NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Snork]

hows that catchup going?

How did it quote the wrong thing.... I'm really tired. This is what I was responding too.

[4nxi3ty]

btw, so you know, I think your hops on luca, rach, and snowstorm are

interesting

along with mastin's scumread of you.

Define interesting.

felt the reasoning for those votes were fairly weak and wanted to poke him on it and maybe get a reaction from him on you.

Why do you present me as some superscumread but end up voting/wagoning others?

[mastin2]

Why do you present me as some superscumread but end up voting/wagoning others?

Because you're a scumread but not a superscumread and the strength of my read wavers from post to post?

[ThAdmiral]

So Thad, if a case was being pushed on me for something that I didn't do you'd think I was scummy right?

If I had a fairly strong existing scumread on you it wouldn't automatically make me start reading you as town.

I also find it hard to believe that someone like ThAd, who has a join date from 2006 and who does appear experienced would let himself get blinded by bad play.

Does bad play = scum? Clearly not because if it did we'd all be voting rach.
Anyway I wasn't blinded by shit, you just don't understand how I work. My mind is like a fucking laser.

Ok Nero I can see it,

VOTE: Thad

What a fucking surprise. No reasoning provided of course.

unofficial vote count:

SnowStorm [3 votes] (penguin_alien, Angry Pidgeon, Damon_Gant)
ThAdmiral [3 votes] (SnowStorm, aptil, RachMarie)
TheWayItEnds [3 votes] (Nero Cain, DeasVail, Mastin2)
RachMarie [2 votes] (Snork, ThAdmiral)
4nxi3ty [2 votes] (PeregrineV, Egg)
AngryPidgeon [1 vote] (TheWayItEnds)
mastin2 [1 vote] (Yates)

2 players are not voting: {projectmatt, 4nxi3ty}

[Plessiez]

It's day 2. Deadline for the day is 13th April, 15:45. That's (expired on 2014-04-13 15:45:32).

Vote Count 2.8

SnowStorm [3 votes] (penguin_alien, Angry Pidgeon, Damon_Gant)
ThAdmiral [3 votes] (SnowStorm, aptil, RachMarie)
TheWayItEnds [3 votes] (Nero Cain, DeasVail, mastin2)
RachMarie [2 votes] (Snork, ThAdmiral)
4nxi3ty [2 votes] (PeregrineV, Egg)
AngryPidgeon [1 vote] (TheWayItEnds)
mastin2 [1 vote] (Yates)

2 players are not voting

: {4nxi3ty, projectmatt}

With

17

players alive it takes

9

votes to lynch somebody or to go to night.

Activity

penguin_alien is V/LA until April 10th.
Yates is V/LA.

[Damon_Gant]

TWIE

: I could not get a read off pisskop for the life of me - but he made me feel uneasy. TWIE also makes me feel very uneasy for similar reasons.

This excess of sarcasm.

His last post, #2117 is horrible - and perhaps the one post of TWIE's I can point to and say that it's definitely indicative of scum.

leaning scum

I would just stop reading my posts then because I'm serving up an all you can eat sarcasm buffet.

That you certainly are. While I acknowledge that it's undoubtedly a part of the way you post, it's your distinct unhelpfulness that has bothered me of late. I completely understand why there's a wagon on you.

Here's some updated reads based on my latest ISO trawls:
Nero: Reading his Day 2 play in ISO I quite like it actually - it's less tunnelly and feels like he's making an effort to move the game along. I don't agree with many of his reads but it feels like he believes in them.

leaning town

Yates: Meh, still hard to get a read on this. His posts can be quite contentless at times - but I've seen that throughout his meta. Seems very keen to push against the tiniest blemishes to his name. Really not sure.

null

At this stage I think that I could be interested in lynches of SnowStorm, TWIE, or 4nx. I also have slight scumreads on mastin and Rach as mentioned earlier but they're in the second tier of my list and I think would be less beneficial to the town to lynch right now.

[SiX]

Just arrived at the battlefield, no reads or anything.

UNVOTE:

[penguin_alien]

As for PA her taunting me to "be more convincing" doesn't seem all that town to me and I'm a tad bit worried that she doesn't have a scum read on me when she always does as town.

Curious, what games have you been in with her?

FEA Large Theme, NY 164, Open 505, WWE Large Theme, 2.5 Friends Large Theme, Mainstream Large Theme, all as solo-me. I think we overlapped in Empking's Large Theme LOTR, NY 161 maybe? Might be others I don't recall.

Nero, you're going to have to keep scum reading me, because I'm actually town reading you here.

Uhhhhhh. Are you being cheeky scum, PA?

Uhhhhhh. Flippant town, but YMMV between flippant and cheeky. And people wonder why I don't say what I think more often. Seriously though, you'll have to assess whether you think I'm being amused at a situation that keeps recurring in games with Nero Cain or I'm going for a 'devil may care' attitude to hide my inherent scum sympathies.

This is exactly what mastin did last time I ran into scum-her, called people scum because they were scum, or scum because they weren't town.

And I insisted back then that it wasn't a scumtell, didn't I? Like I said, it's actually something that I copied from my town meta. Like this game. The NORM is for me-as-scum to have ease explaining the read, and as town to have trouble with it. The EXCEPTION is for me-as-town to have ease explaining the read and as scum have trouble with it.

...but you were scum. Does not compute.

This is the first thing about PA that has me concerned, since she knows that while I'm not going to never-bus, I have a strong distaste for it; casually hopping onto a scumbuddy isn't exactly my thing.

Again, appealing to self-aware meta. So not comfortable with this posting.

Why is it that for two days in a row, I've thought both lead wagons sucked?

I'd take this more seriously if you weren't on said lead wagon at the time you pulled the quote.

There's other stuff here I'll think about when thinking's easier. Still not seeing any particular reason not to lynch SnowStorm. Would lynch mastin I think. Not sure about TWIE. AP, I assume you'll be commenting, but I want to know where you stand on mastin now, given that you were kind of willing to lynch her before her catch-up posts.

[AngryPidgeon]

Busy at work today, be on in a bit.

[mastin2]

...but you were scum.

...So? Doesn't change the statement being true.

This is the first thing about PA that has me concerned, since she knows that while I'm not going to never-bus, I have a strong distaste for it; casually hopping onto a scumbuddy isn't exactly my thing.

Again, appealing to self-aware meta. So not comfortable with this posting.

And concern grows, since my posting clearly wasn't appealing to self-meta; it was explaining perspective. (Short on time atm, but basically, not used as defense, used as offense, with PA's lack of regard for something she knows is a trait of mine being concerning.)

I'd take this more seriously if you weren't on said lead wagon at the time you pulled the quote.

I'm not on it anymore, though.

/also busy.

[Snork]

k. I'm ignoring pa, ignoring mastin. I like the snowstorm lynch but feel there's an odd amount of momentum there.

Someone talk to me about TWIE and AP please.... ? I asked for people's reasoning on why they were scumreading AP and no one answered.

[AngryPidgeon]

Because people were too absorbed in TownvTown fighting? The whole Rach debate with Nero, AP, ThAd, Snork and such was at about that time; they were too focused on each other to see the actual scum.

Which is TWIE? Why does it take you so long to end up over here then?

This is a fairly good towntell for her?

Uhhh, what would you expect scum PA to do different. Cause not-scumhunting is a pretty shitty towntell.

Damon might actually be town. I like more of his reads than I don't.

Uhhh, You just posted this about DV. Except their reads aren't THAT in sync and I dislike your lack of attention to detail in general here. Your hop off of snow is weird and Im not buying that you 'forgot' why he was scummy.

...I'm feeling a deep disconnect with the game. Not The Fall levels of bad, not even close, but...loosely akin to that? Like...there's the feeling I can do good, but...that I'm not able to do it, if that makes sense.

Really, you are going to bring that game up? Ya you were town in it. But you still were different there than you were here, motivation aside. You feel like you are coasting here.

FEA Large Theme, NY 164, Open 505, WWE Large Theme, 2.5 Friends Large Theme, Mainstream Large Theme, all as solo-me. I think we overlapped in Empking's Large Theme LOTR, NY 161 maybe? Might be others I don't recall.

Noted. Hopefully I'll find motivation to skim one or some of these, but not right now. Oh right I forgot you were both in Posh Mafia, *shudder*.

Again, appealing to self-aware meta. So not comfortable with this posting.

This is about as null as null tells go for mastin

[AngryPidgeon]

There's other stuff here I'll think about when thinking's easier. Still not seeing any particular reason not to lynch SnowStorm. Would lynch mastin I think. Not sure about TWIE. AP, I assume you'll be commenting, but I want to know where you stand on mastin now, given that you were kind of willing to lynch her before her catch-up posts.

I dont see how anyone is townreading Snowstorm at all and didn't like mastin's vote flop over to TWIE and waffle on SS.

So, still want to lynch snowstorm but would entertain mastin lynch. Im not seeing any strong town-mastin indicators. Mastin brings up Mini 1521 where I mis-lynched mastin whilst saying that, but I dunno. I reallly don't see anything that looks all that town from mastin and that is worrisome. Bringing up The Fall could easily be a way to get PV and me to not vote her over her extreme lack of presence this game. I want to say the lack of zeal is a straight up scumtell, but I cant. I think mastins post look a little shallow.

Might sheep Yates if it comes down to it, but going to hope for Snowstorm support for now.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ugh TWIE is still scummy though. Just I can't trust people to lynch mastin without me. Dunno.

[AngryPidgeon]

Nero, what do you think about mastin?

[AngryPidgeon]

Under 4 Days to deadline btw.

[Snork]

Fucking hell.

DV gimme your reads

[RachMarie]

Wow Thad did you completely MISS all the stuffs I posted?

That being said, I am quite willing to move over to another scumspect Way, again to prevent a NL situation.

Way to misrep, dude.

[DeasVail]

Snork, I haven't played a lot with AP, so my read on him is really uncertain. I'd still put him in the scumgroup but I think I'd prefer TWIE, and I've said most of what I wanted to say about AP.

Also, my reads are the same as they were in my last relevant post except with Yates, ThAd and SnowStorm (and possibly 4nxi3ty) forming a 'slight scum' group above the other scumreads (as in they are weaker scum than TWIE, AP, Gant)

I am not strongly townreading Snow by any means, but I found his reaction posts town enough to not be interested in lynching him today. One of the big recent things about TWIE for me is that I found the sarcasm of his posts over-the-top and likely scum trying to fabricate a town attitude rather than a natural town reaction. There were other things about TWIE that I may explain later on ISO too, but I'm not up to it right now.

[Nero Cain]

Despite the fact that my vote is on TWIE, I'm actually quite conflicted. Unlike you, I actually think his kinda snarky attitude made him look a lil' town. Its maybe null 'cause I've seen it from both alignments. So *shrugz*

but SRS question, how do you tell the difference between town attitude and scum faking a town attitude?

[Nero Cain]

Nero, what do you think about mastin?

might be scum. If Mastin flips scum is PA scum?

k. I'm ignoring pa, ignoring mastin.

Why?

[ThAdmiral]

Wow Thad did you completely MISS all the stuffs I posted?

That being said, I am quite willing to move over to another scumspect Way, again to prevent a NL situation.

Way to misrep, dude.

Bullshit. This is "all the stuffs":

Not feeling a strong towny vibe from Thad either this does not feel like his game in other games we have been in together.

I will say that where Thad and Snow are, are great places for a scum vote, not starting the wagon, not being the hammer but somewhere close to the end.

Now go ahead and manufacture some reasons retroactively about what you saw between the following two posts:

need to look at him closer and I just might, he fits in the place where scum might be, though I am still not convinced that Way is town.

Ok Nero I can see it,

VOTE: Thad

I mean if you "saw it", which you clearly did I'm sure, then you'll have no trouble explaining it.

[Nero Cain]

Thad, Rach isn't happening today so who else do you want dead and why?

[RachMarie]

what about the VCA I did? On both wagons and on those on neither wagon, you seemed to have forgotten that Thad

[Nero Cain]

If this is still valid, Nero (tell me if it's not), then I'll give it a more detailed look later. I might be in the mood to just sheep someone and you're a better bet than most.

pretty much.

I also can't decide if I like TWIE or not. A Thad lynch would be excellent.

Talk to me about my reads.