Newbie 1519 : Murder in the Barracks (Game Over)


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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:24 am

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[L-2] Bullish (singersigner, Yukari, mathbandit)

[L-3] mathbandit (aphix, Flubbernugget)

[L-4] Yukari (Bullish)

[L-5] singersigner ()

[L-5] ForeverSnj ()

[L-5] burn_209 ()

[L-5] Flubbernugget ()

[L-5] Elmo TeH AzN ()

[L-5] aphix ()



Not Voting :
ForeverSnj, burn_209, Elmo TeH AzN
Votes needed for lynch :
5

Deadline for Day 1:
(expired on 2014-07-16 22:00:00)


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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:13 am

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We don't like the way rvs is used. People shouldn't vote randomly, and rvs despite its name is not supposed to mean, everyone gets to vote randomly because there is no info to go on stage.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Random_Vote
One criticism of the random voting stage is that the votes are meaningless and pressureless, as players do not tend to have any real attachment to their vote or wanting to lynch the player being voted for. The solution to this is to up the stakes. It is not at all unheard of for a random vote wagon to reach a lynch, or for a Policy Lynch to occur with little to no discussion, and so forth. By raising or even possibly enforcing this possibility, the RVS can become more serious.

Note that truly random voting, as with the dice tag, is strictly frowned upon. A vote that is demonstrably random carries no motivation to be read into, and is completely informationless. This is not the intent of the "random voting stage".
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:31 am

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Unvote, Vote: Yukari


I don't buy for a second that someone with a full game of MS forum Mafia plus multiple games of chat Mafia would be honestly making the suggestion of voting off the people that look most Town.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:50 am

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1 forum game and less than 5 chat games, mostly 3person mafia which was kinda lame.
Also, not suggesting to lynch whoever looks most town, just speculating about possibility of voting someone who appears overly town.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:01 am

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Yukari doesn't follow directions well.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:48 am

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In post 54, aphix wrote:Yukari doesn't follow directions well.
What ya mean? Kinda vague.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:51 am

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In post 47, Yukari wrote:
In post 43, Flubbernugget wrote:Pushing a bandwagon lynch before we can get good reads? It's definitely weak reasoning, but it's what I have right now, although after the fact Bullish began to act very scummy.
What did bullish do that was, "very scummy"?
He started fishing for answers to his question.
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:01 am

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In post 48, aphix wrote:
In post 26, Yukari wrote:Ppl can vote how they wantz..
Also, being good at math doesn't seem very scummy.
Flubbernugget: Below question, interested in your answer.
In post 42, singersigner wrote:What's so bad about an L-2 vote this early?
Already answered that. But to add my gut feeling to the situation, there is probably one scum voting for Bullish right now, if he's town, and there's one more vote for him, that's the perfect opportunity for the other scum to step in and gain a free kill, which definitely isn't good for us.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:19 am

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In post 57, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 48, aphix wrote:
In post 26, Yukari wrote:Ppl can vote how they wantz..
Also, being good at math doesn't seem very scummy.
Flubbernugget: Below question, interested in your answer.
In post 42, singersigner wrote:What's so bad about an L-2 vote this early?
Already answered that. But to add my gut feeling to the situation, there is probably one scum voting for Bullish right now, if he's town, and there's one more vote for him, that's the perfect opportunity for the other scum to step in and gain a free kill, which definitely isn't good for us.
If we were bulls scumbuddy we would be likely to jump on the bandwagon for him being an rvs bandwagon and possibly less likely to end in a lynch. For early distancing. Honestly if scumbuddy did very poorly at defending himself we would meybey even let him die for the extra distancing depending on the situation.
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:23 am

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Though we likely wouldn't atk scumbuddy unless they were looking suspicious. Same playstyle town or scum.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:59 am

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You're suggesting a bus?
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 6:25 am

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Yup. Definitely happy with my vote. Don't see it being moved much today, at this point.
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 6:47 am

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Not scum, just saiyan.
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:29 am

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VOTE: Bullish

Seems pretty scummy to me.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:36 am

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Well this game has moving at the speed of light. I'll try to read some tonight but FIREWORKS!!!! And work in the morning. I should have time to read tomorrow kthx
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:42 am

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In post 62, Yukari wrote:Not scum, just saiyan.
Mind actually contributing, besides suggesting it might be a good reason to lynch the people looking most Town, and trying to tell us what you would do if you were Scum?
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:57 am

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In post 61, mathbandit wrote:Yup. Definitely happy with my vote. Don't see it being moved much today, at this point.
"I'm not going to scumhunt or give reasons for my vote but I'm planning on parking my vote here all day and continue not playing. K thanks bai."

In post 63, ForeverSnj wrote:VOTE: Bullish

Seems pretty scummy to me.
Care to share with the class or continue the l-2 wagon on page three with naked vote sheeping a non tell?
In post 55, Yukari wrote:
In post 54, aphix wrote:Yukari doesn't follow directions well.
What ya mean? Kinda vague.
aphix wrote:Yukari: Also, without any quoting or posting links, curious as to what is your current opinion on RVS?
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:43 am

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In post 43, Flubbernugget wrote:Pushing a bandwagon lynch before we can get good reads? It's definitely weak reasoning, but it's what I have right now, although after the fact Bullish began to act very scummy.
I wouldn't call what he did 'pushing' nor was it really a 'bandwagon.' Why did you interpret it that way?

@aphix...what's your experience with mafia, both irl and forum?
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In post 62, Yukari wrote:Not scum, just saiyan.
Mind actually contributing, besides suggesting it might be a good reason to lynch the people looking most Town, and trying to tell us what you would do if you were Scum?
What exactly do you think is lacking from their play?

@Yukari...when you say that it might even be worth targeting the people who look the most town because scum have incentive to look more town, how would you distinguish that from a true town? Or... could you elaborate more on that point?
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:01 am

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In post 66, aphix wrote:
In post 61, mathbandit wrote:Yup. Definitely happy with my vote. Don't see it being moved much today, at this point.
"I'm not going to scumhunt or give reasons for my vote but I'm planning on parking my vote here all day and continue not playing. K thanks bai."
Might help you see the reasons for my votes if you tried reading my posts.
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:09 am

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In post 67, singersigner wrote:
mathbandit wrote:
In post 62, Yukari wrote:Not scum, just saiyan.
Mind actually contributing, besides suggesting it might be a good reason to lynch the people looking most Town, and trying to tell us what you would do if you were Scum?
What exactly do you think is lacking from their play?
Everything they post makes no sense from someone with as much experience as they have. And I don'y buy it as being sincere.
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:20 am

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In post 67, singersigner wrote:
In post 43, Flubbernugget wrote:Pushing a bandwagon lynch before we can get good reads? It's definitely weak reasoning, but it's what I have right now, although after the fact Bullish began to act very scummy.
I wouldn't call what he did 'pushing' nor was it really a 'bandwagon.' Why did you interpret it that way?
That early in the game, those were the only straws to grasp at. Now I am more suspicious of Bullish for the reasons I have already stated. I have also noticed Yukari is attracting a lot of attention. I'm going to read into his posts a little more shortly.

I have also noticed, singersigner, that you have been asking a lot of questions (rightfully so as the IC), but are hesitant to provide much personal insight into the situation at hand? Any reason behind doing so?
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:42 am

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In post 67, singersigner wrote:
@aphix...what's your experience with mafia, both irl and forum?
Here. My games under my name and my hydra on site. Like two irl games.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:10 pm

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@Yukari...when you say that it might even be worth targeting the people who look the most town because scum have incentive to look more town, how would you distinguish that from a true town? Or... could you elaborate more on that point?
Just think that someone could be possibly be tryin a bit too hard to blend in. In the least be suspicious of everyone, and dont let overly town facade prevent analysis.

In post 69, mathbandit wrote:
In post 67, singersigner wrote:
mathbandit wrote:
In post 62, Yukari wrote:Not scum, just saiyan.
Mind actually contributing, besides suggesting it might be a good reason to lynch the people looking most Town, and trying to tell us what you would do if you were Scum?
What exactly do you think is lacking from their play?
Everything they post makes no sense from someone with as much experience as they have. And I don'y buy it as being sincere.
1 game of forum mafia a few months ago is not much. We played another 1 or 2 games before but that was years ago. So like 3 total.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:54 pm

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mathbandit wrote:Might help you see the reasons for my votes if you tried reading my posts.
Are you talking about this?
mathbandit wrote:
Unvote, Vote: Yukari


I don't buy for a second that someone with a full game of MS forum Mafia plus multiple games of chat Mafia would be honestly making the suggestion of voting off the people that look most Town.
If so, you are basing bad judgment and decision to being a scum tell. Reading Yukari posts here and in the one completed game I don't see the level of thought going into these posts that you seem to see. I see, and they explain it, exactly as I read it in the first place as someone trying to
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town, in post and . I can see wanting clarification based on their wording but assuming that they are scum off of this and that it's todays lynch on page three I see only coming from a scum mindset.

Add in the fact that you don't really give any more reasoning. Don't attempt to contribute or engage anywhere else in the game ... gives me concerns.

In post 57, Flubbernugget wrote:
Already answered that. But to add my gut feeling to the situation, there is probably one scum voting for Bullish right now, if he's town, and there's one more vote for him, that's the perfect opportunity for the other scum to step in and gain a free kill, which definitely isn't good for us.
Here's my suggestion, that probably isn't going to happen. One, a hammer on flash wagon like that turns up on town, is probably going to be getting lynched the next day. Here's a hint, as town don't hammer on a flash wagon this early in day one. You are most likely only going to help scum by lynching a town player.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:37 pm

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In post 70, Flubbernugget wrote:I have also noticed, singersigner, that you have been asking a lot of questions (rightfully so as the IC), but are hesitant to provide much personal insight into the situation at hand? Any reason behind doing so?
I don't tend to provide personal insight until I have all the facts to provide it.
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