Tales of You (Endgame)

[CarbonFiber]

You were the star scumread of Mastin though for most of the game. I'm not going to ignore that someone who knows you well and can read you was consistently convinced you were scum for the majority of the game.

...

Why are you ignoring most of the game? Who's town? Who's scum? Where's that awesome Nacho reads-list?

[Just Sheep Us]

vote: cupcakepanda

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Nacho, a readslist would be awesome today.

eta ninja'd

[Nachomamma8]

Ah, a position of power. Good thing you totally abuse the heck out of that. Isn't diplomatic immunity great? You will appear as town to all cop investigations. In addition, you may choose what you appear to be when role copped. If you don't specify anything, your fakeclaim below will be used by default.

This is orc's godfather role from Vesperia.
Even this role wouldn't explain why the track on AP would go through.

[Nachomamma8]

3) We return as "replica" to all cops.

This is your role.
You think the opposite of your role is "you return as non replica for all intents and purposes for every role ever"?

[Titan]

So, I'm going to do something I haven't done since mafia.raptured. It's one of those rare sittings of a Tammy read list! Though I'm not sure it's actually a reads list it's mostly going to be just rambling about what I think in an attempt to put some order to my disorganized mind.

There will be no tl;dr...you will not be able to plug in, turn on, and cop out...

Bellifery - is still my one and only town read. Even if ap comes back scum, I think this is the one read I won't get paranoid on. Well okay I probably will, but I'll fight it. I need something to trust. This will be what I trust. They're part of claim dream state.

They can skip out for beer on commercials...

Carbon fiber - I really really really want to believe he's town. There re some blips here and there that make me worried and I'd love to have a better read here. You didn't need to apologize again falcon by the way, I wasn't trying to make you feel bad. I know I'm not having a great game; this is absolutely my town game but having am overall lack of reads that I feel good about and feeling lost in general is a game that isn't great. I just think you as scum wouldn't try to make me feel bad for being as lost as I am when a different avenue would probably be more productive. I think. The overall engagement he's put in the game would be surprising from him scum, but I do worry sometimes. He hasn't really used meta much for his reads, but I know he can do that as scum, so. *some* of his meta reasoning for reads on me doesn't feel right! and that niggles.

Magenta - I still like the way orci interacted with me day one. It had nothing of the feel of the way he interacted with me as scum in vesperia. Granted he could be changing up his scum techniques from that game like he did for others in that game, but I had some strong really valid reasons for him being scum in that game although this whole tempo of this game is different so. I *suppose* he could have voted me to provoke a reaction and when he didn't get one and after I said I thought he was town from vibes decided to drop it! but idk. Also I *do* like the way that he handled cage fight. I liked his interaction with me and he clearly thought he was going to be able to talk. Not exactly sure what to think about Maria's recent posts and having me as town though I'd really like to take her orci has you as town and I'd like to learn the markers for why I misread you thing at face value. Paranoia concerning a bussing nacho to make the self-govern thing and make them look town still skitters.

AP - I'd love to believe he's town. I really like how collaborative he's been, but I have no idea how to read AP. I really haven't played with him much, but he doesn't feel like hpaptl where he was scum, but he also doesn't feel like anything goes, but tbf I was scum in anything goes and barely read the game, so yeah. But I'd also like my original scum read on this slot to be right just so I won't feel like a total mess here. Potential godfather? Still working out the possibilities for the claims though, my current dream state is working out how many roles seem to give potential clears and whether everything makes sense. Don't yell at me about this...you will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip.

Gods this is tedious, no wonder I don't do this often.

Peregrine - claimed VIG whatever. If I squint sometimes I can see him asking questions trying to solve the game but he looks more like he's trying to make an already prickly game state even more prickly which I don't associate with him as town at all. My lack of respect for his play in recent games could be coloring this and he certainly started useless conversations in a previous game where it looked like he was trying to look busy not understanding the obvious as town, but who knows. I don't think he looks town though. But I do like my potential town tell, but that could be dumb yeah.

JSU - if they are scum I'm going to be so fucking smug about this. Their role claim bugs me. Their behavior bugs me. That shit about not looking transparent in thread to catch scum setting them is such 14 year old VI bullshit I want to pummel something. Desperados play in this game so much matches his play in charmed and the reckoning more so than red wedding or we the purple, that of anyone he should be understanding of bring suspicious of him, it's me considering in both those games I gave a scum him a pass. The people are setting me up for a mastin town flip, when who does that anyway, is twitch inducing especially since he accused ffery who declared them town without a doubt. What else did I want to say? I HAD MORE. Oh I hated the way des attacked ffery yesterday, it just felt so slimy, the whole give me a scum read from all those ends was just atrocious. Maybe it was because it was a bad attack on the only person I think is town, and am buddying at this point!, but it just felt so off. But they're part of my claim dream state I'm rolling in so more on this later maybe.

PA - lean town here. She feels unfiltered in the neighborhood, but I've been a bad neighbor the past couple days so I need to fix that to firm up this read. She's also part of claim dream state. I will say that if penguin is scum, she is scum with someone who knows me and gave Clyton advice for how to manipulate me. The role usage makes sense from a town perspective and part of it is confirmed to me, dream state is toying with how I can use that part in the most effective way. Anyway, I hope to have this firmed up a bit. Did I already say I'm a bad neighbor? I have some catching up in there to do.

RG - had them as town early on due to a strong start from notscience and early good posting by Brian. I need to revisit this read. Brian does those uber long quote stripe things that makes it really hard for me to read and get a read on someone.

Bleh this is now super boring. Is anyone reading? Are you going yeah yeah Tammy you don't know about anything we already got that didn't need a wall explaining it?

Fox and hound - need to revisit this. I liked their early play. I like being called town. I like being someone's strong town read! Can you tell I'm self absorbed? I don't want to scum read them for it, but I don't want them in my blind spot either.

Nacho - scum. Town. Scum. Town. Scum. Town. Scum. Town. Scum. Town. Pretty much sums it up. I liked some of his self meta about the hydra. I liked something else too. I have it in the neighborhood, I'll have to find it. Oh I liked borks interactions with and about mastin. I didn't like nachos turn around being super sure on mastin and not voting. He exists in claim dream state. Scum. Town. Scum. Town. Scum. Town.

Is the anyone else?

Oh the cupcake - I'm still having a hard time seeing scum katsuki fake claim that :/. Claim dream state, maybe more later.

This reads list will not be televised. Or read by probably anybody or should really. It didn't actually help :/

[The Fox and the Hound]

What is "claim dream state"?

[Nachomamma8]

CF is claiming shit that I have no idea is fake or true about my N1 actions. Tammy is going "oooh shiny I wonder if this means something" when it really does not.

CF is confirming that every action you've taken this game matches up with your claim.

[Nachomamma8]

And is still calling you scum.

[Titan]

What is "claim dream state"?

It's the space in my brain that rolls through the claims and sees if all makes sense from town. It's partly a subconscious effort that occasionally hits a spark while cooking dinner or swimming.

[Nachomamma8]

That leaves three more scum among RG, Fox, Magenta, and Nacho. I'm not entirely sure if the game makes sense that way. Sure, Nacho could be bussing Orc, and Cupcake is scum with them leaving the last scum to be Fox/RG. That is not entirely implausible actually.

Scum are probably among penguin/RG/Fox/Cupcake/Magenta.
I think Penguin currently looks the towniest out of that entire group.

[Nachomamma8]

So no, not "entirely implausible" at all.

[Just Sheep Us]

JSU - if they are scum I'm going to be so fucking smug about this. Their role claim bugs me. Their behavior bugs me.

That shit about not looking transparent in thread to catch scum

setting them is such 14 year old VI bullshit I want to pummel something.

Desperados play in this game so much matches his play in charmed and the reckoning more so than red wedding or we the purple, that of anyone he should be understanding of bring suspicious of him, it's me considering in both those games I gave a scum him a pass.

The people are setting me up for a mastin town flip, when who does that anyway, is twitch inducing especially since he accused ffery who declared them town without a doubt. What else did I want to say? I HAD MORE.

Oh I hated the way des attacked ffery yesterday, it just felt so slimy, the whole give me a scum read from all those ends was just atrocious.

Maybe it was because it was a bad attack on the only person I think is town, and am buddying at this point!, but it just felt so off. But they're part of my claim dream state I'm rolling in so more on this later maybe.

i've never said the bold and i was annoyed when you chastized me for it the first time but seriously, if you're going to yell at someone for not reading posts you should get your glass walls replaced.

as for the italics, it's my fault you can't read me worth shit? you put me up for eviction three times in big brother and pushed me pretty hard in we the purple, iirc. we were opposite alignments in all of our other games. perhaps you just don't have the first fucking clue about what i would or wouldn't do as scum?

and finally the underlined, you mean these posts?

That's never been the pattern in the first place. If someone is reading me wrong, then I question their other reads and their understanding of the gamestate. If Mastin is town, then her understanding of the game state is warped by her misreading me.

this is pretty dumb considering townies have misread townies in every game of mafia ever

also you are seriously overrating how influential the neighborhood is and how much content it's robbing from the actual game thread. the vast majority of f-16's posting there has made its way here, either verbatim or spread throughout several posts.

uh???

all i want is one name, ffery. one scumread.

also in case it wasn't clear, the uh???? was in reference to you not wanting to intereact with mastin at all this day phase while simultaneously believing that sorting mastin is the key to unlocking the gamestate fypov

pedit: "i will vote mastin at deadline" isnt a fucking scumread, are you serious?

you voted me ap and orcinus at deadline d1 and last i checked you think we're all town now so...no

i stand behind every single point i made in that sequence.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

And is still calling you scum.

And you see this as town thought process?

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: AP

The same questions go to you that went to CF about AP.

[Nachomamma8]

And is still calling you scum.

And you see this as town thought process?

Yes, I do. I see it more likely that CF would be unwilling to let go of his last major scumread from Day 1 as opposed to CF-scum trying to strongarm someone who is, for all intensive purposes, confirmed town.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

And is still calling you scum.

And you see this as town thought process?

Yes, I do. I see it more likely that CF would be unwilling to let go of his last major scumread from Day 1 as opposed to CF-scum trying to strongarm someone who is, for all intensive purposes, confirmed town.

I agree with this.

[Nachomamma8]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD THERE BE A ROLE THAT'S STRONGER THAN COP ANYWAYS?! THINK ABOUT IT, IT ESSENTIALLY GIVES ALIGNMENT RESULT + ROLE CONFIRMATION OF TOWNIES

It gives confirmed innocents, not confirmed guilties.

[PeregrineV]

PV, why are you so worried about the exact mechanics of ffery's role? I don't even see why these questions matter.

I'm not worried about the exact mechanics of Stalin's role, except as we can use it to clear/confirm other roles.

[The Fox and the Hound]

That leaves three more scum among RG, Fox, Magenta, and Nacho. I'm not entirely sure if the game makes sense that way. Sure, Nacho could be bussing Orc, and Cupcake is scum with them leaving the last scum to be Fox/RG. That is not entirely implausible actually.

Scum are probably among penguin/RG/Fox/Cupcake/Magenta.
I think Penguin currently looks the towniest out of that entire group.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm equally concerned that nacho is looking reasonable about this and it concerns me that he didn't actually vote mastin yesterday all while proclaiming him SCUM!!!

Why do you think I wouldn't vote Mastin as scum?

[Nachomamma8]

That leaves three more scum among RG, Fox, Magenta, and Nacho. I'm not entirely sure if the game makes sense that way. Sure, Nacho could be bussing Orc, and Cupcake is scum with them leaving the last scum to be Fox/RG. That is not entirely implausible actually.

Scum are probably among penguin/RG/Fox/Cupcake/Magenta.
I think Penguin currently looks the towniest out of that entire group.

Tell DV that maybe he should actually follow through with his promises.
Or actually do something today!

[Nachomamma8]

I asked Desp why he wouldn't just talk about his suspicions in thread and he responded by saying that he is amused at all the ways scum are trying to set them up and doesn't care to be transparent in thread. The way he said it felt like he had no fear at all about being set up and that he could claim and talk his way out of anything.

In Too Many Heads, when Desp and I hydra'd and we were cop, Desp told me several times I was being too obvtown and intentionally played scummy in thread in order to bring chances of us being immediately killed down.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho asked AP to hydra with him.

[Nachomamma8]