Tales of You (Abyss Neighborhood)

[borkjerfkin]

Do you think ffery is town?

[pieguyn]

Hello, FourTrouble here.

I'm thinking Mac is scum. Thoughts?

this doesn't work with rbd scum there were a few posts swhere rbd was blatantly manipulating mac

[CarbonFiber]

Wow, okay. Just had time to calm down. I'll wait for Ncaho to respond to my post before I write down the problems I had with this game and figure out my new approach which I'll detail in here so come next day, I will change my approach and win the game no matter what.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I think I made a ton of mistakes in this game while working with people. I also think I was way too negative about everyone. I'm going to use this night phase to do a massive paradigm shift in the way I work with others to help town win the game.

Mastin is probably writing a whole bunch of positive stuff in the scum QT about how he can use town's arrogance against them. Possibly writing about people in this neighborhood being arrogant, possibly about me. What he doesn't know is that I have so much passion to win this game, I am re-reading through the last several pages to see how I could have played better.

[borkjerfkin]

Wow, okay. Just had time to calm down. I'll wait for Ncaho to respond to my post before I write down the problems I had with this game and figure out my new approach which I'll detail in here so come next day, I will change my approach and win the game no matter what.

Nacho didn't talk to me at all about his orc read before he did it - I was reading him moderate town (especially due to his engagement with me and then indignant attitude with my lack of townread on him) until his fade, and it definitely wasn't on my radar to DL lynch him.

It's the weekend so imagine you'll get him on the line but anything else about it I'd rather not flesh out until postgame please.

[pieguyn]

wtf F-16 how is it your hydra joined before you did

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Pie, no idea what you are talking about. I was using my hydra account so far but since FT started posting, I decided to post from my main account.

Bork, not sure why you want to wait for me to outline my gamewinning strategy until postgame?

[pieguyn]

carbon fiber joined september 29
you joined october 24
how is that possible i dont even

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

GAME WINNING STRATEGY

This is like a counter-post to the types of people profiling that Mastin does when he is scum. This is for me to see how I can best work with everyone when I am town. I am using the quote feature so it is clearer as opposed to against the dark green background.

Here are the people that I believe to be town and here's why I fucked up working with them D1 and how I am going to make it better D2.

1) Yggdra Union

- My strongest townread. Completely on the same page as me. Pie in particular is awesome and so is GIF. The scum would be incredibly desperate to nightkill this slot. Like I was seriously feeling down about this game and Pie replacing in was the best, best thing that ever happened to town in any game that I was in. His posts are abosolutely awesome and I've never before felt this great about reading anyone's posts.

2) Just Sheep Us

- Again, we're on the same page. Nothing more needs to be said. You are raring to go for Rancid and Mastin, and I will back you up 100%. BRO, here are a couple of things that I think we should refine. Pushing so hard against Mastin and Rancid is sort of alienating the rest of the town just like in Anything Goes and I think the best way to do it is to try and relate to what others are saying and work out an optimal strategy from there. Saying that RBD scumclaimed isn't convincing anyone. Desperado, you were amazing as well and you make fantastic points about Mastin/RBD. We will win this no matter what. We are not having a repeat of Anything Goes. We are all going to work with the town. This town is great. It is amazing and if we try, we will not let scum win no matter what.

3) Titan

- Tammy is my strongest townread outside of the neighborhood and the one player who can easily see what I am saying even when my theories are a bit unconventional. I was frustrated with her not sheeping me when I was massively confident in a read that she was waffling on. Also, that she kept backing away saying I was trying to manipulate her everytime I asked her to vote my scumreads but didn't say the same for Nacho. The biggest, biggest thing that I missed here was that I never really tried to work with her during the last stage of Day 1. I only kept asking her to vote without seeing where she was coming from which would be cause to get her paranoid. For comparison, I am going to go over the Castle Zar game to see how well Empire managed to work with her genuinely seeing where she was coming from regarding Nobody Special on the last day. Contrast that with me asking her to vote my scumreads without really understanding where she was coming from or engaging her on it. I need to see the game the way she sees it, understand how she is reading people and get into the same mentality I did when syncing beautifully with her in Z-mafia and Pick your Poison. If we can both see the game from the same perspective and sync up, and attack the scum in a relatable way, scum are absolutely doomed. It is not fair for me to get frustrated at her for not seeing things my way when I put so little effort into seeing things her way. But D2 will change it all. I will give my absolute best effort into understanding where she is coming from and understanding her reads. We've worked together amazingly well on more than one occasion before and we will absolutely do it again if I genuinely care about seeing her perspective and not get caught up in the moment and impatiently try to get votes without seeing the other player's perspective. We worked so well in Z-mafia lynching Wisdom on D1 because we were so literally not only on the same page but also on the same line and the had the same level of certainty in the read every step of the way. There is barely anyone on the site I can work with as easily as Tammy.

4) Breakfast

- This is a read I am not massively confident about actually being town primarily because ffery's reads are a bit unbelievable. BUT, I'll assume town because Mastin and Rancid are bigger fish to fry and go with working with her. She wants her townreads to agree on each other - that's not happening with me and Rancid unless I find the last scumbag, so. This is one player who is just - I have no fucking idea how to go about it but I'll try to be as pleasant as possible and see where she is coming from regarding her reads. Beli has basically nailed Mastin and isn't budging. I think it is actually better if we push MastinSSK first because we'd have Beli seeing things the way we are and his scumflip will help ffery recalibrate her read on Rancid. Ffery in general always, always listens to people who were right about reads at the beginning of the game. She doesn't use reasoning to refine her reads but that's all right. When she sees that we were right about one of Mastin or Rancid, she will realize that and massively recalibrate and maybe even sheep us onto the other.

5) Ceph and DV

- I get massive paranoid vibes everytime I see Ceph post but he is at least on the same page as us regarding Rancid. I am not sure how to go about syncing with them on reads but DV is a smart player too and knows that I am town. What I need to do is try to get on the same page as them, ask for their reasoning for why they are scumreading who they are scumreading and sync not just on reads but also on the reasoning. In this case, DV is easier for me to work with than Ceph and his reasoning for Rancid accompanying that Disney picture was really, really fucking amazing and DV is an incredibly damn good player and there is literally no way that Ceph and DV are scum here. As long as I figure out their actual reasoning, ask them to elaborate, and genuinely care and engage with them, they will be a massive, massive help and together we can take the scum down.

6) RedGyarados

- Brian in general has such a massively different viewpoint than I do so I am not sure how to go about working with him. But the one thing that has been obvious to this slot is that I am town and understanding their reasoning for their reads will go a long, long way in getting their help in lynching scum.

7) Cupcake Panda

- We're on the same page regarding Mastin. Nothing much to add.

8) PeregrineV

- We're on the same page as Rancid. I really need to spend a lot of effort keeping him alive so it is more of trying to work with others to show them that he is town.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

carbon fiber joined september 29
you joined october 24
how is that possible i dont even

Oh, I created the CarbonFiber account a while ago as an alt but never used it. When FT and I decided to hydra, I just decided to use that old account. I had another account on here before this one but I didn't play much.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

So, I am re-evaluating every player in the game to figure out the scum. Pie help me out.

Town (Strongest->Weakest)

:
1 Yggdra Union - Obvtown. Strongest townread. Literally impossible to be scum.
2 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane) - Obvtown? Of course.
3 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado) - If anyone thinks BRO's post came from scum, they are kidding
4 Cupcake Panda - Trust level town according to BRO. Katsuki never lurks as scum
5 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV) - Also very, very fucking town
6 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8) - Has to be town because of Bork
7 PeregrineV - Positionally town because scum pushed him, other reasons in my mega-case

** Up until here, I'll bank the entire game on these reads**

(One scum is probably here)

8 Mac - Rancid seems to be manipulating him but FT has concerns
9 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience) - FT had concerns and tbh Brian Skies posts had no scumhunting but probably town
10 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli) - Consistent defense of Rancid/Mastin/AP threw me off
11 orcinus_theoriginal - Not sure what he was doing with regard to putting LB and breakfast so that threw me for a loop
12 Lord Business - Probtown from the way he approached the governer
13 Clyton - Don't like his voting Rancid and coming back to unvote. Probscum

Scum (Strongest->Weakest)

:
14 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)
15 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)
16 AngryPidgeon

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I can see all of the middle group being town except Clyton. The reason Clyton unvoted Rancid wasn't even because of a post Rancid made. He asked me a question about a post I made, quoted it, and then unvoted which makes zero sense.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

---Also, beyond this point, I am not going to get frustrated or say a single negative thing about anyone---

[BROseidon]

Hello, FourTrouble here.

I'm thinking Mac is scum. Thoughts?

this doesn't work with rbd scum there were a few posts swhere rbd was blatantly manipulating mac

I didn't see this and am still considering the Mac-scum option. Care to point it out?

[BROseidon]

I think I made a ton of mistakes in this game while working with people. I also think I was way too negative about everyone. I'm going to use this night phase to do a massive paradigm shift in the way I work with others to help town win the game.

Mastin is probably writing a whole bunch of positive stuff in the scum QT about how he can use town's arrogance against them. Possibly writing about people in this neighborhood being arrogant, possibly about me. What he doesn't know is that I have so much passion to win this game, I am re-reading through the last several pages to see how I could have played better.

I can't wait to see what mastin writes in the scum QT.

I'm going to have so much fun crushing her scummy ass.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Unvote

I'm at work and can't swap accounts but I'm feeling masochistic enough to force the NL and 1v1 tomorrow. So please count this Cabd.

F-16, if you really think both my scumbuddies hard defend me day one like this, Lol. Lolololol. If you did any research on me at all, you'd know I'm the goddamn king of bussing. Moreover, AP and mastin are both good enough players to know when to hold and when to fold. And were waaaay beyond the point of folding. I really don't give a fuck if you think I'm a um, but to build such a shit case is, like, I have actually no words.

But it is not beyond the point of folding. If they can derail your lynch today and get a lurker lynched, and then kill the best townies or the ones with most accurate reads, mislynch the others with the help of townies with wrong reads, you can maneuver yourself into a much stronger position.

On the other hand, if you get lynched, and Pie, BRO, Desp, and I all have our reads validated, it is going to be SO much harder for Mastin to avoid us all tunneling him then because for one, your scumflip would basically confirm people as town, and you would be down a member.

Also, your most recent read on me seems to be that I am town so I am not sure where you are going with the 1v1.

Nothing here states what will happen if RBD flips town, only the possibilities outside of that. So what if he does flip town? Does that mean my reads on you and JSU are validated and I can tunnel you two?

I feel me and Stalin are caught in this vortex of conflicting sides: people who truly believe RBD is scum and wants him dead, and people who are trying to save RBD because he is town. Heck, I think he's town, but I want him dead for the best of the town later on. I want to avoid a no lynch at all costs.

/Unvote

I'll have some faith in the people I trust. Stalin, what will you do? You clearly don't want to lynch RBD cause you think he's town. Who's the alternative then? I don't see PV being scummy; rather, there is a lack of townreads on him.

So, this was Clyton's post where he unvoted. For one, I feel like he is continuously misrepresenting the gamestate. For another, I feel like his buddying up to Stalin as some sort of objective player doesn't take into account that Stalin was rather invested in saving Rancid. So, it is basically a lie to say that Stalin is unbiased. Asking for Stalin's opinion when Stalin is townreading all the scum feels opportunistic.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

If I am wrong about AngryPidgeon like BRO says, it is not impossible for Breakfast to be scum.

For one, ffery has no scumreads at all. Her votes on JSU and Orc were opportunistic and didn't make any sense. Their slot overall has ONE scumread (MastinSSK) that they resolutely refuse to vote because Nati said that he is town. Their play doesn't make a lot of sense as town but there is that intangible thing that makes me think all of it is just wrong town. Would scum-ffery give a hug to scum-Nati in thread?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Nacho,

I probably vented way too much in that wall I made addressing you. The thing is that you weren't really reading things in perspective.

Rancid had made posts filled with vitrolic crap - for example, posts like this:

Unvote

I'm at work and can't swap accounts but I'm feeling masochistic enough to force the NL and 1v1 tomorrow. So please count this Cabd.

F-16, if you really think both my scumbuddies hard defend me day one like this, Lol. Lolololol. If you did any research on me at all, you'd know I'm the goddamn king of bussing. Moreover, AP and mastin are both good enough players to know when to hold and when to fold. And were waaaay beyond the point of folding. I really don't give a fuck if you think I'm a um, but to build such a shit case is, like, I have actually no words.

VOTE: PV because counterwagon or something.

F-16 when you lynch us and we flip town will you remember that mastin is town? Or will you sit there with your mouth firmly attached to the scum's dick still, because the amount of willful suspension you are showing is exactly why I had you down as scum for as long as I did.

Like drawing a three-way connection between us AP and Mastin on day one with no flips is just laughingly bad.

Pedit: holy shit at least when I have an ego, I do it in a way that's fun. You're so conceited its not even funny.

For you, Cabd
Because I like you as a mod
I'm sorry about this game
But reading F16's posts... ... ... Dear God

And I respond telling them that they are devolving into personal attacks.

And you respond with this:

RBD has basically devolved into personal attacks at this point.

F-16, stop.
The way that the gamestate has devolved to this point has essentially has created a game state that is not good for anyone, that is not fun for anyone, that is not the way that any of us enjoy playing mafia. I am skimming and my reads are better than you. In fact, I am skimming hard as fuck in about 20 minute bursts, and I can guarantee my reads are better than yours.

Instead of calling out Rancid on personal attacks, you are calling out ME for calling THEM out on personal attacks.

Getting myself lynched first, watching as the town lynches my strongest townread, and secretly hoping the town loses is my thing. Don't go stealing it!

*shrug*

If Nati doesn't want to be lynched, he won't be lynched. I asked him to do something that could probably be considered against the spirit of the game, but since it's not a rule violation (I don't think) it will basically conftown us

In case it wasn't already obvious, I've asked him to paraphrase our entire hydra QT re: this game (200~ish posts so far, almost entirely me) - from the pre-game receiving role reactions to current, in order

After this post, RBD shouldn't be considered as a lynch.
Would you consider anyone else for a lynch after they posted something like this? No. Fuck no. Is your only excuse "oh he's the Don Corelone and he could fake this"? Because that's a horrible excuse and you know it.

Why? It isn't unfakeable. The rest of their posts are massive discredits. Especially the ones where they complain about Tammy and I analyzing the game while not commenting on Mastin and AP. When BRO-Desp started posting, they started insulting them as well.

The pattern here is pretty clear. My posts were great. Tammy-posts were great. BRO-Desp posts were great. Pie-GIF posts were awesome. The common element here is that none of these posts contain "noise."

On the other hand, compare Mastin and AP's posts. They are full of fluff and useless back-and-forths that lead absolutely nowhere. If Rancid really were town that were frustrated, they would be telling Mastin and AP to shut the hell up already.

Who they are attacking personally basically involves who suspects them. If anyone suspects them, they are attacking that player personally and trying to discredit them. It is common throughout the game. Same with when The Fox and the Hound suspected them, they immediately reacted with a vote.

The scum agenda here is really apparent. Everyone that votes or FOSses the scum, the scum all gang up and try to push a wagon/insult players and repeatedly spam the game. No one is seeing through this because it is buried under the mountain of spam.

You can see the patterns emerging if you were actually here for the entire game. Telling me the gamestate isn't healthy is like preaching to a choir. And yet, you don't do the one thing that would MAKE the gamestate healthy which is lynching Rancid to remove all their personal crap. I know Tammy considered just lynching Muffin even if they were town and getting it over with so as to not let it get out of control but held back for Nati so at least it makes some sort of sense and I know for sure it has town motivation.

This actually bothers me about your affiliation even. Because if you think the gamestate isn't healthy, why were you so hellbent on derailing a wagon on someone that is cussing and swearing and insulting people? Your words feel really shallow when you talk about the health of the gamestate when your actions clearly indicated otherwise. Lynching Orc doesn't lead to a healthy gamestate. Rather lynching one of the spammers would let Orc catch up to the game and possibly give his best shot at winning. Bork has been really town but everything you did this game so far has been wtf.

I'm willing to flashlynch them.

It bothers me that BRO sprang to life with AP's arrival. The energy level and not really logical yelling remind me of 167.

This is sort of bad considering the reads list here.

I'm willing to flashlynch them.

It bothers me that BRO sprang to life with AP's arrival. The energy level and not really logical yelling remind me of 167.

I can buy that BRO was excited to see AP in the game and stepped up his game as a result.
I can't buy that townBRO would generate the carnival of lunacy that's happening now.

You are kidding, right? Like... seriously? C'mon Nacho, what is up with all this? I mean, I could buy someone outside of the neighborhood not believing BRO to be town but you've seen his posts in the QT. You've seen his posts here and you are STILL arguing that he could possibly be scum? I don't even know what to tell you. Also, everything I've seen so far has been consistent with your scumgame and the only reason I have a super-strong townread on your slot is because of Bork. Pie, please tell me I am going on a massive paranoia lane and that Kagura is town and I am being stupid.

What the fuck, Nacho?

Do you understand why I'm so frustrated at the moment?
Because if not, take a step back from the game and please reread again.

No.

I re-read the game as is evident by me pulling up the end of D1 quotes.

I don't see why you are frustrated at me. (I addressed my frustrations in that long wall I made yesterday).

You have reason to be frustrated but shouldn't it be directed towards Rancid?

I like AP better for town.

I mean this crap over the last few hours just doesn't make sense to me.

Hate, hate, hate this.

What the fuck, Nacho?

Do you understand why I'm so frustrated at the moment?
Because if not, take a step back from the game and please reread again.

I don't. If I was, I wouldn't have asked. I am really trying to understand why the only people on the same page as me are Pieguyn and BRO and Desp and not you or Tammy who are incredibly easy to be on the same page with. If I made a mistake, I'd rather you just bring it up so I can play better. I am not sure why me asking for votes on a wagon feels like "manipulation" for one.

I havent accused you of being manipulative at all.
Reconcile scum-Muffin with the recent meltdown.

I get that you are saying he is good enough to talk his way out a lynch but he he's basically been counterclaimed, reacted horribly, and then wagoned towards deadline before you showed up to save him from a lynch. He might have been able to talk his way out if Pieguy hadn't replaced in and started launching an attack on both him and Mastin re-inforcing what me, Ceph-DV, and BRO-Desp are doing.

That's another thing that bugs me about you is that you actually, legitimately believe you have better reads after a skimthrough than all of us combined after we were involved in the game to its core. BUT, Bork's obvtown so no idea what the heck is going on.

I expect you to care about my opinion as a player enough to recognize that I'm incredibly frustrated right now and seeing something going horribly horribly wrong with the RBD wagon and am not screaming for it to stop full stop for absolutely no reason. My thoughts aren't wrong, correct?

You're frustrated? Gimme a break. You weren't even IN the game. What frustrated you?

I mean, all these days that the game has been unfolding and people have been trying to get reads, and make progress, all of this time, you were nowhere to be seen and did nothing. All of a sudden, you show up and you are

frustrated

? With... what exactly?

Am I massively reading you wrong? Is Tammy right about you bussing Orc?

I've talked about my big glaring town tell for RBD.
Why are you ignoring it?

I've talked about why RBD is scum based on their entire body of work. It's not something I expect you to pick up on a 20 minute skim when I played this game for eighteen days to figure it out. That's also part of the reason your play on the last day was annoying since I was massively certain about this read, more certain than usual and you are ignoring my certainty and saying I should listen to you when you haven't even been here. Your "towntell" isn't unfakeable and doesn't outweigh the body of work scumread I had. I didn't get a chance to respond to it in the thread though.

Getting myself lynched first, watching as the town lynches my strongest townread, and secretly hoping the town loses is my thing. Don't go stealing it!

*shrug*

If Nati doesn't want to be lynched, he won't be lynched. I asked him to do something that could probably be considered against the spirit of the game, but since it's not a rule violation (I don't think) it will basically conftown us

In case it wasn't already obvious, I've asked him to paraphrase our entire hydra QT re: this game (200~ish posts so far, almost entirely me) - from the pre-game receiving role reactions to current, in order

I once again remind all people wagonning RBD of the post that should be enough to yank them out of their tunnel stupors.

If they do it and it looks genuine, I'd probably be swayed, but otherwise not by this alone.

They can't do it because it's a massive rules violation.
The way that this situation has come about is incredibly town and I really want you to think about if this comes from scum or not. Do you really think tha Muffin and Nati's frustration is fake, bullshitted, come up out of the blue? Because we have all seen Muffin fight lynches before. Has he ever fought a lynch like this at all?

You can also talk about this, F-16.

What exactly do you want to talk about? You're just not seeing how desperate they are to avoid a lynch. They'll do anything and everything they can to avoid it. This isn't scummy if they admitted that they don't want to be mislynched. But they are saying "lynch me" to garner sympathy while avoiding the lynch. Muffin posts personal QTs as scum. You saw this in NY169. Do you actually, genuinely believe that Muffin-Nati don't have a "town" looking hydra QT where they post their "town" thoughts and reads in addition to Cabd's daytalk? They can simply paraphrase their faked thoughts.

F-16, you're still ignoring me.

I wasn't deliberately ignoring you. The game moved at such a fast pace that I could barely type posts amongst the multitude of pedits and and was massively skimming the thread. I only now started reading every post in detail. There are so many that I missed. But this is a rather absurd thing to say, to come into the thread after I spent that much effort building a wagon on Rancid and trying desperately to convince everyone to back off. You could have worked with to get Mastin lynched if you were opposed to a Rancid wagon for instance but you didn't. I don't understand why you were so desperate to derail both wagons rather than not post at all and come back D2, analyze the flips and so on. Honestly, this reminds me of that game where you were partnered with McStab as well as NY169.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

mastin's reaction to BRO was

100% a scum reaction

. town actually gives a shit about the other players in the game. he does not.

because he is deliberately trying to induce apathy and feelings of despair in town.

he's scum who doesn't know how to react to it going to o far, so he jsut ignores it and hopes he can just skate by.

you can all listen to me and lynch obvscum today, or you can just watch it all fly by. your call

I'll just keep repeating this till you all listen to me kthx

-Y

If you vote orcinus today, I will listen to you tomorrow.

Why don't I get this same offer?

I'm on the end of my rope right now.
I hoped that reaching out to you and getting you to see my point would be the easiest aspect of turning this game around. It wasn't, and that's a large part of the reason why I'm so frustrated right now.

I've probably responded to this in effect in my two walls but you really didn't reach out at all. You jumped in and started working with the scum to derail a wagon that several of us spent a massive amount of effort to build to deadline lynch a lurkertown.

[borkjerfkin]

Pie, no idea what you are talking about. I was using my hydra account so far but since FT started posting, I decided to post from my main account.

Bork, not sure why you want to wait for me to outline my gamewinning strategy until postgame?

Sorry, not what I meant.

Was just frustrated last night. Also drunk.

[BROseidon]

You are kidding, right? Like... seriously? C'mon Nacho, what is up with all this? I mean, I could buy someone outside of the neighborhood not believing BRO to be town but you've seen his posts in the QT. You've seen his posts here and you are STILL arguing that he could possibly be scum? I don't even know what to tell you. Also, everything I've seen so far has been consistent with your scumgame and the only reason I have a super-strong townread on your slot is because of Bork. Pie, please tell me I am going on a massive paranoia lane and that Kagura is town and I am being stupid.

The post you responded to here was one of the major things that sent me spiraling. I called Nacho on it in game, but I'm going to do it here just to make sure he sees it.

Nacho, the carnival of lunacy has been entirely caused by RBD/mastin/AP. Me getting aggressive in response to nobody listening to me and getting constantly discredited, ad hommed, and emotionally abused by scum is not me causing a "carnival of lunacy." It's me cutting through the bullshit to get the carnival of lunacy to stop.

If you're town, you're gonna take a step back and follow for once. I get that you're used to being the town leader, but this is not the game for you to be leading. We have a lot of other strong players who have reading abilities on par to yours who are a lot more invested in this game than you are. I get that it's not your fault, but that doesn't change the fact that other players are putting in a lot more leg work. You need to respect that and not come into the game after being AWOL for several days and starting up 3-4 shit wagons when there are multiple scum that are generating noise, being obvious about it, and yet not going down.

[BROseidon]

Desp doesn't seem to be online right now. I want to talk to him about what we do with our vote in the cage match.

I'm getting really close to just putting it on ffery/beli and being done with it.

[BROseidon]

LB's reads are also giving me the heebie-jeebies, as is the self-vote.

Here's my read list right now, with a few annotations:

There is a <1% chance of scum being in this group:

12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado) <–Shining paragon of town. I'm probably gonna change that avatar to something more threatening, a la my Dodger avi on this account.
3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn)<–You fuckers should have listened to me before pie replaced in, because of ~reasons~ involving my ability to understand what GiF is doing.
5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)
10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)


There is a <20% chance of scum being in this group

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV) <–The reason this isn't up a tier is out of respect for Ceph's scumgame
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling) <–I'm going to strong-arm him into working with me next day phase, and that should solidify this for myself and everyone else.
14 Cupcake Panda<–As much as everyone calls my argument here meta, it's meta+some other theory stuff I have about how scum behave.
15 PeregrineV<–Designated scum mislynch #1
17 Mac <–Token townie that's wrapped up in scum's bullshit.

Townier-nulllandia

13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience) <–Early involvement read town, but ns is a lurk sack in his scum games and he's doing that right now.
4 orcinus_theoriginal<–Play isn't inspired, and there are a few things that are making me think of his Teen Wolf Mafia self, but his play's been kind of shit across the board recently

Scummier nulllandia

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8) <–Was previously up two tiers but is now here after that end-of-day shitshow
11 Lord Business
16 Clyton

Probs scum

8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)<–F-16's "intangibles" argument is fairly meh in the face of everything else

If these things flip town I'm going to drown my sorrows in my giant-ass collection of booze that I need to get rid of anyway:

6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha) <–Needs to be killed with fire 1000000000000 times
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK) <–Ditto

Not sure how in/out of sync this is with Desp.

[Desperado]

you might as well have fucking datamined my brain

[Desperado]

move brian/ns hydra up one, mac down one, ap down two and kagura up two and you have my reads