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Post Post #1341 (ISO) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:35 am

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:wink:
In post 1333, morph the cat wrote:Again - we were using the role in the same way we'd use tracker or roleblocker -
to target the player we thought would make the kill if they were scum
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I'm not sure what's unclear about our tactic. Maybe bolding will help.
Nope! It certainly doesn't help to bold it when the problem isn't my inability to read, but me not understanding *HOW* your role works that way.
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Post Post #1342 (ISO) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:36 am

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I'm not sure where that smilie came from. It must be an attack of the phantom smilies or something.
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Post Post #1343 (ISO) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:55 am

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In post 1341, Hadrian wrote:
In post 1333, morph the cat wrote:Again - we were using the role in the same way we'd use tracker or roleblocker -
to target the player we thought would make the kill if they were scum
.
Nope! It certainly doesn't help to bold it when the problem isn't my inability to read, but me not understanding *HOW* your role works that way.
Um. Actually Tammy, I think Morph's original post is pretty clear here?

Not sure the bolded stuff makes it any clearer though. I think it helps more if you just ignore the "tracker or roleblocker" stuff entirely. Morph is saying that they decided to try use their role to catch the scum player sending in the kill. And that this is why they didn't target username twice in a row -- they figured that. after what happened on day 3, a hypothetical scum!username would be less likely to send in the kill.

(I mean, there's more I could say about morph's posts here but since everyone else in the thread seems pretty sick of this whole exchange I figured it could wait until after the mass-claim is done.)
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Post Post #1344 (ISO) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:59 am

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I get that part. I don't understand how their role acts like a VIG/roleblocker and how targeting the killer would out them.
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Post Post #1345 (ISO) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:35 am

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I'm a
Vote-Betting Role Cop
. I can target a player each night, and I receive a copy of their role PM. If I target scum, however, I secretly lose my vote the next day.

It should be pretty clear who I've targeted. Night 1 was Porkens, Night 2 was nobody, and Night 3 was Kdub. Porkens and Kdub are both town. I'll let Porkens explain the whole Night 1 affair when he claims (unless you want me to claim for you).

This means both scum are among {morph, Quill, Hadrian, SpyreX}. I'm currently leaning toward a morph-Quill scum team since morph is my strongest scumread by a long shot and Quill's next. SpyreX is still probably town since he doesn't make much sense with Madotsuki as a partner.

I'm trying to think of what morph and Quill would be trying to accomplish with that roleblock, though. I mean, on the surface it kinda makes Quill look more town, but if I were scum-morph I'd want town to have some verification that I had the role I claimed to be. Maybe he isn't the role he claims to be? I mean, if he's telling the truth he wasn't who he seemed to be on early Day 2. But then if he's discovered, that implicates Quill… I guess he could claim he was gambiting again. His claimed role makes sense to me, though. And morph's the one under pressure.

My next pick would be morph and Hadrian, but their walls at each other certainly make this look unlikely. It could be acting, but I feel like if it was, it'd be a lot more heated. Not counting this out entirely, but it seems unlikely.

If those are both wrong, either SpyreX is scum or it's Quill-Hadrian. I haven't looked at Quill-Hadrian too closely, but I don't remember anything precluding them from being partners except that they've both been town reads for me for a while. And again, I rather doubt SpyreX is scum. The Quill-Hadrian possibility is scary though because that means we lose if we mislynch morph.

SpyreX would theoretically makes sense as a scumpartner with any of the three, I think.

Anyway, if at all possible I'd like Kdub to claim (and use his role) ASAP so we can get hiplop's response. His QT ends 48 hours after daystart, right? That means we have under 7 hours left.
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Post Post #1346 (ISO) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:41 am

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Why didn't you use it night two?

*i meant tracker up there when I said VIG.
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Post Post #1347 (ISO) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:46 am

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In post 1340, Kdub wrote:Quill, I don't quite understand your role. Is your one-shot roleblock a separate action from your motivate? And if so, that means you performed multiple actions last night?
They're listed as two separate actions on my role PM, but as one unified role at the top of it. And I did perform multiple actions last night, yes.

I'm going to follow up on the above claim after I have time to funnel it through my brain, but suffice it to say that not being scum, this is making me believe Awesome is a lot more likely to be. Because I'm not sure I can believe a Morph-Hadrian team, and I can't imagine Spyrex as scum at this point.
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Post Post #1348 (ISO) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:53 am

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In post 1346, Hadrian wrote:Why didn't you use it night two?

*i meant tracker up there when I said VIG.
Because of Porkens.
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Post Post #1349 (ISO) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:03 am

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In post 1345, awesomeusername wrote:I secretly lose my vote the next day
What does "secretly" mean here, exactly? (Also, what was your board game pick?)
In post 1345, awesomeusername wrote:Anyway, if at all possible I'd like Kdub to claim (and use his role) ASAP so we can get hiplop's response. His QT ends 48 hours after daystart, right? That means we have under 7 hours left.
Um. Am I missing something? If you think it's important that kdub claims as soon as possible and you know what his role is, why don't you just
tell
us? (To be honest, I don't really understand the hurry. I don't think getting hiplop's response is super-important, really - what could he tell us? But if you
do
think getting a response from hiplop to kdub's role claim is important, then why are you happy to wait for kdub to tell us something that you already claim you know?)

--

In fact, is there a reason we shouldn't simply ask aun to claim on behalf of both Porkens
and
kdub right now?

They can confirm or deny their roles
after
username says what he thinks they are. This lets username confirm he has the role he claims he has, doesn't it? (Or at least, he can prove he knows the role of at least one person who can't be his partner...)
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