Tales of You (Abyss Neighborhood)

[GuyInFreezer]

So... I was right the first time.
Mastin/RBD both town.
Boo.

[Nachomamma8]

Fuck me.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Who is scum, NAcho?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Okay, read through again. Tammy is town, town, town. So, no case.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I SHOULD be studying but I keep getting obsessed and coming back to this game.

Bulletproof + Bodyguard + Watcher?

Crap no. Penguin is scum. She was scum from her play and she is scum from her role.

Only question is: who is scum with AP and Penguin?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

AngryPidgeon/PenguinAlien are definitely scum. I looked through Rancid's ISO and he suspects Clyton as well. Most of Clyton's posts are shit actually.

[Desperado]

ap/p_a/magenta/{titan, stalin}

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

What's BRO's read on AP? Has he come around?

[Desperado]

i have no idea, but i'm also past the point of caring

[Desperado]

and those townflips should be a wake up call if there ever was one

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

So Desp, I don't actually believe that Tammy is heartless enough to rub in BRO's rl issues if she was scum. I think I know her well enough that this would be completely off-limits for her as a method of attack as scum. Sure, she might "suspect" BRO but if she did what she did as scum, it would be downright malicious and she wouldn't do it. As town, if she genuinely has suspicions, they can't be put aside so it makes more sense.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

That quickhammer was a huge wtf though. Tammy takes her time as town and waffles until deadline.

[Desperado]

i think tammy bringing up viscon is really scummy

it's an easy thing for her to say as scum, especially if we are all town (which i think is true)

[Desperado]

also all of this "player x can't be scum because they couldn't possibly have been so nasty to player y as scum" almost makes me want to replace out

[Desperado]

there's a reason i'm not really posting a lot in the thread and tammy's reaction to me is a prime example

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

But this is not any player we are talking about. It is someone who has a conscience.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

there's a reason i'm not really posting a lot in the thread and tammy's reaction to me is a prime example

If you think she's scum, then why aren't you posting?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I dunno Desp.

I kinda want to lynch AP with everything we have - this won't be fun. Then I want to tunnelfuck Penguin - this will be amazingly fun because Penguin is fun and I want to see who wins the battle of words this game.

Then I'll re-evaluate everyone alive besides you and Pie. If Tammy is still alive then, I'll comb through her ISO to get a solid read on her.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Nacho, in your next post, please give me your reads on AngryPidgeon, Penguin_Alien, and Tammy

. Thanks!

Also, I am not completely sure you are town so I am not sure when is the right time to say this: I am sorry about venting at you for defending Rancid and Mastin. If you are town, you were right all along. If you are scum, well played. I am also sorry about referencing Touhou regardless of your affiliation. I shouldn't have done it.

I don't know. I'll apologize properly after the game if you are town. I am not sure what else I want to say right now while I still worry about you being scum.

[Desperado]

If you think she's scum, then why aren't you posting?

i'm not posting because this game has not been fun to play because it has gotten wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too personal

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Yeah, I think Rancid were behind most of it if not all. To some extent Mastin but it is a tricky thing. AP has been personal as well. To a small extent Ffery although it was more mutual disagreements.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Also, Nacho, can you please explain where your Orc vote D1 came from and why you were so confident in it and why you never persued it again?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

This post is MASSIVELY scummy:

@ Penguin, looking forward to hearing your case. I'd also like to see where you are at with the rest of your reads. Have you and Tammy discussed BRO's meltdown post yet? I was hoping to hear your thoughts on that too whenever you are caught up and get around to it.

Saw this in preview when posting my (partial) mastin thoughts. It's 3 AM, so this won't be comprehensive. Tammy and I haven't discussed it yet, except that she wants my read on BRO.

I'll say straight up that based on everything I know about BRO via playing Mafia with him here and offsite and hydraing, there's no way he fakes that.

If (and that's a big if from reading 3020) he's scum, he's still genuinely upset at the way mastin is going after him. I will say that from my experience with scum-mastin, she can go after teammates in very unproductive ways (see: Open 541, where we almost blew LyLo because mastin thought it would be a good idea to push Mhork while ignoring all the planning in the scum QT).

HOWEVER.

Much

as I know BRO shakes up his scum game and makes some strange plays as either alignment, this doesn't feel insincere at all

, or to be more precise, coming from anything other than frustrated town. To be honest, I almost feel like just snipping this post out of my mental calculations, because it feels way intrusive for the game to have put him in a situation where he felt that he needed to share it. I won't, because it also feels wrong to disregard his forthrightness.

I'm sorry,

there are some things in his ISO that I noticed while skimming for the 'meltdown' post

(although I'm not really comfortable calling it a meltdown; heaven knows as someone who's dealt with issues that were hard to discuss I know exactly how painful it is to reveal that stuff, and calling it a meltdown feels condescending, to be frank)

that made me think he could be scum and some things that made me think town.

My very brief overall impression is that BRO came into the game excited about the player list and anticipating a fun game. There's some banter-type stuff that feels alignment-independent and so in my paranoia might make me think scum-BRO. But as he keeps posting, there's super-genuine sounding posts AND, more importantly, posts that read like the insightful BRO I'm used to watching work in-hydra when I darn well know his alignment.

I'm on the verge of conking out, but hopefully that gives you an idea of where I am.

I may not be good at reading BRO as a mafia player,

but I'd like to think I have a sense of his personality well enough that I know him hitting a limit wasn't staged. Maybe I'm presuming too much, given that we're more Mafia friends than 'dish about life' friends, but that's how my brain works. I'll read the other 300+ posts from the JSU hydra after I get some sleep and try to get a sense of their alignment here.

Because, F-16, as much as I respect your play and would like to work with you if you're town here, if we hadn't misread BRO in Wicked I'd have neighborized him over you-Ghatokaca in a heartbeat, and I know town-BRO can game-solve like a maniac.

P-edit: I'm sorry, I can't react to everything that's elapsed since I started writing this up...tomorrow.

Please read all the bolded and underlined stuff to see why this post is a fucking scum claim.

1) The "if" he is faking is rubbish. He is not faking shit and Penguin damn well knows it.

2) Hypothesizing about a Mastin/BRO scumteam is utterly ridiculous. Anyone that bothered to read the thread knows that this isn't true.

3) BRO shakes up his play is just inducing paranoia while reading him as town.

4) Holy fucking hedging on the "some things are town and some things are scum."

5) Underlined stuff: Fluff, buddying, hedging.

6) I may not be good at reading BRO is shirking responsibility for reading him.

Anyways, if people don't see Penguin as obvscum after this post, I don't know what to say.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, in your next post, please give me your reads on AngryPidgeon, Penguin_Alien, and Tammy

. Thanks!

Also, I am not completely sure you are town so I am not sure when is the right time to say this: I am sorry about venting at you for defending Rancid and Mastin. If you are town, you were right all along. If you are scum, well played. I am also sorry about referencing Touhou regardless of your affiliation. I shouldn't have done it.

I don't know. I'll apologize properly after the game if you are town. I am not sure what else I want to say right now while I still worry about you being scum.

I don't deserve apologies for this game.
I'm sorry for being an ass in general.

[Nachomamma8]

Most of Clyton's posts are shit actually.

Which ones and why?
I can't say I have the patience to read his ISO, especially since I skimmed pretty much every single one of his posts the first round through.