MS Fantasy Camp 2: Reaper's Tale! (Finished!)

[Zdenek]

The best reason to vote for Kanye is him sidelining his vote at the end of day.
I'm still pretty much down with that.
But these are early days.

hows that make me scum?

I shouldn't need to explain this to you. The reasoning is really straight-forward.

[kanyeknowsbest]

did it make me scum in fire and ice? did it make me scum any other time ive ever done it as town? are these things you considered?

[kanyeknowsbest]

is this also considering the fact that i was on a useless wagon before switching my vote to sangria? does it consider the fact that there was still no way i was putting my vote on katsuki even if i hadnt voted sangria?

[Zdenek]

did it make me scum in fire and ice? did it make me scum any other time ive ever done it as town? are these things you considered?

Hey Kanye, nothing in this game in 100%, so I don't care.

[kanyeknowsbest]

sugoi

[Zdenek]

this also considering the fact that i was on a useless wagon before switching my vote to sangria?

That doesn't help.

[Zdenek]

Why didn't you leave your vote on Tim Howard?

[kanyeknowsbest]

because i wanted to lynch sangria and tim howard was not getting lynched. my votes there now, wheres yours? did you get over him?

[Zdenek]

When you moved your vote the TH wagon was nearly tied with the Katsuki wagon, so I have no idea why you think it was a useless wagon.

[Zdenek]

wheres yours? did you get over him?

I think you're worse than them.

[kanyeknowsbest]

no it wasnt? people were moving away from tim and no1 expressed any desire in moving towards his wagon. even venmar was a bigger wagon

[kanyeknowsbest]

but honestly that doesnt matter, tim could have been the most poppin wagon, and at that point with the posts nacho was making i would have moved my vote anyways

[kanyeknowsbest]

i would have moved it even if i had realized how close we were to deadline

[Zdenek]

no it wasnt?

What are you talking about?

Day 1, VC 39

Tim Howard - (5):

Zdenek, Katsuki, Plum, kanyeknowsbest, xRECKONERx

Venmar - (3):

Nero Cain

, Untrod Tripod, chamber

xRECKONERx - (2):

Lady Lambdadelta, Sixty

Plum - (1):

Flipping Awesome

Katsuki - (5):

sangres, Shadoweh, Tim Howard, ChannelDelibird, Nobody Special

Not voting - (2):

Cerulean, Venmar

With

18

alive it takes

10

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

26th of April at 5pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-04-26 12:00:00)
CDB is V/la

[/area]

I'll be around til a few hours before deadline but not right on that hour. For now, my vote'll go here.

Vote: Plum

Nacho, did you get around to answering the question I asked you a while back about what you expected from Katsuki's reaction as town?

tim howard remains a strong town for me, therefore

vote katsuki

vote sangria

I think I got all of them.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 2, VC 5

kanyeknowsbest - (6):

Venmar, ChannelDelibird, xRECKONERx,

Nero Cain

, Sheep Majiffy or Thor, Flipping Awesome

Venmar - (1):

Untrod Tripod

Tim Howard - (1):

kanyeknowsbest

Untrod Tripod - (3):

Shadoweh, Plum, chamber

Plum - (1):

Cerulean

Not voting - (4):

Nobody Special, Lady Lambdadelta, Tim Howard, Zdenek

With

15

alive it takes

8

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

11th of May at 8:10pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-05-11 15:10:00)

No one is V/la.[/area]

[Zdenek]

and when you learned that the deadline was close you didn't do anything to make a wagon on Sangres happen.

[ChannelDelibird]

Prod-dodge, though I'm going over some stuff right now.

[ChannelDelibird]

UNVOTE: kanye

The Kanye wagon has gone more quickly and feels closer to being pushed through than I think I'm comfortable with right now and I need to find more time Today to get properly into this game in a way that I didn't Yesterday.

UT, what do you think of Kanye? Your iso shows zero mentions of his name.

[Shadoweh]

i would have moved it even if i had realized how close we were to deadline

It's not like you weren't made aware. Your response was that you've seen flash wagons happen faster then a day and a half. Then you left. What were you reading that made you think with the way the wagons were going (Reck was going nowhere and Venmar was being townread a bunch) that people wouldn't collapse back onto Tim Hortons?

[Untrod Tripod]

UT, what do you think of Kanye? Your iso shows zero mentions of his name.

shrug

I have kind of a hard time just reading his posts tbqh, so I didn't really remember he was in this game

[Cerulean]

Pretty sure this is the wrong line for today.

...I'll take your word for it but having caught up, it bothers me that she's so quickly and completely dropped her NS push from last day phase given how confident she seemed in it in favor of this UT one. It just seems like she's picking on easy targets and the confidence behind them both seems fake to me, like it's all blowing smoke but there's no conviction behind the words.

Unvote, vote: Venmar

I was really hoping that you would say something about the scum-tell the Venmar is using.

Sorry, haven't had much time to really engage in the game as I've been super busy. I honestly have no idea what he's talking about and would really like it if he'd explain (and specifically why he's using something that's allegedly mine when I don't think we've even played together since that one game from a couple of years ago now).

Sixty was defending Venmar quite a lot. A scum team with him with would want them around, and a scum team without him would be helped by having them gone, so

I don't think this is necessarily the case. Sixty's the vanilla kind of kill I could see come from pretty much any scum team.

[Plum]

No, NS was a read that I deliberately used stronger rhetoric for than my convictions were because I was having a hard time connecting to the game and I didn't have very strong convictions about anyone and was frustrated at myself and the game for it. I mentioned before that the rhetoric was deliberately overstated. I am a believer in actions eventually shaping thoughts and attitudes; I felt that if I didn't at least try appropriately with my low-level conviction about NS I didn't have a better plan for turning my game around. That said, I still think NS is a slightly better-than-average bet for scum.

But UT is scum and we should lynch him. There is nothing in that statement that is about pumping myself up to try to get into the game better. I've gotten in. Because UT is scum.

[Nobody Special]

That's a lot of big words to say essentially nothing.

[Flipping Awesome]

I am less convinced than Penguin about Plum-scum at this point but I want to outline the reasons I feel UT is town. Plum, if you could take a look at it and give me your thoughts, that'll be cool.

• UT's Post 719 in defense of Zdenek feels town because he respects Zed as a player and the reasoning he gives resonates on a lot of levels. Now that Wicked Mafia, is over, I'll point out that UT was in the scum QT agreeing with his hydra partner T-Bone that Zdenek "had his shit together" and ought to be killed N1. However, UT also mentioned that he didn't think people were listening to Zdenek. UT's hydra was the primary reason we killed Zdenek N1. From that context, him saying "
  I've watched Zed laser through scumteams and not be taken seriously and I really want to give him the opportunity to shine here
  " came across as incredibly natural. I also like the positive, pro-active encouragement to Sixty and Shadoweh in the rest of that post.
  
• His back-and-forth with Sixty where he tries to persuade them to join the Venmar wagon felt town and I like his engagement with the game in general. Particularly him wanting to change his attitude from the Reckoning game and taking steps to improve that felt very genuine.

[Lost Butterfly]

Prodding Lady Lambdadelta