Open 560: Tit for Tat (Game Over, 4/12 alive)

[T S O]

Do you think that scum normally do nothing?

Do you think that the more you do, the less likely scum you are?

It seems a rather flawed principle that work = scum. I've made out large cases and relentlessly tunnelled on Town as scum. I don't feel it's alignment indicative, but you do, so I'd like to see you back it up.

[T S O]

It feels off that I'm the only one noticing something a bit odd.

[Riddleton]

For the record, I believe TSO is

town

. I highly doubt scum would do what TSO did pre-game as that just casts suspicion on you.

[Not_Mafia]

@Riddleton You should spend a little acquainting yourself with the site meta here, we use RVS (or RQS) to start the game and we use wagons to apply pressure and gain information, we usually only get people to roleclaim when they're at L-1 and we declare intent to hammer.

And my question was in direct response to you saying you don't like RVS, it is the expectation here so that's why I asked. I understand why you didn't participate now.

Also votes require bold tags or vote tags or they won't be counted (

[./b] VOTE: [./vote])

@Krystal Considering he stopped after being chastised for it and he did it after we received our Role PMs why is it alignment indicative for him to have stopped trolling?

[Riddleton]

I'm not sure I'm following Krystal's logic here. I don't think it's any indication of his alignment that he stopped trolling either.

[Riddleton]

Alright, I understand your POV now, N_M. From my viewpoint, it sounded like a quick bandwagon. From the mafia games I played, mafioso don't like drawing attention to themselves. They would rather just go along with the crowd in order to not raise any questions. I found your question odd which is why I voted for you. I understand why the question was asked now, though.

Unvote Not_Mafia

Will wait until we hear back from Krystal.

[Krystal Bald]

Do you think that scum normally do nothing?

Do you think that the more you do, the less likely scum you are?

It seems a rather flawed principle that work = scum. I've made out large cases and relentlessly tunnelled on Town as scum. I don't feel it's alignment indicative, but you do, so I'd like to see you back it up.

Posting good, town-motivated content makes you more likely to be town.
Posting bad, scummy content makes you more likely to be scum.
Posting without including content at all, or to simply defend yourself (active lurking) is a pretty common scum tell yeah.

Not posting is a null tell.

@N_M: He wasn't trolling, he actually thought that what he had posted was a good idea. I don't think he was trying to get on anyone's nerves, it just sorta happened.

[Riddleton]

So what makes you think TSO is scum,

Krystal

?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Yay people already feel like they're sleeping.
Hi Tammy.
No idea was terrible joking or non

[Krystal Bald]

So what makes you think TSO is scum,

Krystal

?

I was actually thinking that his play after the game started has been anti-antagonistic. So far he's placed a random vote on a player not in the game and done nothing else but defend himself, despite posting like over a bajillion times.

[Krystal Bald]

Yay people already feel like they're sleeping.
Hi Tammy.
No idea was terrible joking or non

Rephrase?

[Riddleton]

But he has reason to defend himself doesn't he? Because of his play before the game started, he has had to explain why he unintentionally annoyed a few users prior.
I'm not saying I think you're wrong or right; I'm just saying there may be a reason why he's playing more defensively.

[Krystal Bald]

@Rid:

Annoyed two of you and the game's not even started.

Not bad!

Because he clearly gives a shit about whether we're annoyed.

[Riddleton]

Does it matter? I still want to bring up my previous point I made earlier:-

TSO is town. Seems too obviously scummy to be mafia unless he is double-bluffing us.

If he did this on purpose, why would he do so? In other words, why would he

intentionally

make himself look like mafia before the game has even started?
That would be stupid playing to say the least.

[HGH7193]

Here is the order of how I'm going to vote.

1. Riddleton
2. Krysrtal Bald
3. Not_Mafia
4. T S O

Official Vote: Riddleton

[Riddleton]

Made my mind up.

VOTE: Krystal Bald

[Krystal Bald]

Rid: Why would anyone want to intentionally make themselves look like mafia? Your logic doesn't work because town doesn't want to look scummy either.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Yay people already feel like they're sleeping.
Hi Tammy.
No idea was terrible joking or non

Rephrase?

I'm on mobile and I meant sheeping.
If someone looks luke mafia they can claim dumb town as well simple really. Krystal looks to be trying to hard to be town but already had the approval of town on her side what,7 worthwhile posts into the game mind you I'm not counting the fluff

[Elmo TeH AzN]

And sorry my line breaking isn't working

[Riddleton]

Why would anyone want to intentionally make themselves look like mafia?

That is my question I'm asking to you. T

[Riddleton]

The basis of your accusation to TSO relies on the fact he is purposely:-
-Not doing anything on the day round
-purposely trying to wind people up and therefore make himself look scummy in the process

[T S O]

Do you think that scum normally do nothing?

Do you think that the more you do, the less likely scum you are?

It seems a rather flawed principle that work = scum. I've made out large cases and relentlessly tunnelled on Town as scum. I don't feel it's alignment indicative, but you do, so I'd like to see you back it up.

Posting good, town-motivated content makes you more likely to be town.
Posting bad, scummy content makes you more likely to be scum.
Posting without including content at all, or to simply defend yourself (active lurking) is a pretty common scum tell yeah.

Has the word "anti-town" ever entered your lexicon?

I mean, it doesn't seem to have, because the definition you've given above seems rather naive. I can show you scum games where I've produced lots of content. I can show you towngames where I've produced none.

You don't take motivation into account, and so your analysis is only surface-deep. Thus, people can easily fool you.

Do you think my trolling was scum-motivated? Do you feel most trolls are scum, and your whimsicality has relevance towards your alignment?

I don't.

@N_M: He wasn't trolling, he actually thought that what he had posted was a good idea. I don't think he was trying to get on anyone's nerves, it just sorta happened.

I was bored and decided to have some fun. It wasn't a reaction test, but it works better to say it's a reaction test than flat-out trolling. How would I reaction test people on something that's impossible?

[Krystal Bald]

The basis of your accusation to TSO relies on the fact he is purposely:-
-Not doing anything on the day round
-purposely trying to wind people up and therefore make himself look scummy in the process

The first is correct, the second isn't. Being annoying isn't a tell, it's just one of TSO's character flaws.

[Krystal Bald]

Do you think that scum normally do nothing?

Do you think that the more you do, the less likely scum you are?

It seems a rather flawed principle that work = scum. I've made out large cases and relentlessly tunnelled on Town as scum. I don't feel it's alignment indicative, but you do, so I'd like to see you back it up.

Posting good, town-motivated content makes you more likely to be town.
Posting bad, scummy content makes you more likely to be scum.
Posting without including content at all, or to simply defend yourself (active lurking) is a pretty common scum tell yeah.

Has the word "anti-town" ever entered your lexicon?

I mean, it doesn't seem to have, because the definition you've given above seems rather naive. I can show you scum games where I've produced lots of content. I can show you towngames where I've produced none.

You don't take motivation into account, and so your analysis is only surface-deep. Thus, people can easily fool you.

Do you think my trolling was scum-motivated? Do you feel most trolls are scum, and your whimsicality has relevance towards your alignment?

I don't.

Oh my god
My read on you has nothing to do with whether or not you were trolling. I don't really give a fuck about that. You are now ignoring literally everything that is happening around you and focusing entirely on this conversation because it lets you get away with not scumhunting. Tell me, what's the town motivation for ignoring everything and not scumhunting?

[T S O]

Being poor at Mafia must be one of yours, then, because I've tried to outline why your accusation makes no sense gently, and you haven't changed anything about your stance.

*sigh*

PEdit: OMG YOUR RESPONSE MAKES SENSE BUT YOU'RE IGNORING THE OTHER NOTHINGS THAT'S HAPPENING!