Tales of You (Endgame)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Right now I'd draw my don't-lynch-above-this line just below RG.

naming a single person here rather than a section implies ordered lists

[Clyton]

I'll be posting my thoughts soon. But first, I need information. What are the characteristics of a Cabd game? If I know, I can adjust my approach.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Right now I'd draw my don't-lynch-above-this line just below RG.

naming a single person here rather than a section implies ordered lists

I can see coming away with that impression. The list was made and has been sitting in our hydra QT for several hours before I posted it. Most of the commentary came as I was writing the post. I looked at the maybe town list, thinking who would I not want to vote right now? And the top two sprang out. Just Sheep Us has been trending upward. RG was in a long slide from a decent town read prior to Brian's posts. With both of them, I could consider moving them up to the next group.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

#45 may be the best Brian Skies post I've ever read.

I object.

Overruled

Here?

Yes, that was an ordinary pun.

"Fuckballs" was just because I hydraslipped and I don't hydraslip.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'll be posting my thoughts soon. But first, I need information. What are the characteristics of a Cabd game? If I know, I can adjust my approach.

I have no idea, Ive never played a Cabd game. Buuuut, role madness-y is my guess. It shouldnt change how you read people as scum during the Day though...

[AngryPidgeon]

Would default to lynching me. If a town-AP has no attachment to voting me, AP votes for some other player. Because he gives the benefit of the doubt, because he loves playing with me, working with me, because he thinks I'm a valuable player, even if I have been having bad days. Yet here, he's explicitly saying he's not attached to it. That the vote isn't strong. Yet he's kept it there.

The problem with this forced-ass case is that I DO have an attachment to voting you. I suspect you arent going to be a valuable player so long as Im in the game if you are town, so no. Dont put words in my mouth please. And its posts like this that look like scum-mastin, so yes Im 100% cozy with voting you unless you want to take up my offer to lolwagon PV.

[AngryPidgeon]

Yeah, so did Esp/Molla's voting patterns when I flipped scum in House Party.
...Oh. Wait.

Are you seriously bringing this up? You loltunneled StrangerCoug D1 much like me here. You misread the crap out of BRO (probably much like here). You ranted and walled and shoved and got your MLs before people got suspicious and lynched you over how wrong you were. But ya bring up the game people keep saying your play here miiight resemble because its a town one.

[AngryPidgeon]

1872: so now is when I press you on your early townread of me. How did that diminish, or was it just never as strong as you suggested?

It hasn't changed. You're in the town group. I haven't forced an order onto the subgroup lists.

You guys really need to work on finding someone or 3 you want to lynch today because lts face it. There is always a thor665 in the townblock. You should have an idea by now of who you dont want to lynch today. Stop this Stallin' and make a move on, jesus.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

1872: so now is when I press you on your early townread of me. How did that diminish, or was it just never as strong as you suggested?

It hasn't changed. You're in the town group. I haven't forced an order onto the subgroup lists.

You guys really need to work on finding someone or 3 you want to lynch today because lts face it. There is always a thor665 in the townblock.

that's why my townbloc is pretty small. my reads list has a few players I'm willing to lynch today.

You should have an idea by now of who you dont want to lynch today.

I think maybe you didn't read my reads list all that closely.

Stop this Stallin' and make a move on, jesus.

that's not punny.

[AngryPidgeon]

that's why my townbloc is pretty small. my reads list has a few players I'm willing to lynch today.

Just mastin? Or literally 8 people? Come on, that doesnt cut it. Sitting back and cruise controlling is not getting anywhere . Try narrowing down who you want to lynch and actually, IDK, voting or otherwise talking to those people?

You 2 have been hydra-dissonancing in general over this game and I have a hard time telling where you guys actually have focus on (other than Beli wanting mastin). Your lack of vote is pretty unacceptable at this stage of the game. Like. Figure out a reasonable pool of people you want lynched and be proactive about it.

Waffling in the corner about who may or may not be OBVTOWN enough to be part of le club is not helpful and, like I said, you are never going to make the golden dream perfect townblock causem evidenced by literally every game ever. So actually do something proactive instead of whatever it is you guys are doing right now. Which seems to be Beli wanting to lynch mastin all giddily but deferring to ffery and ffery not doing anything but trying to craft the master townblock at the speed of paint drying and with relevance on part to the points in Whose Line is it Anyway.

If you were actually discussing scumreads with your town core and voting them, then great! But you really arent. Hop to that.

[AngryPidgeon]

part to

par with*

[MastinSSK]

But again why I should come begging to you for your wondrous insight is beyond me, especially since a lot of our read is probably based on the fact that mastin's pushing us-town.

So basically.

The entire reason you're voting me.

Is explicitly OMGUS.

PLUS others who I think are likely town and respect the opinion of that agree with me to some extent.

...Except that zMuffinman is one of literally only a handful who can correctly read me 100% of the time and he has me as town, and Kagura has Nacho who's got a very high accuracy as well and he's got me as town. (Admittedly, bork's the main pusher there, but Nacho does have me as town, he's just not around to say it.)

And literally every player who has played with me many times has me not solidly below the null mark. (Admittedly, a fair number of them HAVE me at the null mark, for various vague reasons.)

I'll be posting my thoughts soon. But first, I need information. What are the characteristics of a Cabd game? If I know, I can adjust my approach.

Well, I'm not an expert myself, but basic rundown is:
-Role madness. Everyone has a role.
-Explicitly bastard-mod elements. Players can be lied to.
-Setup spec heavily discouraged, leading to town losses.

[AP Never] Would default to lynching me. If a town-AP has no attachment to voting me, AP votes for some other player. Because he gives the benefit of the doubt, because he loves playing with me, working with me, because he thinks I'm a valuable player, even if I have been having bad days. Yet here, he's explicitly saying he's not attached to it. That the vote isn't strong. Yet he's kept it there.

The problem with this forced-ass case is that I DO have an attachment to voting you.

LIKE HELL YOU DO. Not as town, anyway. NAME ONE GAME. (Aside from our first game.) ONE. FUCKING. GAME. Where you voted me as town and had this attachment to voting me.

THEY DON'T EXIST.

You've suspected me. Yes, you have. You did in Too Many Heads. /invitational 15. Probably multiple others that I'm forgetting. Yes. Suspected. And briefly voted, sure, yeah. BUT YOU DIDN'T KEEP THE VOTE ON THERE. You're a lying scumbag. A town-AP. Never. NEVER. Defaults to voting me. And furthermore! A town AP never defaults to lynching me! Even when you're suspicious of me. Even when you have that feeling I'm scum. You've never let it go through.

I suspect you arent going to be a valuable player so long as Im in the game if you are town, so no.

THIS.
IS NOT.
HOW A TOWN-AP.
THINKS.

This is advocating a lynch on me not because I'm scum, but because he thinks that I'm never going to be useful. THAT. ISN'T. AP. Not as town, anyway. This is thinking like scum and letting it into his posting. He's not analyzing my alignment and trying to work with me. He's casting me aside, discarding me. This wasn't him in Hard Boiled. This wasn't him in Gears of War. Hell, this wasn't him in Too Many Heads, either.

Dont put words in my mouth please.

Fuck you, you absolute hypocrite. THIS IS THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH MY POSTING.

And its posts like this that look like scum-mastin, so yes Im 100% cozy with voting you unless you want to take up my offer to lolwagon PV.

LIKE HELL THAT WAS SCUMASTIN. You literally couldn't get a more town-Mastin post. Sure, you can argue it came from a scum Mastin. Scum Mastin makes posts that look like town-Mastin. BUT THAT POST. WAS QUITE EXPLICITLY. THE TYPE OF POST TO COME FROM TOWN MASTIN. And you damn-well know it.

Yeah, so did Esp/Molla's voting patterns when I flipped scum in House Party.
...Oh. Wait.

Are you seriously bringing this up?

You misrepping scumbag. LET'S LOOK AT THAT QUOTE WITHOUT VITAL CONTEXT REMOVED.

Wow.
ns's vote on me looks terribad if mastin flips scum.

Yeah, so did Esp/Molla's voting patterns when I flipped scum in House Party.
...Oh. Wait.
(Normally, I wouldn't make this type of heavily snarky post. But admit it, BRO deserves that. )

Of course I'm not fucking serious.

You loltunneled StrangerCoug D1 much like me here.

The difference is that there, I was never able to explain things.

Here, I have been laying out the damn case for literally the whole fucking god-damned day.

You misread the crap out of BRO (probably much like here).

And Desp, I might add, for the same reason: erroneously expecting them to be competent at reading me yet scumreading me wrongly.

You ranted and walled and shoved and got your MLs before people got suspicious and lynched you over how wrong you were.

BULLFUCKINGSHIT. The only mislynch I pushed was SC on D1. EVERY OTHER DAY, I was trying to figure things out. I had BRO as town multiple times. I analyzed things and had two scumbags NEAR THE TOP OF MY SUSPECT LIST. I had ETL, Majiffy, Molla, and Dan (all town) as townreads throughout the game. I also scumread the SK, who while not groupscum was still scum. Wrong my ass. The only scumbag never to enter my sight was dramonic, in large part thanks to you giving him the horribly-OP scum hider. How many mislynches did I cause? One. How many would-be mislynches did I fight to stop? Three. How many scum did I advocate the lynching of? Technically, three. How many town players did I waver on? Admittedly, three, but two of them were BRO and Desp. (With Desp as town for the majority of the time.) Was my performance great? No. Good? Not really. Okay, mediocre, average? Yes. Not terrible. Not something to be dismissed.

But ya bring up the game people keep saying your play here miiight resemble because its a town one.

AND WHO HERE IS MOST GUILTY OF THIS?!?
(Answer: Fox/Hound.)

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Okay, let me know when discussions begin.

reads list?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Tammy, here's who I think is town (will provide reasons later): Titan, Kagura, Mac, Fox, Breakfast, Orc, Red Gyarados, Lord Business
Scum are among: Rancid, MastinSSK, JustSheepUs, Cupcake, Clyton, ElementalHawk, Yukari, PereV

I need to refine this list a little and I'll re-read each of them to make sure.
~ F-16

I was going to be more verbose but iPad so lololololol. I'll probably do something more tomorrow but near sleeping and on iPad so!

The people I have as town are in (kagura? - question mark cuz would like yo see more nacho - Mac, Orc, redg, maybe breakfast and cf, I'm leaning more town on you but Arthur has you guys as scum and I want to see where that's coming from, oh and I have fox as town and Arthur is leaning more m way on that I think?

I would like cupcake to stop with the caps, but leaning town there and there were some early rancid posts I liked.

My biggest scum reads right now are hawk and just sheep us.

agree witht the town reads. not seeing just sheep us as a big scum read, though and would have liked to see more about why on this.

[MastinSSK]

that's why my townbloc is pretty small. my reads list has a few players I'm willing to lynch today.

Just mastin? Or literally 8 people? Come on, that doesnt cut it. Sitting back and cruise controlling is not getting anywhere . Try narrowing down who you want to lynch and actually, IDK, voting or otherwise talking to those people?

You 2 have been hydra-dissonancing in general over this game and I have a hard time telling where you guys actually have focus on (other than Beli wanting mastin). Your lack of vote is pretty unacceptable at this stage of the game. Like. Figure out a reasonable pool of people you want lynched and be proactive about it.

Waffling in the corner about who may or may not be OBVTOWN enough to be part of le club is not helpful and, like I said, you are never going to make the golden dream perfect townblock causem evidenced by literally every game ever. So actually do something proactive instead of whatever it is you guys are doing right now. Which seems to be Beli wanting to lynch mastin all giddily but deferring to ffery and ffery not doing anything but trying to craft the master townblock at the speed of paint drying and with relevance on part to the points in Whose Line is it Anyway.

If you were actually discussing scumreads with your town core and voting them, then great! But you really arent. Hop to that.

Have to leave, so no time to detail this, but this is also from a scum-AP. Basic rundown (advanced version to come when I have time),
A town AP is aggressive, yes.

But this AP is flat-out commanding, demanding, and bluntly, derisive. Which are not traits of his town self. Town-AP pushes who he wants to, but he pushes as a person largely by himself. Scum-AP, shown here, is largely focused on controlling the flow of the game.

[AngryPidgeon]

LIKE HELL YOU DO. Not as town, anyway. NAME ONE GAME. (Aside from our first game.) ONE. FUCKING. GAME. Where you voted me as town and had this attachment to voting me.

THEY DON'T EXIST.

This is a lie.

And even if it weren't, it still holds no relevance here. If you are town then you are tunneling me into the ground which has never actually happened to date either.

Fuck you, you absolute hypocrite. THIS IS THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH MY POSTING.

Excuse me? If this is about your "case" on me then, no you haven't posted anything remotely sensible about your read on me yet other than trying to assign scummeta to my play and make incredibly vague statements that dont actually mean anything or tell us anything about your wincon. And I -am- entitled to this opinion, feel free to disagree, you have yet to actually back yourself up. Admittedly, recent posts are a little more meaty, but not really. And you are still flatout wrong / scum / trolling me so I dont care.

The only scumbag never to enter my sight was dramonic, in large part thanks to you giving him the horribly-OP scum hider

Are you seriously attacking me as a mod here? I could but wont go on about why the Mafia having an Odd Hider is irrelevant and people giving them a town pass for the claim is TERRIBLE play.

Stop trying to deflect things onto Foxhound.

[AngryPidgeon]

Have to leave, so no time to detail this, but this is also from a scum-AP. Basic rundown (advanced version to come when I have time),
A town AP is aggressive, yes.

But this AP is flat-out commanding, demanding, and bluntly, derisive. Which are not traits of his town self. Town-AP pushes who he wants to, but he pushes as a person largely by himself. Scum-AP, shown here, is largely focused on controlling the flow of the game.

Controlling the flow of the game is a nulltell for me and you know that.

Mastin is just outright lying about my meta now. I dont even know if lying is the right word. Just assigning scum motivation to every thing I say and then trying to pin meta on top like a little bow despite their being absolutely zero resaon for mastin to believe that.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

VOTE: The Fox n Hound
even

Cool thanks

Tammy, fery, bork are town.

Your predecessor was pretty scummy but I'm leaning town due to the replace

I'm getting a leeeeetle worried about f16 but lets slap him just below bork on "levels of towniness"

Cephrir is scum

You're caught up!

What's your Mac read? What's your AP read? Has anything changed in the above?

See, this level of disagreement among my townreads about someone with as much data in the game as fox/hound really throws my sense of consensus-coming-together off. You haven't said why you think Ceph is scum aside from basically meta.

[Just Sheep Us]

AP's obvtown from his entrance.

Also this suggests you were reading him as town from his entrance, so that would mean you were reading him as town off something you're telling me I should be reading as null, even though I explained quite clearly why I thought it was more scummy than null.

Unless his entrance encompasses all his initial posts except his actual entrance, in which case, do explain.

His initial+the other stuff that happened before I made that post.

[AngryPidgeon]

Hey BRO, Ive changed my mind. Mastin is just scum. Her push on me is really that bad.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

But this AP is flat-out commanding, demanding, and bluntly, derisive. Which are not traits of his town self. Town-AP pushes who he wants to, but he pushes as a person largely by himself. Scum-AP, shown here, is largely focused on controlling the flow of the game.

I disagree that town AP doesn't work to control the flow of the game. I have pretty limited in-game experience with him, but work toward cadence control is something I've seen from him in the past.

There are some players for whom that kind of control effort isn't a scum tell.

Would like nati's thoughts on that, because he's one of the few players I've run into at MS who analyze games via cadence. but it looks unlikely that he'll be caught up and in the moment enough to really nail something like that down this game day.

[Just Sheep Us]

Yeah, so did Esp/Molla's voting patterns when I flipped scum in House Party.
...Oh. Wait.

(Normally, I wouldn't make this type of heavily snarky post. But admit it, BRO deserves that. )

Gonna respond to the rest of your wall in-full later, but this deserves special mention for bad things to post.

This is something that shouldn't need to be explained to you

[Just Sheep Us]

Hey BRO, Ive changed my mind. Mastin is just scum. Her push on me is really that bad.

Again, I'm confused as to why you too so long.

[Natirasha]

I'm here ffery but I haven't had a chance to sit down and mafiamafia since Friday.


-muffin

[AngryPidgeon]

Hey BRO, Ive changed my mind. Mastin is just scum. Her push on me is really that bad.

Again, I'm confused as to why you too so long.

Reading mastin correctly is like cooking chili in a crockpot. It takes some time to do right but the results are delicious. The chili tastes like chili. Mastin tastes like scum.