Tales of You (Endgame)

[Yggdra Union]

Also scum counterclaiming a miller makes no freaking sense because if RBD actually flips miller he'll get all the

love

suspicion on him next day.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Also scum counterclaiming a miller makes no freaking sense because if RBD actually flips miller he'll get all the

love

suspicion on him next day.

I agree with this.

What do

you

think about his reaction compared to Syr's?

[Yggdra Union]

I put down pie's opinion on it. I never said I disagree with it.

[MastinSSK]

Compare the Syryana's reaction to my miller cc and RBD's reaction to CF's miller cc.
What do you think?

The difference is circumstantial.

Syryana? Saw the counterclaim, and the way you did it was town. Your CC was done in a town way, so Syryana townread you for it. It literally went,
"I'm a miller."
"Sincerely doubt there's two."
"Waiting on if that's serious."
"It is."
"Well, that was done in a town way, so I think it's possible you're town."

This game?
"I'm a miller.
*later*
No, seriously, I am."

*much, much, much later*
"I'm counterclaiming miller. Here's why I didn't claim it initially, and why I haven't been focusing on the miller claim being scum."
"Wait, there are...issues...with the narrative you're presenting."

And there are. The context is important. F-16's play isn't impossible to come from town, but there IS reasonable amounts of doubt about it being from town, given the issues in the claim. (ISSUES. THAT. PARAPHRASING. WOULD. HELP. WITH. I might add.)
Your play wasn't impossible to come from scum, but there was basically no doubt that it was from town anyway.

[MastinSSK]

Trust in GIF.
Your problem is now solved.

GiF's voting me.

Trusting him is not exactly something I'm receptive to doing.

[CupcakePanda]

That reminds me

Can we instill a 5-day hard deadline limit for tmr? This site meta of going up to deadline in every single fucking game is simply ridiculous. I'm not even sure what I'm spose to make of 100 pages of fluff.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I put down pie's opinion on it. I never said I disagree with it.

that's not what I asked. pie didn't like the reaction. that's kinda context free, afaik. you're asking what we think of his reaction compared to syr's reaction in a very different game.

I dunno, maybe you had pie read that game? Even so, that game had a pretty interesting player list.

[MastinSSK]

Also scum counterclaiming a miller makes no freaking sense because if RBD actually flips miller he'll get all the

love

suspicion on him next day.

Suspicion, yes.

Lynch, I've already described why maybe not.

But I AM wavering a lot. I'm not saying it's impossible for him to be town. There's a good 40-45% chance of it, even. The scumread isn't strong and does waver a lot as I think about it. And this is one of the points contributing to that. But there's a lot in F-16's play that is just, well...is just highly, highly...iffy, for lack of a better word.

[Yggdra Union]

I put down pie's opinion on it. I never said I disagree with it.

that's not what I asked. pie didn't like the reaction. that's kinda context free, afaik. you're asking what we think of his reaction compared to syr's reaction in a very different game.

I dunno, maybe you had pie read that game? Even so, that game had a pretty interesting player list.

I meant as if I was gonna disagree with pie, I wouldn't have asked the question in the first place nor bring that game up.

[Yggdra Union]

So the direct answer would be: "Not quite town"

[Yggdra Union]

Compare the Syryana's reaction to my miller cc and RBD's reaction to CF's miller cc.
What do you think?

The difference is circumstantial.

Syryana? Saw the counterclaim, and the way you did it was town. Your CC was done in a town way, so Syryana townread you for it. It literally went,
"I'm a miller."
"Sincerely doubt there's two."
"Waiting on if that's serious."
"It is."
"Well, that was done in a town way, so I think it's possible you're town."

This game?
"I'm a miller.
*later*
No, seriously, I am."

*much, much, much later*
"I'm counterclaiming miller. Here's why I didn't claim it initially, and why I haven't been focusing on the miller claim being scum."
"Wait, there are...issues...with the narrative you're presenting."

And there are. The context is important. F-16's play isn't impossible to come from town, but there IS reasonable amounts of doubt about it being from town, given the issues in the claim. (ISSUES. THAT. PARAPHRASING. WOULD. HELP. WITH. I might add.)
Your play wasn't impossible to come from scum, but there was basically no doubt that it was from town anyway.

It's more of a mindset I was comparing to.

In buzzword Syryana's response was "ok cool you're town let's work together"
In here RBD looks like he's instead trying to discredit the counterclaim.

Get the difference?

[Yggdra Union]

Also why does it matter that he claimed miller way late?
It's not like he held up and claimed miller after a cop scan on him or anything.

There's no alignment-indicative motivation to hold onto a anti-town role and counterclaim way later as long as that's done before the effect happens.

[Yggdra Union]

If not some weird shade of town

[Just Sheep Us]

Ignore the scum trying to scum-spin narratives and lynch it instead.

[Just Sheep Us]

It's generally a winning strategy.

[Yggdra Union]

I call this masterpiece "some of my reads".

[AngryPidgeon]

TIL that GIF has many alts.

[Yggdra Union]

I have quite a lot of hydras, yes.
But I only have one alt and that has been public for a while.

[Yggdra Union]

Hell, I have too many hydra I started to share the existing hydra account to hydra with someone else

[Yggdra Union]

Spoiler: Shameless list of GIF hydrae

Sound of Silence (GIF + fery)
Amathyst Snowflake (GIF + Mara)
GuyInHell (GIF + kuribo)
AngelInFreezer (GIF + ArcAngel9}
Yggdra Union (GIF + TNE[and/or pieguy])
MVP (GIF + notsci + ???)
Icebox (GIF + Remembrance)
Team 9 (GIF + pieguy [+ Nati] [+Hanasawa])
Remilia Scarlet (GIF + bork)
Psychlone (GIF + nacho)
Emerald Kitty (GIF + Mala)
KoreanBBQ (GIF + Nero Cain)
Bacon and Egg (GIF + Wisdom)
Doomed Hyrule (GIF + Mac)
WhyDoWeEvenTry (GIF + bubba)
Minami no Hana (GIF + Sakura Hana)

I don't think I missed any.

[MastinSSK]

In buzzword Syryana's response was "ok cool you're town let's work together"
In here RBD looks like he's instead trying to discredit the counterclaim.

Get the difference?

The difference is the circumstances behind the claim. The person with the initial claim is town both times, but analyzes the separate counterclaims. I see the same mindset. I see a different conclusion, off of...a different counterclaim. Variable here isn't the alignment of the claimer; the variable is the claim of the CCer.

[Yggdra Union]

Also why does it matter that he claimed miller way late?
It's not like he held up and claimed miller after a cop scan on him or anything.

There's no alignment-indicative motivation to hold onto a anti-town role and counterclaim way later as long as that's done before the effect happens.

[MastinSSK]

Like, I don't see discrediting.

I see analysis, and concluding BS.

[Yggdra Union]

I mean, it doesn't take a lot of thinking to see that there's no scum motivation in what CF has done.
Maybe he could backtrack and claim that he was pulling a gamb- wait a minute. I'm pretty sure he went "THIS IS NOT A GAMBIT"

[Titan]

I'm going to sleep. I'm not voting CF, and I really really want Rancid to address the miller claim and why he's a miller if not a replica.

I'll be around tomorrow.