Mini 1566: Lunar Silver Star Story Complete (Game Over)


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Post Post #2325 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:31 am

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In post 2322, ActionDan wrote:Well if Beast claimed nurse at some point, Mastin would have changed her mind and town would probably lose.
You seriously underestimate my powers of setup spec, then.

If Beast had claimed nurse, then the one thing that didn't make sense to me.
The ONE thing that was my strongest reason for thinking Mac could be town. ("He couldn't be scum doc since that's useless in this setup, but what other scum role could he have?")

...Would have been explained.

Beast claiming nurse would have caused it to click into place, and make me realize,
"Oh.
Now I get it.
Now I understand."

And made me vote Mac that much sooner.
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Post Post #2326 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:05 am

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In post 90, ActionDan wrote:Mastin is going to be mad when she finds out that Scum Doc is a role.
I know scum doc is a role.

I checked to see if there was any town killing roles, and when I found none, concluded Mac couldn't be a scum doc. So I wasn't mad. Just surprised.
In post 59, Cabd wrote:This is the same gameplay (or lack thereof) that got mac killed as scum in ceph's fire emblem large.
And I picked up on it! :mrgreen:
In post 76, zMuffinMan wrote:(also the "i think mac is town" "intent to hammer" thing was another fairly bad thing to do because it, again, drew unnecessary attention)
I thought it was brilliant, in the sense that it drew attention off of Mac.

It just backfired in that it drew too much attention onto HKC.
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Post Post #2327 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:26 am

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Fun fact: I isoed myself and looked at my progression on Mac.

Basically, the whole time, I said the same thing: "Mac's role looks town. His play does not." Which is what bork wanted, more or less.

I actually quite like the progression I made, since I progressively managed to put the puzzle pieces together. A lot of what I did was circular, but Mac was always in my choices pretty much, in that I was reasoning things through, and be it claim or play, other players were always coming ahead of Mac overall. And it really says something that the half-way point in my iso is on Wednesday, when I began the Mac case. (Which was more analysis than case-making. It was more to convince myself than to convince others. :P)

This game shows a fine example of why I am a fairly-strong late-game player, in spite of my utter lack of confidence: I might not get to this stage often, and I might never stop angsting over my every decision, but from a purely-objective viewpoint, there is a clear progression in my thoughts, my analysis slowly comes together, and it begins to put the puzzle pieces of the game together bit by small bit. Individual sections might seem stupid, in that they diverge from good play into bad play, but those individual sections mostly remain individual, in that they're soon put back into place. It's sort-of like a mental counter-argument, a devil's advocate, like I'm saying, "This is possible...but I don't think it's true", just on a more broad scale.
(It should be noted that I do these same things in the early-game, too...but they are done with me filling in the blanks a LOT more with wild guesses that I assume are factual just because I have nothing better to go off of. The results show: sometimes, I am really, REALLY right on things. Other times, really, REALLY wrong. And it takes a LOT of work. LOT. To mentally reset when I've had wrongness revealed to me. Which is one of the main reasons I get that doubt about my abilities, and don't like to live late in the game.)

It's not something I get to do very often. (Mainly because I'm averaging dead-before-N2 in games. :igmeou:) And while highly-stressful, the relief afterwords is well worth it. It's not as fast as others would prefer, but...I can get it right. If not exactly, then close enough. (This was the same thing causing me to strongly prefer replacing into games in 2011. Like Underground Mafia, or Fire & Ice mafia, and similar; those types of game kept me on the site because I did similar to this game.)
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Post Post #2328 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:13 pm

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In post 2324, mastin2 wrote:I did it?

...I did it!

I did it! :D

You have no clue how much small victories like this one help me.
And we managed to do it without turning on each other and ruining the game!
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Post Post #2329 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:23 pm

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Also, Jake:

1) Me being alive reduced pressure from other players in their scum hunting. From everyone else's POV, they only had to get 2 good townreads for town to have an auto-win after the HKC lynch.

2) It's not like I wasn't reading the game and not giving reads. I put down votes and was generally decently on-point with them (got the HKC wrong, but I had SMP early and consistently in day 1, had highshroomish as "not something we should lynch right now," which was better than the rest of the game, and ultimately pushed the game in the right direction on Mac while strong-townreading the one guy that was giving most other people trouble)

3) I did all of this while
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being a highly toxic force in game and causing large amounts of disruption. Jake, for as strong of a scum hunter as you are, every game I've played with you where you've been town has been unfun while you've been alive (granted, n=2 here, but that doesn't seem to be unique to those games given what posting I've seen you have elsewhere). Yes, Muffin can be a huge dick and also needs to learn a lesson in toxicity, but at the end of the day, you both acted in highly inappropriate ways that were detrimental to your wincon and forced you both out of the game, which put undue pressure on Bork to find a replacement.
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Post Post #2330 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:24 pm

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And now I can go on hiatus on a high note, at least.
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Post Post #2331 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:48 pm

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Thanks for the game bork :D
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Post Post #2332 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:51 pm

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Bork, thanks for the game! Sorry to the (dead) town for not thinking more critically about the game state the last day. Kept getting distracted wanting to lynch Aegor...!
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Post Post #2333 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:52 pm

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Sorry bro I did nothing detrimental to my wincon since I helped lynch 2 scum.

Aegor/muffin should have been the 2 replaced, Not me. You don't punish the person who 1. Is helping town win and. 2. The person being trolled/insulted by 3 people. I did nothing to warrant replacement. Getting picked on isn't a crime. If you didn't enjoy the game blame those 2 and scum hkc for pushing my buttons.
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Post Post #2334 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:07 pm

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except nobody did anything worthy of replacement, or even worthy of a warning. you're too much of a dumb fuck to realise that
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Post Post #2335 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:08 pm

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like you literally asked for me to be replaced because i "criticised your reads"

how fucking dense are you, you dumb shit?
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Post Post #2336 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:45 pm

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and we're done here, thanks guys.
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Post Post #2337 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:44 pm

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Mine?
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