Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[Bulbazak]

Field Polarity:

Neutral

Vote Count

Shiny Hydreigon (1): Fear
Doublade (0):
Saki (4): ZZZX, Doublade, Aegor, Dry-fit
ZZZX (0):
PeregrineV (0):
Spring Starflower (0):
Zdenek (0):
TiphaineDeath (1): Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1) Saki
Dry-fit (0):
The Most Curious Thing (3): TiphaineDeath, Xayzeck, PeregrineV
Nachomamma8 (0):
TSO (0):
MafiaSSK (0):
Natirasha (2): Talah, MafiaSSK
Talah (0):
Xayzeck (3): The Most Curious Thing, Natirasha, Zdenek
TheNecromancers (1): Jordan_Downey
Fear (0):
Jordan_Downey (1): TheNecromancers
Aegor (1): Spring Starflower
RachMarie (0):

Not Voting (4): Shiny Hydreigon, Nachomamma8, TSO, RachMarie

It is day 1. With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch. Day ends on Sunday, June 15 at 2:00am EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-06-15 02:00:00).

[Antihero]

biggest problem I have with this push is that's it's stupid, and doesn't show how I could be scum or town

your stupid push chicken comes before my "stupid push" egg.

[Antihero]

what it boils down to: you initially "didn't like" mastin because of confidence of reads (lol?) and now you've spent the last 7 pages just heaping a pile of unexplained nothing on top of it

[Xayzeck]

what it boils down to: you initially "didn't like" mastin because of confidence of reads (lol?) and now you've spent the last 7 pages just heaping a pile of unexplained nothing on top of it

i'm developing a read on your slot now

and right now it's not looking good

[Xayzeck]

your stupid push chicken comes before my "stupid push" egg.

"your push was shit therefore my push can be shit too and you can't say anything about it because you make equally shit posts"

that is not town.

[Antihero]

yeah, everything you've done is retroactive

that is not town.

[Antihero]

VOTE: Xay

[Xayzeck]

yeah, everything you've done is retroactive

that is not town.

general

narrative building

[talah]

VOTE: Xayzeck

I never said I had a meta basis for my read on TMCT.

Also, mastin's scum.

And it is with this post that my vote switches again to
VOTE: Nat

I don't see how the one necessarily leads to the other, especially considering you appear to have countervoted votes on mastin twice now since "discovering" that she's town.

Can you explain your townread on mastin please?

--
I'm just going to go ahead and say it - Xayzeck seems ridiculously obvtown to me. ZZZX - eh not so much. I thought the initial posting looked nervous, even before mastin came out with the incomprehensible/unexplained obvtown read there.

UNVOTE: Nati
VOTE: Necro

I still want to engage, Nati :) - I'm sure it's unimportant in the scheme of things, but who's Bart?

--

But if I'm not misreading this.
If I'm not misunderstanding this.

The Talah post is weird.

Yeah I thought her assessment and immediate read change was weird too. Especially considering mastin was indeed scum in that game.
Seems like she's going for a "talah's trying to emulate his townmeta, therefore scum" approach rather than trying to address my concerns about her initial vector (which from my perspective was pretty much wait-and-see, ergo the raised eyebrow).

Unless of course you're talking about something else.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

where is tso?

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

nacho and rach also have yet to post...

[mastin2]

Can you explain your townread on mastin please?

A much, much, much better question would be:
Why aren't

you

townreading me?

Xayzeck seems ridiculously obvtown to me.

Ehh, not as scum as Anti is saying, but his posting IS alternating massively between "dear god, this can't be anything but town" and "my god, lynch this scumbag" all the while never leaving the land of derp. (Which makes my take on it personally be more towards the town half even though his most recent posting is in the latter category.)

Yeah I thought her assessment and immediate read change was weird too. Especially considering mastin was indeed scum in that game.

Precisely my point.
In that game, I scumread you. You called me out on it. "Mastin would NEVER scumread me if she was town so early. Least of all considering how well we work together." You later went on in the dead QT to talk about how you think you can read me accurately in future games, and I even agreed it was distinctly possible.

In this game, you scumread me. And I'm calling you out on it--I don't think you would be scumreading me if you were town, least of all considering how well we work together and how you fancy yourself able to read me. Yet I'm town and you're pushing the idea I'm not.

[mastin2]

(No, voting me is not inherently a scumtell.
Yes,

talah

voting me is a scumtell.
It's not some silly omgus. It's got history backing it.)

[talah]

What are you misinterpreting about me thinking Antihero seemed scummy, being cautious about you, and then putting two and two together to scumlean your slot?

Anyway if you're town all you would need to do is be the honest-mastin that exists in your towngames. Honest-mastin doesn't misrepresent (to the tune of what I see in pre-edit).

And this is kind of ironic, but I think you don't know me anywhere near as well as you think. I quite often lay down initial reads which are subject to change. You're flying by the seat of your pants trying to assert broad truths about my play based on single events (ie: scumleaning your slot based on Antihero seeming scummy to me, and not understanding where you're coming from).

Basically I have the example of our interactions/your play in Gundam to contrast with 172, and that's been a correct assessment so far.

[mastin2]

mastin I *knew* that I could get a good read on you based on your entrance. Your town and scum entrances are

vastly

different even though you don't seem aware of the differences.

(For the record, I think this is true of talah, too. Compare talah's entrance this game to other town games.)

A big ping was immediately differing reads. I don't think you put down more than two or three insta-reads which you actually have any meat behind. In the last game we played together where we hydra'd, I understood your reads *immediately*. I expected you to enter the thread with either slight disdain for my aggression or a hearty 'hullo' and you've done neither.

You've not tried to connect with me; not tried to *get* a read on me - you've simply said I'm scum and voted me.

In particular, compare that to this.

So yeah leaning scum until there's a reason not to.

(Which is super interesting considering you've just voted someone else even though you think I'm

definitely

scum).

(Which talah is also guilty of doing.)

So I feel like at least we have an amiable connection to the point where if mastin's town, I'd like to work with her, and I'd think that she'd be far more cautious and wanting to determine my alignment rather than just dropping a vote on me and then telling me I know virtually nothing about her.

Mokay. I'm actually happy to let mastin do her thing for the remainder of the day, and interact as necessary (or as prompted by her).

Probably more relevant ones if I dug deeper (this is a multitasking lazily-done search), but it conveys the idea.

Talah as town I was expecting to be working with me. Not against me.

[mastin2]

Anyway if you're town all you would need to do is be the honest-mastin that exists in your towngames.

So why haven't you seen it?

SSK did.

Like I said, I'd absolutely LOVE to be wrong about this, but your attitude here just isn't what I'd expect from a town-you, given that this is the town-me you've seen before.

[Spring Starflower]

VOTE: Necro

i have reasonable belief that mastin+AH is scum. both give individual scumvibes and add them together to give big scumread on the slot.

you guys should really have posted from the hydra

[Spring Starflower]

also i got ourselves an avatar but if anyone has a better avatar choice please do share!

[RachMarie]

Yikes where was the day one start PM?

Sorry all will catch up

[RachMarie]

umm Talah they may mean Bert peeps Talah and Bert are two different people I have played with both. Talah was also in a Newbie game I modded.

[Bulbazak]

Yikes where was the day one start PM?

It was the PM that said "Day 1 Polarity".

[RachMarie]

I figured that out after I reread the rules sorry about that been V/LA

Work stuffs

[Saki]

Post 48 is a scum post, and deserves votes VOTE: TMCT

oh, please, please tell me what is scummy about post 48. TIA

Vote: TiphaineDeath

VOTE: sharpest-knife-on-tree

tbf this was somewhat of a serious vote based on the post above
but this

Vote: Saki.

That naked vote on sharpest knife is the scummiest thing in the game so far. Naked votes come more often from scum in my experience and Saki picked a bad target.

I also have suspicion of Xayzeck and Jordan. Xay I just can't really see where he's coming from in his posts. Jordan is gut but somehow his posts just don't read genuine. No one looks particularly towny but I guess Sharpest knife and Necro seem towny due to interactions with other players.

Also kind of worried PV's questioning is kind of rolefishy.

Those are my observations after a half-assed quick readthrough.

needs rope
what exactly didn't imply that i was voting sharpest knife off his last post, my vote immediately following his?
why exactly is sharpest knife a 'bad target' for a naked vote?
"naked votes come from scum more than town" psh

VOTE: dry-fit

if you have a problem with people naked voting you probably don't want to play with me ever

zzzx, xayzeck, sakurasonic, and doublade are gut scumreads

nati is probs scum

balancing the idea of whether or not i should try to break my post count in fe:a by day 2

[Saki]

where is tso?

nacho and rach also have yet to post...

I particularly don't like this either

idk atm about antihero and Xayzeck
i'm thinking it might be tvs with xay town but could easily be tvt

[Saki]

forgot to add Aegor to gut scumread pile