MS Fantasy Camp 2: Reaper's Tale! (Finished!)

[Nero Cain]

OMGUS is like any scumtell, not perfect but it does happen.

[Untrod Tripod]

yeah well it wasn't even omgus so

put that one back in the deck plz

[Zdenek]

UT, I was asking you about this one.

I mentioned before that the rhetoric was deliberately overstated. I am a believer in actions eventually shaping thoughts and attitudes

say it til you believe it

wow

that's some next level shit, Plum

is the rest of the game still indulging the fantasy that this isn't in dire need of rope?

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 2, VC 11

Venmar - (2):

Cerulean,

Nero Cain

Tim Howard - (5):

kanyeknowsbest, Shadoweh, xRECKONERx, Untrod Tripod, chamber

Untrod Tripod - (3):

Plum, Tim Howard, Venmar

Plum - (1):

Nobody Special

Not voting - (4):

Zdenek, ChannelDelibird, Flipping Awesome, Lady Lambdadelta

With

15

alive it takes

8

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

11th of May at 8:10pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-05-11 15:10:00)

No one is V/la.[/area]

[Lost Butterfly]

ChannelDelibird has not responded to his prod. Looking for a replacement

[Lost Butterfly]

Prodding kanyeknowsbest

[Nero Cain]

I'd like to reiterate my previous question of why we aren't killing this ^?

So why are you not helping me kill this?

[Venmar]

Because he realizes he's faking his scumread on me by not voting me right now.

[Venmar]

I Just had a small injury with my bad knee that I broke in the past, i'm going to be taking a short V/LA to rest and heal and make sure it's okay. Sorry for inconveniences.

[Zdenek]

LLD might be scum for her interaction with sangres early in the game.

[Lost Butterfly]

Plessiez replaces ChannelDelibird

[Flipping Awesome]

This is weird but why Pless and not Regfan makes me wonder about my townread on CDB.

~ F-16

[Flipping Awesome]

That is, I am saying Regfan would only replace into slots he thinks are town and if Cerulean are town. If either condition isn't met, he wouldn't replace in. Cerulean feels town so.

[Zdenek]

Stop that.

[Plessiez]

Sorry for not being Regfan, I guess.

(I am a bit bemused that I'm replacing in ahead of both of the named replacements, actually. But whatever.)

I was half-heartedly following the game a couple of weeks ago (which is why I told the mods I'd be interested in being a replacement), but I haven't been doing that for a while. I do remember having town-reads on Zdenek, Sixty, Shadoweh and Cerulean and being a bit dubious about Venmar and Tim Howard, but I'll probably have to go and actually read the thread if I'm ever going to say anything intelligent.

If anyone wants to post summaries

so I can accuse them of being scum trying too hard to be helpful

, I guess that's fine too.

[Shadoweh]

Summary: Alot of people were really angry yesterday! Katsukii vengekilled sangres. Today alot of people haven't been posting. Tim Howard is scum and should claim because as the person who cares the most I'm pretty much going to keep pushing for his lynch and no one's going to stop me today otherwise. :p

I'm pretty sure the replacements have less to do with perceived scumminess and more to do with who messaged Faraday back first. :V I'll be around tonight to post more, maybe, I think?

[Plessiez]

Katsukii vengekilled sangres.

I completely missed this . (I mean, I saw that sangres died on day 1, but I thought it was a mystery as to why it happened. Oh well.)

I noticed people being angry though. Didn't really get why (and I assume it's better not to get into it).

[Plessiez]

Anyway.

I started reading the game again from the beginning, but ... well, reading multiple pages of people I don't know very well trying to imitate the posting style of

other

people I don't know very well is less engrossing than you might assume. I want to go back to day 1 to look at (among other things), the fall-out of Tammy's replace-out (especially Tim Howard's 375, which is just a bizarre post for several reasons), and the posts immediately leading up to the (accidental?) hammer. I read as far as LLD's and Zdenek's early claims, kind of think both of them look town for them.

(Although a non-compulsive town framer does seem ... weird?)

Skipped to the start of day 2.

Not sure what's up with all the naked votes and prod-dodges. Shadoweh's reaction to the apathy strengthens my town-read on her, though.

I didn't really understand where the kanye votes were coming from, but the points made in 1313 and 1318 seem pretty strong and I'm not sure why the kanye wagon basically collapsed soon after this. Kanye says he moved his vote away from Tim Howard because (1) nobody was interested in voting for him and "even Venmar was a bigger wagon" and (2) he didn't realise how close deadline was. Zdenek and Shadoweh point out the conflict between this and the actual vote counts / what kanye said at the time and the result is ... general indifference?

I really don't like Tim Howard's 1337. UT's 1340 captures my reaction to that fairly well. Reasoning like "I think X is town, Y is pushing them so might be scum" just seems ... off. Who scumhunts this way? (Also, Tim says they don't think

Venmar

could fake frustration but they still can't get a read on a hydra with

Tammy

in? After Tammy's big replace out post in day 1? This doesn't make sense to me.)

Reading consecutive prod-dodges (1358, 1359 and more on the same page) doesn't exactly give the impression that the game is a hive of activity. Would like to see the reread promised in 1358 at some point.

[Plessiez]

A few isolated comments/questions:

Venmar's 1392 seems like a really forced interpretation of what Chamber said. I don't understand how you read "I've toned down the obv!town a bit" as anything like "I'm scummy but not that scummy". At the same time, I think chamber is probably town. (Unless I'm confusing him with somebody else, chamber hates being scum, right?)

Reading 1399 leaves me wondering if Nero still doesn't get how the double voting thing works. (And I think I get that even without having done much more than skim day 1.) Would appreciate it if he explained his current understanding of that again.

Until reading 1410 I thought Tammy had replaced-out for good. Tammy, when did you come back to the game and can you point to some other posts you've made? (I was assuming all of day 2 Cerulean was Empire.)

NobodySpecial's concern about naked votes (in 1419) would seem more genuine if his very last post before that wasn't itself ... a naked vote. (He did talk about wanting to lynch Plum in the post before that, to be fair.) NS, why do you suspect Plum?

Posts like 1374 and 1416 are probably enough to give me a weak town-read on Flipping. F-16's thought process just seems pretty transparent and he's reacting to things quite like I was while reading day 2 myself.

... I'm probably going to have to stop putting off reading day 1 soon.

[Untrod Tripod]

That is, I am saying Regfan would only replace into slots he thinks are town and if Cerulean are town. If either condition isn't met, he wouldn't replace in. Cerulean feels town so.

ummm

are you accusing the mods of cheating?

[Nero Cain]

so not what that says...

[Untrod Tripod]

OH WOW you're right nevermind

I'm not sure that's less weird than trying to divine alignments based on whether or not someone specific replaced in

[Zdenek]

UT, I was asking you about this one.

I mentioned before that the rhetoric was deliberately overstated. I am a believer in actions eventually shaping thoughts and attitudes

say it til you believe it

wow

that's some next level shit, Plum

is the rest of the game still indulging the fantasy that this isn't in dire need of rope?

[Untrod Tripod]

what exactly do you not get about that quote?

[Nero Cain]

Reading 1399 leaves me wondering if Nero still doesn't get how the double voting thing works. (And I think I get that even without having done much more than skim day 1.) Would appreciate it if he explained his current understanding of that again.

I "get it". One of us votes and the other becomes a double voter. Maybe my distrust of Venmar is not letting me see the forest. *shrugz* I just don't think its some bizarre impossibility that this is bull and Venmar is trolling us when he is actually a double voter. Even if this Farmina added this mechanic it still leaves room for Venmar to be scum.

Also

vote:UT