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Post Post #3275 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:14 am

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ARGH! MINA.

I had this post half drafted at work and I'm gonna post it anyway.

Mina – I’ve already said most of these things before, but my own thoughts are that I hope you’ll vote correctly for Mala as scum. I know that you’ve had some paranoia on us; but I know that our play has been from town and I trust that you will see that overall, and recognise that the things which may have pinged you also make sense coming from me/CES as town. I was surprised that you were bothered by any aspects of our claim, given that it has influenced my play so significantly throughout the game (Day 1 frustrations about us being scumread, conflicts with CES about how best use our role, my Day 2 opinions on claims, my Day 3 conviction on Medea upon Katsuki's flip and Toasty’s claim, my Day 3 conflict over whether to vote a player I think is town just because it gives more information about the player I think is scum). And given how much I would have had to invent (our thoughts and reasons for each protection, the stuff in the neighbourhood on N1), and given that I can't see why we as scum would claim at all to get our scumreads lynched, when it just puts us in a 1v1 position and more in line for lynch ourselves.

I think notsci is probably Mala’s partner, based on his play and the reasons CES has given, although I am a bit surprised at some of the interactions/choices they’ve made (I don’t know if I’ve ever seen scum defend each other so strongly, if it was me I think I’d feel uncomfortable doing that as scum and would prefer to have some distance), and Ghato has done some weird stuff during the game (their tunnelling case on Mina, which in my eyes amounted to ‘she
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And you know, I was semi-reluctant to post this anyway (before what Mina just said) because I feel like every time I post my thoughts I get called scummy for them and I feel like that is going to happen with this. But then, if I post nothing then you don't know what I'm thinking and then my reads and actions will make no sense. So what else am I meant to do?!

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Post Post #3276 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:16 am

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And the other thing I've been wanting to say today is, notsci, if you
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town, please reconsider your read on us and Mala, because you have it the wrong way around.

And I was gonna post this earlier but CES said not to because he wanted to see what you would do on your own accord, that it would help to confirm which of you/Ghato is scum.

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Post Post #3277 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:17 am

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ARGH! MINA.

I had this post half drafted at work and I'm gonna post it anyway.

Mina – I’ve already said most of these things before, but my own thoughts are that I hope you’ll vote correctly for Mala as scum. I know that you’ve had some paranoia on us; but I know that our play has been from town and I trust that you will see that overall, and recognise that the things which may have pinged you also make sense coming from me/CES as town. I was surprised that you were bothered by any aspects of our claim, given that it has influenced my play so significantly throughout the game (Day 1 frustrations about us being scumread, conflicts with CES about how best use our role, my Day 2 opinions on claims, my Day 3 conviction on Medea upon Katsuki's flip and Toasty’s claim, my Day 3 conflict over whether to vote a player I think is town just because it gives more information about the player I think is scum). And given how much I would have had to invent (our thoughts and reasons for each protection, the stuff in the neighbourhood on N1), and given that I can't see why we as scum would claim at all to get our scumreads lynched, when it just puts us in a 1v1 position and more in line for lynch ourselves.

I think notsci is probably Mala’s partner, based on his play and the reasons CES has given, although I am a bit surprised at some of the interactions/choices they’ve made (I don’t know if I’ve ever seen scum defend each other so strongly, if it was me I think I’d feel uncomfortable doing that as scum and would prefer to have some distance), and Ghato has done some weird stuff during the game (their tunnelling case on Mina, which in my eyes amounted to ‘she
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And you know, I was semi-reluctant to post this anyway (before what Mina just said) because I feel like every time I post my thoughts I get called scummy for them and I feel like that is going to happen with this. But then, if I post nothing then you don't know what I'm thinking and then my reads and actions will make no sense. So what else am I meant to do?!

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Post Post #3278 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:18 am

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And the other thing I've been wanting to say today is, notsci, if you
are
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And I was gonna post this earlier but CES said not to because he wanted to see what you would do on your own accord, that it would help to confirm which of you/Ghato is scum.

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Post Post #3279 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:19 am

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VOTE: ghato
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Post Post #3280 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:20 am

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Post Post #3281 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:21 am

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much daring

so defiant

such derailment

wow
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Post Post #3282 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:24 am

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Stupid hydra slips.
In post 3271, Mina wrote:I don't see Fenchurch as town being so nonchalant the last day of LYLO.
Sadly I am. Well I'm actually pretty busy; but I guess it's true that for some reason I don't care enough to sink loads of my time here when I should be working and stuff. Plus I guess I felt that I have already said pretty much everything I have. There isn't a massive case on Mala, it's just, she's scum.

GODFUCKINGDAMMIT.

I don't know how to win us this game.

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Post Post #3283 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:24 am

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This is 90% because they won't admit I'm town

5% because I don't like the Mala/Ampersand cross

3% because mollie and bro

2% because yolo

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Post Post #3284 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:24 am

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And... I don't know how I feel about notsci's Ghato vote. Hopefully it will confirm Mina as town...?

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Post Post #3285 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:25 am

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I think Mala is town

but I'm a sucker for AtE and reachouts

So

I'm voting the scumfuck who should know not to poke the sleeping bear
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Post Post #3286 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:25 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #3287 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:25 am

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don't pretend I don't see you posting looking for a buddy amper
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Post Post #3288 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:28 am

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Fucking nacho

Can you stop being town in my head when you're so obviously scum
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Post Post #3289 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:29 am

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You know why I'd thought you'd vote Mala? It's because I don't get why you'd dump this garbage on us with days to go until deadline.
In post 3271, Mina wrote:1) Notscience has been painfully obvious town since early today. Or, at the very least, he's posted stuff that I think would make people scumreading him question themselves.
It's a fuckton easier to look town when you're not reacting to what's in the thread and you keep pushing the same old boring Nachoangle that you know how to do. How can you call him obvious town when he doesn't have a clue what to say about us?
Mina wrote:2) Ampersand has been painfully obvious scum for reactions to posts from notscience that would have, at the very least, provoked some kind of self-reflection or paranoia of their strong townreads. Instead, the bulk of their contributions today have been 1) trying to smear notscience, and 2) reaffirming reads they should be questioning given their track record this game. "Nacho is town for not giving up" in particular is egregious and lazy. I don't see Fenchurch as town being so nonchalant the last day of LYLO.
Nacho not giving up was relevant mostly in that it meant that the Nachoslot wasn't going to taper off and suddenly look scum if they were scum (like Mala has). It's not scummy to not do the silly thing where you agonise a really long time over a decision because you're not sure if it's the right one even though it is obvious the whole time what choice you'd make.
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Post Post #3290 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:30 am

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Let's be frank here

I'm a sucker for playing hard to get

pedit-

I'm not reacting to things in the thread? Do tell your reaction to my ghatovote

oh wait

that's right
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Post Post #3291 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:34 am

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The one thing that really bugs me

Above all else

Is that a ghato/amper scumteam means they decided they wanted to manipulate the everliving fuck out of the QT

OH THAT REMINDS ME

Mina how would you quantify CES's help in the QT
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Post Post #3292 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:40 am

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In post 3290, notscience wrote:I'm not reacting to things in the thread? Do tell your reaction to my ghatovote
Fenchurch reacted to it; I was on the Ipad finishing my post.

I'll say this much - it's admirable how you managed to completely ignore the developments in the thread and just kept pushing Nacho instead.
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Post Post #3293 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:43 am

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What developments in the thread

You voting Mala?

Okay.

It's not like I haven't been crystal clear on where I stand on people voting Mala since like D1.

A better angle for you to push is what changed- early in the game I would throw myself at whoever voted a strong townread and yet here I am not voting you. Is this opportunistic scum looking for a quickhammer or town trying to make sure they aren't stupid? I know I'm going to be here tomorrow, because it's not fucking lylo without me there. So, I'll do as I damn well please.
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Post Post #3294 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:44 am

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And yeah, Mina, Fenchurch hasn't been as engaged since the V/LA. That shouldn't be too surprising.

P-edit: um, Mina's big post just now?
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Post Post #3295 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:47 am

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In post 3274, notscience wrote:I want to vote nacho

Btw I never got an answer to when he found out he was in a QT
What do you mean by this? They'll have gotten a PM at the start of Night 1 saying they'd been invited to the neighbourhood. I don't know when Nacho in particular 'found out'. Oh, was this question directed at Ghato, or the neighbourhood as a whole?

And Mina, I don't know if nonchalant is the right descriptor; to be honest I kinda lost motivation when you said last Night that you thought I was scummy for things I wrote when we full claimed our role. I felt like, if those things make you think I'm scum, I don't know what I can say to make you see we're town. It was CES who promised to convince you Today; I had no such ambitions. I have just been hoping you'd figure it out by thinking back on the game and everything in it and realising.

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Post Post #3296 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:49 am

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Like really

What did you expect me to do

Risk everything in a situation the I keep getting stuck in and fucking up in and vote you before I had seen other people post?

Really.

pedit-

How do you expect me to react to people calling me town when I'm as egotistical about my towngame as I am

I decided to hit the bars and get wasted, that'swhat

No seriously. She mentioned how Iwas decent in Natimini and I told her the only other game I played decently as scum and basically told her how to catch me as scum and explained why my reaction to being "caught" here differs from the other two

But sure

I didnt react

pedit-

It's directed at Nacho. Just because the acc got a PM doesn't mean he was fully aware. If F-16 mentioned that he told Nacho in the QT thatd suffice.
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Post Post #3297 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:52 am

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btw

You can argue with me until your fingers fall off

But I love to talk about how town I am
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Post Post #3298 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:04 am

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Let's look at why I'm town

1) throwing myself out there for my reads (with the exception of Medea who got what was coming to them by calling me scum). Hell, I threw myself in front of molliebert for some of my reads and after xmen I shouldn't of had the gusto to do it because I did that with FUCKING NACHO and I was wrong but whatever

2) I'm actually here posting instead of lurkaderping because activity is a scumtell for me, or moreso engagement in the game

3) I'm waffling like fuck and not taking the move I've postured about all game when it could have easily been done without too much rebuke

4) my role pm reads town

5) I doublechecked and it is in fact green

6) I'm not the one buddying up to mina in the neighborhood QT ;)

7) I'm not the one who crossvoted in lylo while ironically it seems like the two people in the QT have the same reads versus the same reads of those out of it who have been actively trying to work together all game inthread that's been laid out for all to see while I guess I'll just have to take your word for it that you guys worked shit out in the QT

8) mollie called me town

9) Bert called me town

10) I'm here arguing about why I'm town instead of just making passing :( comments when people don't call me town

11) My name isn't listed in your role pm

12) I'm trying to solve the game as a whole rather than do this bullshit one step at a time thing
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Post Post #3299 (ISO) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:36 am

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In post 3296, notscience wrote:Like really

What did you expect me to do

Risk everything in a situation the I keep getting stuck in and fucking up in and vote you before I had seen other people post?

Really.
No, I wasn't necessarily expecting you to vote. But you could've made that Malacase you've been promising us forever now, for one. You could've attacked us; you could've questioned us; questioned Malascum; talked to Mina about her read. No lack of options.
In post 3296, notscience wrote:No seriously. She mentioned how Iwas decent in Natimini and I told her the only other game I played decently as scum and basically told her how to catch me as scum and explained why my reaction to being "caught" here differs from the other two

But sure

I didnt react
You said the same stuff you've been saying the entire day, yes, that you'd lurk more as scum and that Nacho is scum for arbitrary meta reasons.

Mina's post put a whole new spin on the Mala-Ampersand situation and you ignored that completely. From your point of view, our lynch suddenly became a definite option again rather than having to face an inevitable Malalynch; how do you not react that as town?
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