Mini 1,573: How Do You Want to Die? (Game over!)

[Snork]

If you think I'm scum, which you obviously do by your vote, then you aren't curious what I saw.

[Snork]

GM - yes, that was one of them. there were a few others but i'm not fully engaged with this game yet. i have a few things to do today but will be back here to do that afterwards. i'd skimmed the rest of the game from page 7 but i'd like to give it a more thorough read as well.

[Dr Pants]

Of course I am. Playing town is about information gathering. If you are town, then you had a better read than me. I would like to know why. If you are scum, you have more information than me. Listening to the things you have to say gives me information.

[Dr Pants]

also why do you think I'm scummy? specifically.

[Titus]

@ika, it is sillyness to investigate a bad hammer. Explain it to me if you have seen in a past game in those terms. You can't keep pushing this off.

@Pants, if you are trying to not tunnel then tell me what the end of day one told you. Keep your vote but we talk about something different than him until Tuesday. Then we discuss him on Tuesday wiyh a case.

[Dr Pants]

I can do 2 things at once. I'll meet you half way, I still want to hear from Snork but I'll avoid pushing for his lynch for a couple of days.

You are right that SSK's hammer looks pretty bad. In fact, his ISO as a whole isn't great either. I'm not seeing the ika connection though. The only thing that seems to suggest that is Reinoe's vote on him, and well... that's just not enough. If I was going to gun for someone because of the hammer, I'd go for SSK.

Looking at the wagon as a whole, we have:

B_E, Shroomish, GreyIce, Me, Bubba, ika, and SSK. If their's scum on this wagon, then its amongst:

B_E, Shroomish, Bubba, ika, and SSK.

B_E is just B_E. I haven't seen anything specifically that rings scum. Shroomish, Bubba, and SSK need to post more. Ika's posting seems pretty logical, basically follows the same thought process that I did.

So I'll put Shroomish, Bubba, and SSK as the people to look at the most. Ika maybe second tier? and B_E is just B_E, I don't think he's scum.

[Snork]

If you are town, then you had a better read than me. I would like to know why.

Well for one, he's a newbie and his play lined up with excited newbtown. When you read someone, you have to put those kinds of factors into consideration. Any town who were scum reading him weren't looking at all the information. They weren't looking at the motivation behind his posts. They were being lazy and letting scum run the thread. Half of the people were inactive to the point where

the mod commented

. That told me even more about the situation, which is that the wagon could easily have been scum driven given the lack of activity, since an active town will be more vocal about their reads and a suitable counterwagon would have existed. There wasn't one which means he was likely town. Add that with his posts which showed a motivation to find scum, his newbie tone, his excitement about his reads, and you get reinoe = town. It was clear to me like the sky is blue, which is why I said that. I find it appalling it wasn't clear to anyone else. I find it appalling that the reinoe lynch even happened. What should have happened after I replaced in was one of you lazy fucks should have unvoted to give me a chance to get all of my thoughts out. Instead you all let scum hammer to stop that from happening.

[Snork]

And the fact that I even feel the need to mention the support behind the wagon should make you all feel ashamed. I am ashamed for you. There was practically zero analysis done yesterday.

[Snork]

It literally took me 5 seconds to figure out the reinoe wagon was fucking terrible. It's not like it was some hidden gem among all the noise. It was plain as day to me and it should have been plain as day to the rest of the town.

[Dr Pants]

hmmm. I kinda get it. But I read him as newbscum. Here's a couple things that supported my read:

I've played with Bubbajack8. He likes to waste time in other parts of the forum (mishmash) instead of posting in games. If we must policy lynch someone then I'd advocate for his.

Advocates for a policy lynch early.

Baezu, bubbajack8, GreyICE, and Kitoari

Based on what I've learned about replacement rates and activity there's at least one scum here.

Pins down people as scum before they've posted.

Bubbajack is emo but may not be scum. He's not a strong town player though and we can afford to lose him.

Again with the unnecessary policy.

Oh I can't believe my random vote is still on maziek. Silly me.

VOTE: GreyICE

This, which is just odd given how much pressure was on him.

With my mislynch, the entire scum team is found. Sorry you're gonna get killed killed tonight GM, but it's gonna make for an easy town win.

Calls people not on his wagon conftown.

Reinoe, why all this?

1. Dr. Pants. I haven't had a chance to play with everyone here, but Dr. Pant' scum game is out of this world and I wouldn't want to face it. I hope you're town Dr. P.

What? I sincerely was impressed by your scum play in OPEN 550. Between myself, Pasch, and you: you were the only one to have universal town cred. There is absolutely no sinister motivation in saying that. Just take the damn complement.

I found that buddying is not alignment indicative. I have to say if you and B.E. are buddy team I'm jealous.

This a contributing factor to why I think you're scum. You're assumption that when I say "buddy team" I mean "scum buddy team". People buddy up all the time. Either through laziness, familiarity, or similar thought processes. You and Pasch were buddies in 550. Scum. Bubba and Monkeyman were buddies in 550. Town. Buddying is not alignment indicative but that you assumed "scum buddies" is a freudian slip.

Fabricates a scum slip.

I'm not claiming because this wagon is the most shit wagon I've ever seen.

Refuses to claim.

Now, what I'm getting from you is that the evidence for Reinoe being town was in the way the wagon formed, the lack of activity form parts of the town, and the lack of a counter wagon. These do support Reinoe being town.

Why should I have given more weight to the evidence for Reinoe being town than the evidence for Reinoe being scum?

[HighShroomish]

Will make a post when I get home.

[Snork]

Why should I have given more weight to the evidence for Reinoe being town than the evidence for Reinoe being scum?

Your reasoning for thinking he was scum is wrong, imo.

[Dr Pants]

ok. so then, why am I scum, as opposed to just wrong?

[ika]

@titus,

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=38899

SSK did it twice as town when he replaced in

Also looking at wagon im gonna go at who i suspect VOTE: bubba

bubba: you said you had 0 scum games, what do you have to say to our scum game i just linked here?
How come you were seem so mad yesterday?
What do you have to say about the 2 flips?

[goodmorning]

GM - yes, that was one of them. there were a few others but i'm not fully engaged with this game yet. i have a few things to do today but will be back here to do that afterwards. i'd skimmed the rest of the game from page 7 but i'd like to give it a more thorough read as well.

Mmk.
I don't remember now how relevant they might be but cool.

Hmmmm come to think of it Pants answering any of my questions might be cool

[Burning_Earth]

HS: say more

Pants: You're metaing me off a scum game :face:

Pants: Stop casing dead people.

In fact

Vote pants

[goodmorning]

It would also be nice if BE would answer my questions.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

bubbajack8 (1): ika
Dr Pants (1): Snork
ika (1): Titus
Snork (1): Dr Pants
Not voting (7): Antihero, bubbajack8, Burning_Earth, goodmorning, HighShroomish, Kitoari, MafiaSSK

With

11

players alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch a player.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2014-05-30 18:25:24).

Limited VLA tomorrow

Got it.

[Burning_Earth]

HS: say more

Pants: You're metaing me off a scum game :face:

Pants: Stop casing dead people.

In fact

Vote pants

I voted pants

[Snork]

Thought of something really quick - Anti is lurking. He's scum.

[StrangerCoug]

HS: say more

Pants: You're metaing me off a scum game :face:

Pants: Stop casing dead people.

In fact

Vote pants

I voted pants

Needs to be in vote tags. Read the rules.

[HighShroomish]

@MOD- Are you sure it only takes three votes to lynch?

Well what did you think I was gonna do, B_E? That was highly unnecessary. Fucking opportunistic of you.
Pants is grasping at straws that aren't even there.
Titus' entry to today was weird as fuck to me.
Ika is pinging in every possibly way for me.
VOTE: IKA

[StrangerCoug]

@MOD- Are you sure it only takes three votes to lynch?

That was a typo. It takes six.

[Burning_Earth]

Oh

Yeah fuck reading.

VOTE: pants

[Burning_Earth]

@MOD- Are you sure it only takes three votes to lynch?

Well what did you think I was gonna do, B_E? That was highly unnecessary. Fucking opportunistic of you.
Pants is grasping at straws that aren't even there.
Titus' entry to today was weird as fuck to me.
Ika is pinging in every possibly way for me.
VOTE: IKA

How was I opportunistic?

I said you should provide content. It was true!