In post 3566, Clyton wrote:See AP, this is what I don't understand. What is the rationale for a roleblocker to RB you? If it is a town RB, why RB a claimed cop? Take the chance and use the information he provides (even with fake; importance being using it as an alternative guideline) while RBing other suspects with potential kill power. Based on the kill results, there were two kills, one obviously done by scum, therefore highlighting the importance of RBing the correct target rather than someone who claimed cop. If it is a scum RB, you outright stated the mafia can choose who you will investigate. They can manipulate in many ways possible with this. There is no gain for the mafia roleblocker to RB you.
Why wouldn't a roleblocker block me? Obviously Im not speculating that I was roleblocked by town, I think scum blocked me.
There is gain for the mafia to RB me though, a result is a result. Im actually slightly awed by this role as far as the balance/setup designer in me goes in that I cant quite place just how powerful I think it is, but it DOES return hard results still. Yes the mafia has more room for working around it (by forcing me to investigate less optimal targets, basically making full guilties unlikely or just killing someone on my list) but that still forces the mafia to make suboptimal kills or conftown someone that was in a shortlist in the first place. It makes complete sense for mafia to want to stop that. You spend most of your time spec'ing on why town wouldnt want to RB me..and I agree. Why do you think scum would have no motive to do it though?
I believe there are more significant targets to roleblock. My suspicions about Cabd's power distribution for the town roles were confirmed when I saw RBD dead, most likely by someone outside of scum. It was confirmed that there were only two factions. Ideally, the mafia should be trying to get rid of that vigilante. While a hard result on someone is devastating, it does not "seal the deal." They can still deal with that result in multiple ways. You can't deal anything when you're dead.
In post 3569, MastinSSK wrote:Look. I'm not saying you should blindly trust Rancid's read on me.
And how is dropping all of my suspicion because "Muffinati said so" anything but?
In post 3569, MastinSSK wrote:By putting in someone who is obvtown and someone who isn't with both being town, it's win-win. Obvtown lynched, an obvtown player got lynched. Mislynch got lynched? Mislynch got mislynched. It's the optimum scum strategy.
That's still spending a mislynch that could be a game-saver in lylo, whereas putting "scumreads" who are actually both town saves face
and
gets a mislynch.
User formerly known as Sc*mf*ck.
Hydra of fferylt and Belisarius; clever signature line to be decided later
@Fox, I can sum up my rebuttals here. But the expected response (that is inherently scummy) from me will obviously be "but I haven't revealed my full playstyle in a large game yet!" And that part is true. I gave my off-site mafia experience link, and if you look through some of the games, there were instances that I took gambits and risks because it was necessary. The necessary thing in my perspective is to get rid of Day 1's noise and establish the town on better ground. Yet in Day 2, the debates that happened in Day 1
somewhat
spilled over here.
I'll outright state that I will disregard my exercise to caution the next day if this day does not bode well for the town. I'll softclaim that my role is partly an informative type, and I will use this information to my resources.
Realistically, no one can prevent that however if it wasn't for the revelation of orc's role and his adamant intention to put two non-obvious townies against one another. I've done my best to quell the noise coming from Mastin in regards to confronting me, but for others like PV, JSU and possibly CF, they see differently and will probably continue the push.
I felt like we were pretty damn obvious town by late day 1. To me it looked like orcinus set up a situation where either the lurker was lynched or it went to no-lynch.
User formerly known as Sc*mf*ck.
Hydra of fferylt and Belisarius; clever signature line to be decided later
In post 3459, MastinSSK wrote:Kagura, Rancid, DesBRO, and Mac are the players that are townreads I'm willing to risk the game off of. Don't care what anyone else says on them. They're all town.
Really mastin? Your townread on Kagura is because Nacho made some passing comment about posting in the hydra QT? That hinges on Nacho not ever using the hydra QT over a neighbor QT which I just find to be a beyond terrible assumption on your end but ok.
This doesn't sound like someone with a result on Kagura. Either you have a town result and know I'm right and thus don't bother, or you have a scum result, know I'm wrong, and either ask me calmly about my Kagura read (if you doubt me), or keep silent (if you think me town-that's-wrong).
Also, do explain the logic behind why you investigated who you did, and more importantly, why you didn't investigate who you didn't.
@Fox, I can sum up my rebuttals here. But the expected response (that is inherently scummy) from me will obviously be "but I haven't revealed my full playstyle in a large game yet!" And that part is true. I gave my off-site mafia experience link, and if you look through some of the games, there were instances that I took gambits and risks because it was necessary. The necessary thing in my perspective is to get rid of Day 1's noise and establish the town on better ground. Yet in Day 2, the debates that happened in Day 1
somewhat
spilled over here.
I'll outright state that I will disregard my exercise to caution the next day if this day does not bode well for the town. I'll softclaim that my role is partly an informative type, and I will use this information to my resources.
Realistically, no one can prevent that however if it wasn't for the revelation of orc's role and his adamant intention to put two non-obvious townies against one another. I've done my best to quell the noise coming from Mastin in regards to confronting me, but for others like PV, JSU and possibly CF, they see differently and will probably continue the push.
I'm not sure I get how this actually addresses the particular issue I was bringing up but I'll go back and look at how you responded to the one point in question.
In post 874, The Fox and the Hound wrote:I don't see how I could've made 592 as scum. I would have had to fake my thoughts on Mastin to look like I'd posted them in a hydra QT two days prior and I don't go to those kinds of lengths as scum.
Wait, people think this is scum? Has it done something absurdly scummy?
In post 2308, AngryPidgeon wrote:Players I wont lynch Today: titan, Orcinus, Mac, Stalin, RBD, Foxhound, Clyton
In post 3552, PeregrineV wrote:I guess you owe Stalin a big thanks. Maybe buy him breakfast.
Are they ok with Lunch? Im more of a lunch person
Since you are interested in this evidently. Why do you think I was given Kagura to investigate over you or Orci?
In post 3562, Clyton wrote:Then one final question. I want to know why you thought Kagura was scum for the most of yesterday. Aside from people giving him conftown reads based on prior games, and overall null reads from other people based on his lack of activity, the scumreads on Kagura didn't become apparent until late Day 1, where he suddenly appeared in a weird timing (as CF and the neighbours discussed). If I missed something, correct me. But reference the very beginning post that you thought Kagura was scum for reasons, assuming it is not part of the late Day 1 phase.
Ehhhh, gut?
Mastin
cop
out answer I know. I just really felt it off for Nacho to swoop in and say "Ya sup guys. Bork is pretty town so Im just going to let him keep doing his thing" instead of .. actually doing town motivated things like scumhunting? I mean if they are scum then that sentiment makes complete sense >.>
I didn't find anything Bork posted to be extremely town unlike what a lot of people were saying and I went through and ISOd them at one point to try and understand (mostly mastin/stalins) assertion that they were town and didn't see it. I havent gotten the impression that they were overly vested in things they find interesting, or to try and qualify that... scumhunting? A lot of Bork posts are sort of cutesy but ultimately just have looked like hes just playingto what other people wnat to see from him. NAcho has done nothing for me.
Its possible that Im simply missing a lot of the picture due to their posting in the neighborhood as opposed to the thread for some of their opinions.
Oh I also disliked Bork's response to me voting him originally. He spent way more time telling me that my point about his verbage wrt QTs was scummy/bad without really following up on me or otherwise attempting to sort me or address my other less tangible concerns. So ya.
ALL THAT SAID, Im a little unsure how I fee labout them. I doubt scum would let me investigate Kagura regardless of their plan to RB me so Im guessing Kagura is more likely just town atm.
In post 3537, Kagura wrote:AP: Your (Actual, no BS) investigate target in your next post with the result you got.
You and I was explicitly told that my role failed.
This is not you having a result.
This is you explicitly NOT having a result.
Which if. (Big if.) You were town. The scum already would know more likely than not, barring another town blocking role or Kagura being one of the roles that fails investigations instantly.
@Fox, I can sum up my rebuttals here. But the expected response (that is inherently scummy) from me will obviously be "but I haven't revealed my full playstyle in a large game yet!" And that part is true. I gave my off-site mafia experience link, and if you look through some of the games, there were instances that I took gambits and risks because it was necessary. The necessary thing in my perspective is to get rid of Day 1's noise and establish the town on better ground. Yet in Day 2, the debates that happened in Day 1
somewhat
spilled over here.
I'll outright state that I will disregard my exercise to caution the next day if this day does not bode well for the town. I'll softclaim that my role is partly an informative type, and I will use this information to my resources.
Realistically, no one can prevent that however if it wasn't for the revelation of orc's role and his adamant intention to put two non-obvious townies against one another. I've done my best to quell the noise coming from Mastin in regards to confronting me, but for others like PV, JSU and possibly CF, they see differently and will probably continue the push.
I felt like we were pretty damn obvious town by late day 1. To me it looked like orcinus set up a situation where either the lurker was lynched or it went to no-lynch.
My earlier reads also stated that LB was pretty darn town in my eyes. Not everyone share the same sentiments, and I was panicking when it was not me and Mastin (two high scum suspects) being put up on the gladiating table (I'm still not pleased with how orc used his role, but what's done is done). My fears were dispelled when LB had some sort of revival ability.
Clyton wrote:And I'm still considering my reads on you.
The govern ability is a fucking gladiate. A 1v1 IN WHICH ONE OF US GETS LYNCHED. You offered to go into it. You're saying you were still trying to figure me out. Yet you offered to go what is essentially a death-match where one of us lives and the other dies. Which might be okay if you actually meant you'd be willing to self-sacrifice.
But you made it clear that you had a case on me being scum...
...While also saying you needed to analyze me...
...And also offering up to enter into a literal 1v1 where there is NO other options...
...While insisting that you're still being a cautious, logical player.
It doesn't add up.
Your attitude if different, I could see as coming from town.
Entering into a 1v1 and trying to figure me out, I can see as town albeit unlikely, because if you're willing to self-sacrifice, it's a good move. But you said you had a case on me, which heavily implies you intend to win the fight, and not bother figuring me out.
Entering into a 1v1 if you've already done the analysis and have a case makes sense--it means you fully believe me to be scum, and are willing to risk your life to prove it. Yet you claimed that you hadn't done the analysis, and now are also claiming you didn't have a read on me figured out.
Not entering into a 1v1 if you haven't done the analysis makes sense--you might have a case, but because you're not sure of it, you're not going to recklessly push it.
You're trying to claim three things simultaneously. That you thought I was scum, that you were trying to figure things out, and that you were willing to risk your life.
From a logical player, you can have two of the three. But not all three simultaneously; that's playing about as illogical as can be.
I said it before you posted/took the chance to p-edit. You don't know the full nature of my playstyle, nor anyone else here. I can easily forgo my right to caution for a more aggressive, risk-taking approach if the situation is right for me to do so. This of course, is something impossible for you to argue against (in regards to my unrevealed full playstyle), so I would not say this is an appropriate defense for me. I don't mind if you continue to see me as scum, but I can tell you that the reasons for my illogical approach can be explained purely within my playstyle should the game continue to be more unfavorable for town.
You as my strongest scumread and something I'm still trying to figure it out, while taking the risk of my life to deal with it, is something I wouldn't mind doing in 9/10 scenarios. You saw my spiel on sacrifice. I am but only a town member. I will easily sacrifice myself if the situation gets worse the next day depending on today's lynch/night kills so the town can have some leverage.
(Outside the spoiler since this is the most important bit.)
Spoiler: Clyton
Are you sure you got that statement right?
Pretty sure, you just were saying it earlier in your posting in fact. I quoted some of it before.
I was under the assumption that was how you always acted, not because you are frustrated to the point of giving up.
You were under the impression that CAPS LOCK RAGE and fullclaiming randomly were the norm for me?
I was compromised. Not a little. A lot.
Not a lot of people can differentiate if you were truly frustrated or you were enacting that strategy.
Hint: Rancid was one of them and is now dead. Kagura is another of them. Mac was no slouch, either.
You yourself admitted not to trust in the word of the person saying it, but in the words of others supporting it. And, well. Others supported it.
Kill you? No. I wish to understand you.
Bullshit. Maybe you're pretending to do so now. But you offered to fucking 1v1 me. As said, that doesn't come from someone trying to understand; that comes from someone who is trying to kill.
Yet how can you explain other people being so adamant about you being scum?
Already have. Basically, it boils down to them living in the past and extreme arrogance.
Unfortunately, people have already agreed that your role is not truly town-indicative.
Not the point I was making. The point I was making is that my role means I can't get nightkilled. Meaning that I can afford to keep pushing and pushing and failing...
because I cannot die, I cannot be gotten rid of, and I cannot be removed
.
A killer has yet to target you today.
Actually, about that. A killer might have done so already. I'm not going to elaborate for obvious reasons. Just something that I picked up, and if I was even remotely correct, they know who they are and why I know them and think that they shot me.
In post 3480, Clyton wrote:"The here and now?" Still references reads based on previous games on particular players (Kagura, AP, PV, etc.) and does not seem to be objectively reading them in the context of this game.
I'm not? The closest you can come to me having done that is Fox/Hound in Xeno, but even then, I wasn't using Xeno to read them. I read Fox/Hound, Rancid, Kagura, AP, and PV and so on and so forth on the here and now. I also described the generalities of their playstyles, and how I know them and they know me. All general things, not linked to a specific game. I even explicitly explained what I meant. That I reference the general, and that's how I think, and may have a recent game where that trait was strongest, but that I'm not using that game specifically; I still mean it generally. Which is still in the here and the now.
I doubt there were any frustration posts due to her consistency with his playstyle and thinking for this game based on her role, till near the end of Day 1 (not as apparent as RBD's though).
Town, scum, doesn't matter. I say I was frustrated, I was fucking frustrated. The reasons differ, the results do not. (I don't do fakerage. Fakerage is, well...faked. And blatantly obviously so. Now, granted. There are fewer things that tick off a scum me. There's a reason why at times, it was considered a towntell for me to lose my shit: because a scum-me when suspected has a "meh, whatevs" attitude and is okay with it since the players suspecting me are right; a town-me...doesn't. But there are things that can tick off a scum me. Most of them being personal, like a player insulting my competency, or being hilariously wrong about their scumread on me yet frustratingly right in spite of that. [Yes, a scum me gets royally ticked off at Right-For-The-Wrong-Reasons.] Or me having a legitimate scumread as scum and not being able to get them lynched. Things like that, as scum, will cause legitimate rage.)
Mastin did not know how to handle herself once her (supposed) role was claimed to the public.
No shit, sherlock. BP claimed BP. Will no longer be able to get shot at. How'd you handle that? It took me 'til today to realize that I can still be a pain in the ass for scum. (Also, it's a
really fucking bad idea
to claim to be BP when you're not actually a BP as either alignment, really.)
Although it is not a strong scumread, it is probably his 2nd strongest scumread based on his list.
Correct. I don't have many scumreads, and bluntly, I don't need to. Perk of my role, I suppose.
(This one is a fair general question, so is outside the spoiler.)
Why the push against PV?
Because he's my strongest scumread.
But seriously. It's partially (okay, largely) POE. It's partially that I'm not putting much stock in the case for him being town. It's partially that I'm not liking most of his posting. It's largely gut. But honestly, it's mainly sheeping Rancid.
In post 3468, MastinSSK wrote:And again, there's a dissonance via insisting RBD is town yet not taking their read on me into consideration.
Only in an alternate universe where townies are always right and mafia games are always short.
Look. I'm not saying you should blindly trust Rancid's read on me. That would be the alternate universe. I mean, I'd like to. I'd love to say that. But I'm not. It's theoretically possible for me to have fooled the players who know me best, I guess, especially short-term.
...But you're not even taking it into consideration. It's had zero influence over your read. You're discarding it, casting away that vital piece of evidence. Which was formed...over the course of nineteen fucking days. Not short-term by any stretch of the imagination.
Scenario: Orci is scum. He therefore knows who is town and who isn't. He puts two
non-obvious
townies in.
...And is removing a late-game mislynch, while potentially also making the survivor be obvtown in the process, costing him a second mislynch.
By putting in someone who is obvtown and someone who isn't with both being town, it's win-win. Obvtown lynched, an obvtown player got lynched. Mislynch got lynched? Mislynch got mislynched. It's the optimum scum strategy.
I almost want to say that AP's competency as scum means he wouldn't bother trying to pull this stunt as scum and would only pull the derp-gambit as town.
Almost.
VOTE: AngryPidgeon.
Butyeah. This is AP as scum. He's not going to pull a stunt like this as town.
In post 3566, Clyton wrote:See AP, this is what I don't understand. What is the rationale for a roleblocker to RB you? If it is a town RB, why RB a claimed cop? Take the chance and use the information he provides (even with fake; importance being using it as an alternative guideline) while RBing other suspects with potential kill power. Based on the kill results, there were two kills, one obviously done by scum, therefore highlighting the importance of RBing the correct target rather than someone who claimed cop. If it is a scum RB, you outright stated the mafia can choose who you will investigate. They can manipulate in many ways possible with this. There is no gain for the mafia roleblocker to RB you.
Why wouldn't a roleblocker block me? Obviously Im not speculating that I was roleblocked by town, I think scum blocked me.
There is gain for the mafia to RB me though, a result is a result. Im actually slightly awed by this role as far as the balance/setup designer in me goes in that I cant quite place just how powerful I think it is, but it DOES return hard results still. Yes the mafia has more room for working around it (by forcing me to investigate less optimal targets, basically making full guilties unlikely or just killing someone on my list) but that still forces the mafia to make suboptimal kills or conftown someone that was in a shortlist in the first place. It makes complete sense for mafia to want to stop that. You spend most of your time spec'ing on why town wouldnt want to RB me..and I agree. Why do you think scum would have no motive to do it though?
I believe there are more significant targets to roleblock. My suspicions about Cabd's power distribution for the town roles were confirmed when I saw RBD dead, most likely by someone outside of scum. It was confirmed that there were only two factions. Ideally, the mafia should be trying to get rid of that vigilante. While a hard result on someone is devastating, it does not "seal the deal." They can still deal with that result in multiple ways. You can't deal anything when you're dead.
Getting to Mastin now.
I think scum blocking AP makes a ton of sense if he's town. His role does, admittedly, also make a lot of sense with our at least one miller. Nothing is really ever more scary for scum than a cop IMO.
In post 3569, MastinSSK wrote:Look. I'm not saying you should blindly trust Rancid's read on me.
And how is dropping all of my suspicion because "Muffinati said so" anything but?
In post 3569, MastinSSK wrote:By putting in someone who is obvtown and someone who isn't with both being town, it's win-win. Obvtown lynched, an obvtown player got lynched. Mislynch got lynched? Mislynch got mislynched. It's the optimum scum strategy.
That's still spending a mislynch that could be a game-saver in lylo, whereas putting "scumreads" who are actually both town saves face
and
gets a mislynch.
I don't see how that saves face. Name two players like that he could've picked without looking scummy.
In post 3566, Clyton wrote:See AP, this is what I don't understand. What is the rationale for a roleblocker to RB you? If it is a town RB, why RB a claimed cop? Take the chance and use the information he provides (even with fake; importance being using it as an alternative guideline) while RBing other suspects with potential kill power. Based on the kill results, there were two kills, one obviously done by scum, therefore highlighting the importance of RBing the correct target rather than someone who claimed cop. If it is a scum RB, you outright stated the mafia can choose who you will investigate. They can manipulate in many ways possible with this. There is no gain for the mafia roleblocker to RB you.
Why wouldn't a roleblocker block me? Obviously Im not speculating that I was roleblocked by town, I think scum blocked me.
There is gain for the mafia to RB me though, a result is a result. Im actually slightly awed by this role as far as the balance/setup designer in me goes in that I cant quite place just how powerful I think it is, but it DOES return hard results still. Yes the mafia has more room for working around it (by forcing me to investigate less optimal targets, basically making full guilties unlikely or just killing someone on my list) but that still forces the mafia to make suboptimal kills or conftown someone that was in a shortlist in the first place. It makes complete sense for mafia to want to stop that. You spend most of your time spec'ing on why town wouldnt want to RB me..and I agree. Why do you think scum would have no motive to do it though?
Because you have little credibility. And with your claim, scum gets to pick your result. Why waste it on you?
Ok... I missed some of your stuff lol. Let me just it here.
Trust: I would take a majority's opinion as trust then one person's opinion. I think it is fair enough to state this because the majority is most likely town anyways. However, perhaps I overestimated how many supporters there was actually there (if there were less than 8 people for a 4-member mafia, then that is the standard I will set to in regards to trusting the majority's opinion).
Understanding: The understanding is coming in Day 2. If it were still late Day 1, I would definitely be trying to kill you still (if LB didn't claim his revival ability and orc used his ability in a FIXATED manner, then that would continue to urge me to kill you).
"The Here and Now": Thanks for clarifying. That is really helpful.
Personal Frustration: Touchy topic lol. I already said my spiel when I said it to RBD/JSU the previous day.
In post 3585, MastinSSK wrote:Your role, AP, as I understand it, is submitting three names that you want investigated, and scum choose one of them.
Assume your submitted names are truthful. Scum know you submitted those names.
Then you fakeclaim submitting something else. Scum know you're lying.
You know I was/am assuming F-16 is scum. So Im pretty sure the scumteam would know Im lying when I claim the inno on him. The reaction is kind of the point. You are describing exactly what I was doing and then saying there was no point
In post 3495, AngryPidgeon wrote:If you guys think Im this stupid then I really REALLY cant help you.
I was hoping to catch CF in a lie about his role. And
yes I got a result on Kagura
.
VOTE: AP
Good fucking god, I'm agreeing with Fox/Hound. (Cephrir? I kinda remember DV being the main one who signs posts.)
In post 3566, Clyton wrote:See AP, this is what I don't understand. What is the rationale for a roleblocker to RB you? If it is a town RB, why RB a claimed cop? Take the chance and use the information he provides (even with fake; importance being using it as an alternative guideline) while RBing other suspects with potential kill power. Based on the kill results, there were two kills, one obviously done by scum, therefore highlighting the importance of RBing the correct target rather than someone who claimed cop. If it is a scum RB, you outright stated the mafia can choose who you will investigate. They can manipulate in many ways possible with this. There is no gain for the mafia roleblocker to RB you.
...And Clyton, too.
I'll just go sit in my corner and hold the delusion that AP, Clyton, and PV are all scum, distancing while ultimately going to go for some other lynch.
As a good rule of thumb you can generally assume that any reasonably short post is me. DV's also pretty distinctive, so if you aren't sure, it's probably me.
In post 3587, PeregrineV wrote:Because you have little credibility. And with your claim, scum gets to pick your result. Why waste it on you?
Meh. TBH I had a fit of paranoia last night that I was going to wake up to a "Kagura is town" and "Kagura, Town Something or other has been killed" and that Id feel like a dumbass.
I mean I was pretty clearly blocked last night cause I cant think of what else happened, Cabd is just wording things different than I would. I dont really know what to say other than that. I get hard investigative results with my role. Yes it is way more limited than an actual cop role in practice, but tbh when I got the role my number 1 concern with it was that the scumteam would be able to identify me easily by looking at my submissions...so I figured Id end up getting killed/blocked before long unless I was clever about that. Its still a strong role.
In post 3587, PeregrineV wrote:Because you have little credibility. And with your claim, scum gets to pick your result. Why waste it on you?
Meh. TBH I had a fit of paranoia last night that I was going to wake up to a "Kagura is town" and "Kagura, Town Something or other has been killed" and that Id feel like a dumbass.
I mean I was pretty clearly blocked last night cause I cant think of what else happened, Cabd is just wording things different than I would. I dont really know what to say other than that. I get hard investigative results with my role. Yes it is way more limited than an actual cop role in practice, but tbh when I got the role my number 1 concern with it was that the scumteam would be able to identify me easily by looking at my submissions...so I figured Id end up getting killed/blocked before long unless I was clever about that. Its still a strong role.
I realllllly hope there is no GF in this game. That would be sooo powerful for scum to have with my role running around. Like I would call BS on this setup if a GF flips.
I realllllly hope there is no GF in this game. That would be sooo powerful for scum to have with my role running around. Like I would call BS on this setup if a GF flips.
I doubt it if the scumteam is giving you the results, and you are the cop you claim. Why bother with a GF role?
...You cut out the following context that provided the answer. I'm not asking for that. But you're not taking it into consideration at all. One head is firm in a scumread on me for bullshit reasons, the other at nulltown on as far as I can tell nothing but me. Rancid's read hasn't impacted you at all, thus, it's been discarded.
That's still spending a mislynch that could be a game-saver in lylo, whereas putting "scumreads" who are actually both town saves face
and
gets a mislynch.
But again. What happens if one of the mislynches becomes obvtown? LB did. What if another mislynch candidate was against LB and also became obvtown off of their banter? One would die, yeah. But the other would then no longer be a mislynch.
In post 3589, AngryPidgeon wrote:You know I was/am assuming F-16 is scum. So Im pretty sure the scumteam would know Im lying when I claim the inno on him. The reaction is kind of the point.
F-16 is scum, and knows you didn't investigate him, least of all as innocent. He sees your result and knows you're lying, calling you out on it.
F-16 is town, and knows your result on him can't be true. He calls you out on it.
...You accomplish...what, exactly, in having done this?
But, *siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh* VOTE: orcinus_theoriginal.
I'm just gonna leave this here for a while while I cry.
