Tales of You (Abyss Neighborhood)

[Desperado]

if you can explain why we all should have been townreading muffinnati before they stopped trolling, then i will drop my scumread on them right now.

[borkjerfkin]

Christ.

Look:

At this point RBD is worth more dead than alive, even if he is town. His role does

nothing

fucking useful and he's pretty much driving this hood apart. If he gladiates someone I have any sort of townread on tomorrow (and that includes pretty much everyone here) I'm going to vote him. And I won't be surprised if he flips town, nor will I really give a fuck. This shit is getting so close to ad-hom derived from read dissonance that I don't even want to fucking deal with it most of the time.

I'm sorry if you disagree Nacho but this really isn't fucking working right now.

i don't have time to communicate to bork because i don't have his phone number and am rarely around computers. i also read other games as well!

...then tell me these things? How was I supposed to know this?
Anyway, check your PM box.

[Nachomamma8]

#2738: This is feeding into confirmation bias based o n pretty much nothing. Muffin uses "actually" a lot. He used "I will" once. None of this is motivation behind actions, none of this considers alignment.

#2764: Interpreting a player's posts literally and assigning scum motivation to it is generally bad for obvious reasons.

Tree stump conversation is useless, but isn't carnival of lunacy.

Conversation with ffery is a sign of not liking the conclusion, dismissing the conversation completely.

Before this point, there was a good portion of sheer rhetoric and literally nothing else.

[Nachomamma8]

Before this point, there was a good portion of sheer rhetoric and literally nothing else.

This was generally the carnival of lunacy point that frustrated me and was the point where BRO pretty much got carried away and stopped thinking, which was where the slap would have done him good.

[Nachomamma8]

and your reasons for rbdtown are not good. nati was "frustrated" about being scumread in game that muffin had clearly stated neither of them had even intended on playing (and where his slot had spent the first 50 pages posting nothing but poems ((trolling))).

and the qt situation was at best null (scum hydras can have a QT too) and more likely just an empty promise designed to look town.

why do you need to be extremely invested and playing seriously in order to be frustrated about a game?

[Desperado]

because you don't get to troll and not play the game and then get upset when someone calls you scum for it.

[Nachomamma8]

And as far as their trolling goes...

SSK townread - #61
Townread strengthened - #178, paranoia based on buddying
Fox scumread - #316
#338 - LB, CF, Kagura, Mac strong town + RG/Cupcake weaker town + Clyton town

[Nachomamma8]

I mean, it isn't hard to see that they were thinking about the game and still forming reads even if they rhymed while they did so.

[Nachomamma8]

And I certainly was frustrated in Too Many Heads even though my opening admittedly was a lot of trolling and scumhunting between the lines, which is pretty much what their early posting consists of.

[Nachomamma8]

And reading through their ISO, frustration doesn't come until a significant amount of involvement.

[Nachomamma8]

In fact, significant signs of frustration don't come until the giant wall.

[Desperado]

And reading through their ISO, frustration doesn't come until a significant amount of involvement.

again, you're towning them based on nati's frustration when muffin clearly says that nati isn't even playing.

[Nachomamma8]

Now, Nati frustration coming after a short amount of involvement: I see points where Nati is playing.

[Nachomamma8]

Like, not only was SSK's temper tantrum super town, but mastin is excited and hyped about this game in some measure--which was, believe it or not, my intention in dragging her sorry ass into that hydra anyway. And I'm appealing to real life, but i don't think mastin would be able to be this enthusiastic about the game given the mental health issues if everyone was right. Like, I know this is a horrible argument but I'm very well-in-touch with emotional thinking.

This streak of posts was Nati and was before the frustration.

[Nachomamma8]

I would actually like to be lynched (just because I literally do not want town to win this, which is why I'm stepping back and giving full control of play to Nati because I cannot play to win con)

And then I would like for mastin to be lynched after us just so town is in a really shit position

I have told Nati what he should do if he still cares about winning - it's a cheap tactic (and i don't think it's a rule violation but i told him to check with cabd before he does it), but if you still think we're scum after it happens, you literally have no idea how to scum hunt

If you have any sense you'll wait to see whether he decides to do what I told him to do. I don't care either way, though.

This is frustration I'm referring to and townreading: it is muffin's frustration, not Nati's.

[Desperado]

are we even talking about the same point?

cuz i'm talking about how they stopped trolling immediately after i voted them (when muffin said that nati's made two posts in the last week) and then nati showed up and blamed f-16 and titan for causing her eyes to bleed and hailing ap and mastin for their brevity.

iso's 55-60

[Nachomamma8]

nati showed up and blamed f-16 and titan for causing her eyes to bleed and hailing ap and mastin for their brevity.

first, i don't think nati preferring ap and mastin over f-16 is anymore significant than f-16 liking you over ap and mastin

[Nachomamma8]

we're definitely not talking about the same point, though
why do i care they stopped trolling after you voted them?

[Nachomamma8]

here's why i wouldn't care: muffin normally gets more serious when people vote him
i get more serious when people vote me (see: xenogears, too many heads) and i think a lot of players are that way regardless of alignment so

[Nachomamma8]

i'm also getting too tired to carry on a conversation at this point.

[Desperado]

first, i don't think nati preferring ap and mastin over f-16 is anymore significant than f-16 liking you over ap and mastin

it is significant when the last thing ap and mastin were showing was brevity. it was completely out of step with what was happening in the thread.

[Desperado]

we're definitely not talking about the same point, though
why do i care they stopped trolling after you voted them?

from my point of view, if them trolling was just a carefree town thing they wouldn't have snapped out of it and immediately into discredit mode the moment someone voted them for it.

[Desperado]

i'm also getting too tired to carry on a conversation at this point.

then go to bed

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Paragraph one: The effort you've poured into getting a lynch and the passion you have while pushing said lynch means absolutely nothing as far as the alignment of the people you are pushing goes. Do you expect me to set aside my opinion and my pushes because you are more invested in the game and you have out more effort pushing than I have? Do you expect me to be quiet and accept whatever direction others push because your production is more impressive than mine? That is a naive mindset: effort =\= right.

Again, you have the same language that I'm derailing all of your hard work and I'm expressing my viewpoints and that makes me an asshole (I don't understand how you think you can pop in and derail something I worked so hard to accomplish)... Again, if you want me to be invested like you act like you want me to be, I will be aggressive. And if I disagree with the reads that you have, I will express my disagreement loudly and immediately. Saying that I am impossible o work with because "I won't vote any of the scum" is not exactly a fair statement: working with a player is taking their reads into account and adjusting accordingly, not forcing them to vote your way, and your single-minded pursuit of your suspects is cool and all but don't drag me in and ask me to work with you if you don't want to work through anything.

I don't know anything.
I didn't read the thread.
Except... I did read the thread. And I've known Mastin for three years longer than you have, and I know him far more intimately than you do. Mastin was frustrated, Mastin was angry. I don't think Mastin was trying to make BRO have an emotional breakdown and I think the accusation is a little extreme. I do get that scum would be in a hard place if the narrative that you're building is true.

Yes, I'm telling you you're not working with me when you're pissed at me for "not pushing your scumreads". I have never asked anyone to push my scumreads for me when asking to work with them, and you asking that from me and getting angry when I refuse illustrates my point completely.

I know effort =/= right but you're the one who showed up on the day of deadline critisizing me for saying that RBD have devolved into ad-homs and telling me that I am not working with you which wouldn't have happened if you had made any effort to work with me. Why didn't you post in the neighborhood and talk to me about my push on RBD?

I don't expect you to put aside your reads, I expect you at the very least to not blame me for the crapshoot of a gamestate that Muffin created and if you are so frustrated with it, to tell him to stop with the insults and the ad-homs and not me for calling them out.

I'm not frustrated at you for not pushing at my scumreads, I am frustrated at you for derailing it. Meaning if you had done nothing, I would not have been frustrated. I am also frustrated that you blame me for the state of the game instead of the people that are actually responsible for it.

[BROseidon]

Before this point, there was a good portion of sheer rhetoric and literally nothing else.

This was generally the carnival of lunacy point that frustrated me and was the point where BRO pretty much got carried away and stopped thinking, which was where the slap would have done him good.

1) I can only stop thinking when I'm asleep. Think of me like the thinking version of a shark.

2) I have RBD's scum-chance at >95%, which means that the only way I let up is if they build an absurd amount of town-equity, or a PR comes in and tells me I'm wrong.

I made an initial push.

Everything from that initial push forward has indicated to me that they're scum

. It's not a question of "not thinking." You could argue that I'm looking at things the wrong way, but not that I'm not thinking.