Has the cop team achieved a win condition?
Mini 1552 - Paranoia [GAME OVER]
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OK I'm not reading yet, I'm going over other things; MTD's note that those conversations may prove helpful is a good point, so I opened my interrogation room and laughed when I saw myself ask how GreyICE knew stuff about the interrogation lol x)
soon, mates.
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In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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lol I'm so townie
the entire interrogation is me talking with myself about how greyice sucks and OMFG WHY IS DESSEW AGREEING
I'm totally pullthing the D1 argument for you MTD, again, for why I am town XD read the QT after the game
OMFG THERE IS A HINT
the entire interrogation is me talking with myself about how greyice sucks and OMFG WHY IS DESSEW AGREEING
I'm totally pullthing the D1 argument for you MTD, again, for why I am town XD read the QT after the game
OMFG THERE IS A HINT
In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Alright so here's the deal
Empking and Wind told me to convey a message from the police to town, which I thought was stupid so I ignored it, but now it is pure gold: they said that scum are probably just laughing while we're fighting when they lurk(paraphrase)....this was on February 19th, so I wnet back and saw if either of you lurked at that time or so, and it seems that Garmr has indeed been like that, or something.
so hmmn.
Empking and Wind told me to convey a message from the police to town, which I thought was stupid so I ignored it, but now it is pure gold: they said that scum are probably just laughing while we're fighting when they lurk(paraphrase)....this was on February 19th, so I wnet back and saw if either of you lurked at that time or so, and it seems that Garmr has indeed been like that, or something.
so hmmn.
In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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This could so be about Dessew.In post 904, shos wrote:Alright so here's the deal
Empking and Wind told me to convey a message from the police to town, which I thought was stupid so I ignored it, but now it is pure gold: they said that scum are probably just laughing while we're fighting when they lurk(paraphrase)....this was on February 19th, so I wnet back and saw if either of you lurked at that time or so, and it seems that Garmr has indeed been like that, or something.
so hmmn.
still the same old MTD
In post 900, shos wrote:Mod: Has GreyICE left the game victorious?
Has the cop team achieved a win condition?
I'm not at liberty to answer that.
The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.
Also why is it important whether the police has won?
That "lurker" thing is again something we have no way of knowing whether you are making it up right now or really were told it because if it was there, you were so stupid (if you are town) to
Also WTF is this:
That "lurker" thing is again something we have no way of knowing whether you are making it up right now or really were told it because if it was there, you were so stupid (if you are town) to
not pass it on
.Also WTF is this:
?In post 442, shos wrote:They also gave me a really cool power, I'm not sure if I want to be protected tonight. probably not
still the same old MTD
Ok so I looked into that policeQT of mine again as well and found, that they did not even as much as mention shos.
On the one hand mastin was the only alive player they asked me for a read on, however then they mostly argued against my scumread on her.
Also in this light it is funny that they never answered to the question who is scum.
On the one hand mastin was the only alive player they asked me for a read on, however then they mostly argued against my scumread on her.
Also in this light it is funny that they never answered to the question who is scum.
still the same old MTD
Now what confuses me is mastins report of her interrogation.
In there police seems to scumread
Another thing is that she already mentions the missing PM there, so that verifies it I guess.
What also throws me off is that mastin said that AP
Interesting that he mentioned AP saying that Grey was the usurper.
Problem is, if I assume they knew who was scum at that point, that makes absolutely no sense, why would they try to deceive town about it?
But at the same time They would have mentioned if mastin had passed along anyting incorrectly.
So. You can't both be scum. They are not consistent with their reads.
I have to assume they didn't know scum.
Btw, I just realized that actually makes sense since afaik they didn't talk to grey before any of our interrogations, right?
Soo.. that makes shos' point there worthless.
In there police seems to scumread
both
mastin and shos.Another thing is that she already mentions the missing PM there, so that verifies it I guess.
What also throws me off is that mastin said that AP
townread
jon.Interesting that he mentioned AP saying that Grey was the usurper.
Problem is, if I assume they knew who was scum at that point, that makes absolutely no sense, why would they try to deceive town about it?
But at the same time They would have mentioned if mastin had passed along anyting incorrectly.
So. You can't both be scum. They are not consistent with their reads.
I have to assume they didn't know scum.
Btw, I just realized that actually makes sense since afaik they didn't talk to grey before any of our interrogations, right?
Soo.. that makes shos' point there worthless.
still the same old MTD
Just found this and lol'dIn post 268, GreyICE wrote:PEdit: Until proven otherwise I'm going to assume the faction named "Police" are on my side, or at least trying to catch Mafia, especially since I can't lynch them or talk to them.
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Because if the scum suspected a usurper, then his attitude at the beginning would've been a dead-giveaway. His posting looked town to me. In hindsight, you can see it's usurper. But as scum, I'd know he was scum, and wonder about his posting.In post 896, MTD wrote:Btw, why do you say GreyICE would be the first player you would lynch as scum when as scum you would have thought he was your scumbuddy?
Except one of my main points against you is that you've specifically avoided trying to incriminate yourself on wagons, while still pushing them. Not voting, but supporting them. How many times have you said "not hammering" or akin, but "support anyway"? (Not exact wording.)Notice that points away from me as well btw, as I would have gone for the LLD-fastlynch.
I'll take a look at the shoscum points later; I'm planning a full game reread later.
AP.In post 909, MTD wrote:On the one hand mastin was the only alive player they asked me for a read on, however then they mostly argued against my scumread on her.
Angry. Freakin'. Pidgeon.
Argued against me being scum.
There's your proof I'm town. AP never misreads me. EVER. I've tried to fool him, never pulled off.
Shos knows that's true, too. AP might start or have paranoia of me. But ultimately, he always. ALWAYS. Gets it right in the end.
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AP was paranoid of me. Said paranoia apparently was addressed if what you say from yours is true. I'm going from memory, but I believe they said shos was a lynch for later.
Uh, I don't remember that? I think he disagreed with the scumread, not thinking it a townread.What also throws me off is that mastin said that APtownreadjon.
Fairly certain they mentioned taking GI in N1. And I know that GI mentioned it in the lost posts that he was.Btw, I just realized that actually makes sense since afaik they didn't talk to grey before any of our interrogations, right?
So they did.
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Theory: AP read me right as town.
Jon lied about their read of me being town, and said it was scum as leverage, not knowing about the arrest mechanic.
Jon, having lied, was taken in by the cops.
Jon lied about their read of me being town, and said it was scum as leverage, not knowing about the arrest mechanic.
Jon, having lied, was taken in by the cops.
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Oh. Guess he did.
Butyeah. AP's reads evolve.
Tracking what I know of the mechanics and from what I've pieced together, it really looks like the cops figured out I was town and knew jon to be scum, risking the game on it. I need time to think over whether they knew/thought shos or MTD to be the other scum, though.
Butyeah. AP's reads evolve.
Tracking what I know of the mechanics and from what I've pieced together, it really looks like the cops figured out I was town and knew jon to be scum, risking the game on it. I need time to think over whether they knew/thought shos or MTD to be the other scum, though.
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Shos might actually be scum, though, for the "not dead yet" bit AP pushed. If AP knew shos was scum, asking for shos to live longer makes sense if AP wanted to figure out which scum to arrest.
If AP didn't know who was scum, point annulled, but I need to give this a long hard think and crossreference everything.
Because I think that who is scum here will be really, really obvious through the QTs. Basically, I really, REALLY think all the pieces of the puzzle are here, between the dead scum, GI, and the cop QTs and their actions and words and whatnot. I just need to piece them all together to form the final picture.
If AP didn't know who was scum, point annulled, but I need to give this a long hard think and crossreference everything.
Because I think that who is scum here will be really, really obvious through the QTs. Basically, I really, REALLY think all the pieces of the puzzle are here, between the dead scum, GI, and the cop QTs and their actions and words and whatnot. I just need to piece them all together to form the final picture.
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In post 867, shos wrote:oh man this is going to be a reaaaaaheeeally hard lylo
In post 883, shos wrote:I was asleep, why the rush, we have a full deadline.
gonna go to work and uni today, probably not the super best day to vote in lylo
In post 884, shos wrote:well, tomorrowI will see this game through.
you guys are welcome to burst at each other while I'm out, convince me you're not scum.
In post 902, shos wrote:lol I'm so townie
the entire interrogation is me talking with myself about how greyice sucks and OMFG WHY IS DESSEW AGREEING
I'm totally pullthing the D1 argument for you MTD, again, for why I am town XD read the QT after the game
OMFG THERE IS A HINT
Suddenly getting very.In post 904, shos wrote:Alright so here's the deal
Empking and Wind told me to convey a message from the police to town, which I thought was stupid so I ignored it, but now it is pure gold: they said that scum are probably just laughing while we're fighting when they lurk(paraphrase)....this was on February 19th, so I wnet back and saw if either of you lurked at that time or so, and it seems that Garmr has indeed been like that, or something.
so hmmn.
VERY.
Strong orcinus-in-Tales vibe from shos. Especially that one post.
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And just saw something else.
Really.
REALLY.
Need to think things through right now.
Gah.
Gun to my head, I think I'd actually be voting shos right now, but it's like 51/49 right now. I need to do my research. My homework. Because I really can't tell right now.
In post 883, shos wrote:I was asleep,why the rush, we have a full deadline.
gonna go to work and uni today, probably not the super best day to vote in lylo
What changed, shos? You went from "let's not rush, we've got a full deadline" to "Imma gonna end it tomorrowz".
Really.
REALLY.
Need to think things through right now.
Gah.
Gun to my head, I think I'd actually be voting shos right now, but it's like 51/49 right now. I need to do my research. My homework. Because I really can't tell right now.
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Actually.
I have another theory.
Cops knew about GI's existence, but didn't know his identity until he tipped them off.
GI was taken in N1...but
Then, last night, GI was taken in again and told them who the scum were and who he suspected throughout the whole game. (Jon.) Which is supported by this.
Which would mean they legitimately scumhunted throughout the game if I'm right. MTD's words mean that AP thought me town, but if they didn't know who was scum, then their guess at MTD/shos (which I can see being either at this point off of what I know) would've been just that, a guess, and only GI's info told them otherwise. And that'd make GI's posting today far more indicative of who would be scum and I think I just switched to 51/49 on MTD/shos from this but I am getting driven insane from paranoia.
I am really busy right now, so I'll do this later. This can be solved. I know it can be.
I have another theory.
Cops knew about GI's existence, but didn't know his identity until he tipped them off.
GI was taken in N1...but
didn't
tell the cops who the scum were. (Not sure why he wouldn't, but there could be good reasons.)Then, last night, GI was taken in again and told them who the scum were and who he suspected throughout the whole game. (Jon.) Which is supported by this.
I'll need to check my facts, but I think this actually explains a lot. GI didn't get a chance to talk to the cops N1 as much as he needed to and never revealed the names. The cops didn't target him again until much later, still trying to figure out who the scum were. He told them, and they supported it, and they pulled the trigger on jon.In post 848, GreyICE wrote:Like the previous times I was making fun of you? That was just me passing on messages about random shit underhandedly.
This time it's just me passing on messages directly. That was not pro-cop.
Which would mean they legitimately scumhunted throughout the game if I'm right. MTD's words mean that AP thought me town, but if they didn't know who was scum, then their guess at MTD/shos (which I can see being either at this point off of what I know) would've been just that, a guess, and only GI's info told them otherwise. And that'd make GI's posting today far more indicative of who would be scum and I think I just switched to 51/49 on MTD/shos from this but I am getting driven insane from paranoia.
I am really busy right now, so I'll do this later. This can be solved. I know it can be.
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My problem is, if police knew the scum, how could their reads evolve?`
Actually only on the LLD one if I think about it, though, and there my point was not "not hammering" but "not hammering
I mean, I was on the Dessew wagon and I hammered dopog. I don't know how often I did that on wagons that ultimately didn't lead to a lynch, though.
I do that when I am unsure of a wagon but lean scum on the one being wagoned, I guess I have said that at those points as well.
I have one more thing here. Grey. When the cops took in shos for questioning he ranted about them taking a townie. Now that might be either sincere or him trying to look like a good scumbuddy.
He ranted about them taking mastin too, but didn't explicitely say anything about alignment.
I have no idea what that tells me actually.
@mod: Can you tell us whether GreyICE was taken into Interrogation early into the game?
My problem is, if police knew the scum, how could their reads evolve?`
That's true, I did that, but what reason would I have to do that as scum when (I think) I could just go for a quick win, as you said you would have?Except one of my main points against you is that you've specifically avoided trying to incriminate yourself on wagons, while still pushing them. Not voting, but supporting them. How many times have you said "not hammering" or akin, but "support anyway"? (Not exact wording.)
Actually only on the LLD one if I think about it, though, and there my point was not "not hammering" but "not hammering
yet
.I mean, I was on the Dessew wagon and I hammered dopog. I don't know how often I did that on wagons that ultimately didn't lead to a lynch, though.
I do that when I am unsure of a wagon but lean scum on the one being wagoned, I guess I have said that at those points as well.
I have one more thing here. Grey. When the cops took in shos for questioning he ranted about them taking a townie. Now that might be either sincere or him trying to look like a good scumbuddy.
He ranted about them taking mastin too, but didn't explicitely say anything about alignment.
I have no idea what that tells me actually.
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Guh.
Just thought of another thing.
Basically, almost any point against or in favor of MTD is a similar point for me.
There's differences, obviously, but things like VCA and such all give no answers between us being scum.
...And there's generally a reason for that...being neither would actually
Just thought of another thing.
Basically, almost any point against or in favor of MTD is a similar point for me.
There's differences, obviously, but things like VCA and such all give no answers between us being scum.
...And there's generally a reason for that...being neither would actually
be
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He ranted about Guyett, too, but didn't say anything about Guyett's alignment, either, if memory serves.In post 920, MTD wrote:Grey. When the cops took in shos for questioning he ranted about them taking a townie. Now that might be either sincere or him trying to look like a good scumbuddy.
He ranted about them taking mastin too, but didn't explicitely say anything about alignment.
...Which is a point against shos once again being the odd man out. Ranting about us but not saying our alignment, ranting about shos but saying his alignment.
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So that means we need to look into greys posting more than into the QTs.
Again, I really find Greys posting towards me today strange, as I would probably agree with the points you made about it, and would maybe even scumread someone for it.
That makes it difficult for me to argue on that.
What do you make of shos bringing up the possibility of lynching grey again after it was already discussed?
So that means we need to look into greys posting more than into the QTs.
Again, I really find Greys posting towards me today strange, as I would probably agree with the points you made about it, and would maybe even scumread someone for it.
That makes it difficult for me to argue on that.
What do you make of shos bringing up the possibility of lynching grey again after it was already discussed?
still the same old MTD