NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Plessiez]

It's day 4. Deadline for the day is

May 3rd, 12:58

. That means you have (expired on 2014-05-03 12:58:35).

Vote Count 4.7

PeregrineV [4 votes] (Egg, TheWayItEnds, DeasVail, Damon_Gant)
ThAdmiral [1 vote] (SnowStorm)

6 players are not voting

: {fferyllt, penguin_alien, PeregrineV, SiX, Snork, ThAdmiral}

With

11

players alive it takes

6

votes to lynch somebody or to go to night.

[ThAdmiral]

I don't really know what else there is to say. I'm happy to lynch one of damon, pere or penguin alien, preferably in that order.

[Snork]

I wouldn't mind lynching DG either.

[Egg]

Same here

[PeregrineV]

AP (1907) needs to sort Snow

@PA: Read on Snork and Snowstorm?

1917- Response to Damon about Snow, 1919 - A vote for snow (1918- Snork case on Snow)

AP (1965)- Snow is "caught scum for worn reasons"

What's the case on me, AP? Please explain it to me. Don't forget to mention what you find so compelling about it that made you vote me. And spare me the shitty clichés.

That you are concerned with having a case on you that you can refute , irony I know.

Anxiety is calling you scummy for being overly on the fence about him (and while I don't know if I agree with his conclusion about you trying to connect yourself there, I agree that your Anxiety read felt fake).

PA is voting you because of your hopping around from Talah/Luca at the end of the day and your attempt at wagoning Admiral looking like a weak attempt to not be off the ML wagon of the Day.

I didn't have a great reason for suspecting you when I voted, but your response to being wagoned reads desperate and OMGUSy.

AP attack on Snow (1973+1979)
Mastin sets up (2004) for the attack on Snow (2005)

AP reads list (2066)- Snow is scummy.
Interestingly enough 4xniety is now town, when I thought for sure AP was arguing for 4nxiety=scum. I know Mastin was(2004). Maybe some sort of tag-team thing.

Anyways, going to say done with Snow. Based on the attack style and based on Snow's own posting, pretty much leaving him in the town pile.

(Part of the issue with telling if it's bussing or not was the fact AP and Yates generally were accepted as town and not getting voted. And when they do deflect, it looks like it's from town wagons.

[PeregrineV]

Damon next

[Snork]

Do you think that scum who are being generally townread are more likely to bus or more likely to townread their partners?

I would think it's the latter since being townread would give them the sense that they could have the town agree with their reads.

That's why I kind of want your conclusions from your other post about the trio's reads through the game.

[Egg]

^that really depends on the player

[PeregrineV]

Do you think that scum who are being generally townread are more likely to bus or more likely to townread their partners?

I would think it's the latter since being townread would give them the sense that they could have the town agree with their reads.

That's why I kind of want your conclusions from your other post about the trio's reads through the game.

Bussing is an attempt to gain town credit by "cathcing" scum. If you already have townreads on you from your play, it makes little sense to bus when you effectively are making it harder to win by doing so. So, I think townread scum are more likely to townread their partners. Or, at the least, give no read on them.

The conclusion I reached in 3154 is from all of the posting (3141+3154).

I welcome other interpretations, though.

[SnowStorm]

I don't really know what else there is to say. I'm happy to lynch one of damon, pere or penguin alien, preferably in that order.

Why that order?

[SnowStorm]

Damon next

Can it be quicker than the previous one? I mean, do you really need to link and quote every single mention if you're not making any observations? Just give us your conclusions backed up with the more relevant ones or a general explanation.

[PeregrineV]

One of the reasons I do the linking is to make it easier for others to look up and for myself if I need to reference it again. I'll forget in a few days, so if asked it's all right here.

[Damon_Gant]

Some more interactions stuff.

penguin_alien

: When MR was in the game and being the supposedly "obvtown" player, the scum were only too happy to play along, mastin in particular. I think this is because scum did not want to get on the wrong side of a town player who was completely dominating the conversation - Mister Rogers was a valuable town best friend to have at the time. Look at mastin's ISO post #0 and #1 when referring to Mister Rogers, it's almost sickening the buddying that's going on here! With PA they (and everyone else) seemed to revert to a more neutral position on this slot because ultimately PA was less imposing and so was a less valuable friend for the scum. By moving their reads back to null on PA they're helping to reopen PA as a potential lynch option. So I believe that these interactions are indicative of PA town, and I think PA's posting has been generally town too.

ThAd

: So I believed that ThAd was town before today, but ThAd has been a constant point of confusion for me throughout this game. On analyis of scum interactions, he continues to be just that. At the start of the day I thought I'd got him. Mastin constantly reinforces him as a strong town read, which is a good start. With AP there are a few posts that set alarm bells ringing. This is exactly the kind of light meaningless suspicion I expect to see scum put on each other. The offhand mention of compromise lynching him in that "Mason QT" thing also seemed similarly weak. In AP's scumlist he's in the "scummy" section, surrounded by people who are now confirmed or probably town. That's certainly not how AP dealt with his other scumbuddies but IF AP bussed anyone, this shows that ThAd was almost certainly the bus. I'd really recommend searching through AP's posts for his interactions with ThAd because it might make you understand my suspicions more. Then there's the unfortunate part. Yates. First he busses mastin. He helps the AP wagon along, and as it's clear that AP is being lynched, he's already throwing suspicion on ThAd. This definitely feels to me like a bus too far, and it worries me, which is why I swapped PV and ThAd around near the start of the day and now have PV as my strongest scumread.

As usual this post has turned into a horrendous waffly mess so the gist is that I think PA is town and ThAd may not be. PV is obviously coming with content now, but it had to be coaxed out and I certainly cannot forsee myself moving my vote because the other 3 suspects from my POV are a long way behind him in scumminess. I still need to look at SS but I know that that will be even more complicated!

[penguin_alien]

Will finish my read-through and figure out where I think scum is tonight.

[TheWayItEnds]

Seriously.

You guys know its been 10 fucking days since the flips right?

I dont understand how this day is still going and everyone is still saying oh ill get to that.

I cant even....

I've literally lost my ability to can at this point.

[fferyllt]

127 pages is a lot to process. There's no way I'm going to know the game like I lived it the first 3 days. But I'm not going to say "lolnope not reading" and make a decision based on the last 5-10 pages.

[penguin_alien]

Screw it, started diving into this again, do not want. Who knows what strategies they rolled with in 'reading'/misreading people. Did they come down hard on BipolarChemist because they didn't want the mislynch going away or because they knew he was scum despite the textbook perfect reaction? And over 400 posts of that...blech.

Who's on my potentially having a gun that isn't shooting on the town's behalf list:

Egg
PV
SnowStorm
Damon_Gant
ThAd

Don't want Egg or Damon on the gallows. Would vote Snow, but PV thinks he's town. Yet I still don't like that he's the one left on ThAd. I feel like this is town PV.

Going with the PV town read for now. From which I get VOTE: ThAd

May reevaluate when not falling asleep on keyboard tomorrow.

[Plessiez]

SiX hasn't posted for over 48 hours and hasn't arranged a V/LA. He has therefore been prodded.

[DeasVail]

Sorry, but family drama has put me completely out of the mood for mafia and so my plan is to get to this tomorrow. It's possible I'll be suddenly in the mood later tonight, but probably not. Sorry again.

[SiX]

Oh, got prodded. Still here, just nothing to contribute with.
So who's up for the lynch? DG?

[fferyllt]

Late Night Gut speaking.

Town

Mister Rogers

penguin_alien

bjc

Snork

aptil

SiX - the parallels with other roles are troubling and I'll freak out if we're both alive for much longer but here for now.

Maybe Town

PeregrineV - effort since I've been in the game looks like town game-solving
DeasVail - I almost always scumread him. The scum triple iso makes me lean town.

--- from here down I feel like I have more homework to do ---

Not So Town

Damon_Gant - could put him in noeffencllue but here's good for now.
ThAdmiral - like deas, I've scumread ThAd in nearlly every game we've played, but there's something about his play under pressure when he's town that always speaks to me. I'm not seeing it here.

NoEffenCllue

BipolarChemist

Egg
SnowStorm

Doc Holliday

pisskop

TheWayItEnds - want to review the pisskop posts

[penguin_alien]

Are you at no clue status on SnowStorm for his own posts or interactions with the flipped scum? If that makes sense.

[ThAdmiral]

I don't really know what else there is to say. I'm happy to lynch one of damon, pere or penguin alien, preferably in that order.

Why that order?

Damon has been flip-floppy about quite a few things, and has often had me as scum for not much reason other than that I "seem" scummy.
Penguin I have had a decent town read on since he was rogers, and pere is just null so they are in that order by default.

[DeasVail]

Ok, caught up (not that there was much to catch up on).

My favourite lynch would still be PeregrineV. Damon_Gant and ThAdmiral are probably on the next tier.

[Damon_Gant]

As everyone seems to be doing this
From most scummy to least scummy: PV, ThAd, SS, PA, Egg

I wouldn't deny that I've been "flip-floppy" ThAd, but I have no idea how that is consistent with me being scum.