Newbie 1515: Old-Timey Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Bins]

i just want brian to be scum so my read can be right. LOL

[Bins]

We can have a setup of VT, Goon, and Cop. Thesp can be the only person telling the goddamn truth in the game.

This game is too hard.

[Boonskiies]

You're trying to hard to defend him. There was absolutely no sense in me claiming tracker IF I didn't know the exact setup. Simple as that. You are going in this subject way too hard, Binsy.

[Bins]

Fuck. This. Shit. Why does Boon actually make sense through all his BS?

I get what you're saying. I understand why you would be motivated to lie. But I'm not scum, and if you're not scum, you have to trust me on that.

[Bins]

UNVOTE:

I'll wait.

[Thesp]

There was absolutely no sense in me claiming

tracker

a guilty result on an innocent townie on D2 IF I

didn't know the exact setup

wasn't trying to get a mislynch while outing a power role. Simple as that.

Fixed That For You.

[Bins]

Now. Actual questions.

Why did you want Jake lynched enough that you wanted to lie to lynch him?
I know you explained it. I want it again. Plain and simple.

[Boonskiies]

You see, since you guys roleblocked me night 1 for god knows what reason, I

DID

know the setup, so thesp's comment is moot.

PEdit: I did think he was scum originally, but by the time I figured it out he was actually town, if I would have retracted I would have gotten lynched instead. And I'd rather him be lynched than me. Which, you can see that I stopped posting at the end of the day.

[Boonskiies]

Well, I knew I'd catch a scum with it day 2, but I reeled in the wrong fish. I didn't even suspect Bins day 2.

[Bins]

Ugh, but things just worked out so perfectly for you.

I'm town.
(Okay, if you don't believe me, but SAY I'm town.)

Who's scum?

[Boonskiies]

Thesp/Honey.

Thesp should be confirmed scum. And I don't have much on honey, that's just process of elimination. But despite that, if it was down to me choosing bins/honey, I'd definitely lean towards Bins.

[Bins]

Right. Dumb question cause PoE. Ugh, I've got nothing.

[Bins]

Thesp, why did you investigate me?

[Thesp]

You see, since you guys roleblocked me night 1 for god knows what reason, I

DID

know the setup, so thesp's comment is moot.

How in the world is my comment moot? You lied about your role, trying to out power roles while lynching a townie. How in the world is that even defensible?

[Thesp]

Thesp, why did you investigate me?

I was least certain of your alignment. It was a toss-up between you and Brian Skies.

[Boonskiies]

Because I was the only one to know the setup. If I was scum, someone would have been able to counterclaim me because of someone else being a town PR.

@Bins - If you are town, don't trust Thesp much on the cop claim. As scum, it is super easy to counterclaim cop because you know exactly who town is and who scum is.

[Bins]

Says you, lol.

But I was in your situation before, Boon. Minus the whole lying and shit.

[Brian Skies]

I need to reread this game, but these are my initial thoughts.

SETUP

Matrix6 (as designed by Cogito Ergo Sum):

	A	B	C
1	Town Jailkeeper	Vanilla Townie	Mafia Goon
2	Mafia Roleblocker	Town Cop	Town Doctor
3	Town 1-shot Bulletproof	Mafia Goon	Town Tracker

This game has been given a setup that incorporates either one row or one column. The remaining six roles have be filled in by Mafia Goons and Vanilla Townies appropriately, to create a 2-Mafia and 7-Town setup. For example Row 1 (1 Jailkeeper, 1 Vanilla Townie, 1 Mafia Goon) would add an additional 5 Vanilla Townies and 1 Mafia Goon, for a total setup of 1 Jailkeeper, 6 Vanilla Townies, and 2 Mafia Goons.

*Roleblocker will take precedence over jailkeeper when resolving night actions should that apply.

I don't know. Should I just believe that Boons knew there was a roleblocker in this setup and he thought he could just claim that he was an investigative role? The RB could just RB him all game. It also doesn't make up for the fact he let us mislynch someone based on a false result. It also makes more sense to me that Boons is lying about all of this because I can see scum trying to take advantage of a claimed investigative role with their roleblocker (which makes me think Boons is probably just a goon).

I protected Honeybee N1 because I had a townread on her at the time and I eliminated my other townreads for specific reasons. I also thought her initial reaction to BP's lynch seemed townish. Bins had decently accurate reads when she replaced into her first newbie game, so I left her open for NKA in the event she was right about scum being in the newbs (I was entertaining a Boons/Gott possibility). I also find it more unlikely for players to flake when they're investigative roles (Cop>Tracker>JK). Jake claimed VT and I don't protect those. Sorry bro! I probably should have protected Cheery considering she was an SE with almost no suspicion, but I couldn't find any crumbs indicating she was a power role. And her play just looked pretty standard to me. I waffled a lot between Cheery and Honeybee but eventually just gambled on Honeybee. I didn't protect Thesp because I was concerned over his willingness to quickhammer Jake and end the day early, as well as cutting the discussion short without much interaction with the replacements. I was also being a bit stubborn with my initial read on Thesp (I wanted to be right).

On N2, I felt my only options were Thesp and Gottemer based on the claims. Honeybee and Bins both claimed VT. Gottemer and Thesp were being noncommittal with their claims. Thesp's post was especially noncommittal towards the claim and I thought he could have been a power role between the two for the same reasoning I was concerned about him the previous night. He seemed to be looking for an opportunity to claim. He also ended discussion shortly after I went after Gottemer (I admit I was rolefishing, but I had obligations).

Currently, I feel more inclined to believe Thesp over Boons, which would make Honeybee the other scum (my perspective). This surprises me because I was really hoping she was town this game. >:[ I'm not looking forward to reading any of Boons' posts right now because if he's scum, he's managed to buddy and distance practically every player in this game.

I entertained the idea of Boons being the tracker on Day 2 because I'm a doctor. The possibility was there and no one CC'ed him.

Bins, to answer your question from the previous day, I was PoE'ing scumteams I could see Jake in. I called you out because your tone changed right after the night phase and for other relational tells based on your initial replacement post. I also wanted to burn this post with fire (which doesn't look anywhere near as bad as the first time I saw it). Your prejudice against my walls doesn't bother me. People don't like to trust me in general for who knows what reason.

Thesp, I thought you had a townread on Gottemer, why'd you cop him N1?

Boons, you keep saying you think I'm town and that you had a feeling I was a doc. You haven't expounded on this by any means. I never indicated I was a protective role because I never crumbed it. So what's the deal?

[Bins]

I started to care less and less about this game as soon as I found out that we might have a lying town. So, my tone definitely became less serious.

I'm going to rip my teeth out because I'm believing Boon too. I hate him but I do. And I'm done with this game.

[Bins]

Are there any crumbs at all? Like seriously, guys.

Also, can Boon/Brian still be a scum team? Yeah, they can. Yaaaay, I still have a chance for correct reads!


P.S. I hate Boon.

[Brian Skies]

Are there any crumbs at all?

Why would I crumb a protective role? In another set-up, maybe, but doing it in a Newbie game is akin to having a death wish.

And if there are crumbs, I haven't found any. It's caused me a lot of stress and speculation this game.

[Bins]

Not you. Thesp and Boons.

I'm honestly leaning town on you, despite my hopes for my initial read to be correct.

[Boonskiies]

@Brian - Well, I was pretty certain the doctor didn't vote Jake to be lynched. Scum was definitely on that wagon. I was semi hunting for the doctor yesterDay, in a way that they wouldn't have to claim. You were my only town read. Day 1 I did vote you, but I wasn't interested in this game at all at that point and kind of just did whatever.

Anywho, Thesp is scum. Brian is doctor. Honestly Bins is contradicting herself here and there, but she is newer and I understand the fact that we had a town who was lying, and she lost interest. Honey has been semi lurking. Definitely the least active out of the gang, but I can't be certain on scum.

Bins reaction towards me now is giving me a town read on her, but that could just be a ploy. I don't know. She may hate me for my play, but everything I have said has made sense, and she knows it.



PEdit: Brian is town as hell. The setup is M Role Blocker, M goon, Doc, Cop, Vt.

[Boonskiies]

WAIT A MINUTE!!!!! THERE'S ONLY ONE VT!!!!!!!!!!!! Bins and Honey both claimed VT?!?!

[Bins]

I'm "contradicting" myself because I'm honestly extremely confused.


I'm VT. I swear on my daughter and stuff.