Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery - Game Over

[Cheery Dog]

Please stop suggesting roles and stuff. I'd rather not play wifomic games.

What we do know is that Antihero didn't want us following don while he (Anti) was being run up yesterday.

soooo.... the logic is that i would get lynched, flip scum, and you would then proceed to ........ not listen to me and cement don's status as conftown?

how is this scummy?

If you want to flip scum, sure.

If it is scummy is what I want to figure out by bringing it to attention. There is no how involved yet.

@Cheery Okay short of role speculation, what is your content read of Chaos/Konowa? My opinion is that Chaos has been seeming more townie over the last few days and Konowa more and more scummy.

I don't know as I've still be lazy in not reading the game before I replaced in. (unlikely to change)

Their recent posts aren't wanting me to lynch either of them though.

[BroodKingEXE]

Okay a lot of these posts have been taken way out of context.

• Chevre was the last person who posted of course I asked him as a joke. Notice I have been joking about start's post all game.
  
  
• Should've been more clear with 479. I was talking about Boonskies not Chevre. Should be clear that I am talking about Boon from the rest of my ISO though.
  
  
• I believe it's good practice to say L-2, so someone doesn't accidentally L-1 someone. I don't even understand how this is posturing.
  
  
• With 827, I'm talking about how Anen is presenting's Anti's involvment in the Chevre lynch which I don't believe is adequate. As for 750 and 798, I'm trying to understand what Anti's reasoning is behind his flip-flopping. He pursued the Anen lynch forever and hops off because I jumped on. He's not really talking to me about it either which is frustrating.

Is this what you are talking about? Only thing I see taken "way out of context" is the second point. The rest of your refutes are crap.

1) Just because Chevre was the last to respond doesn't negate the fact that you -only- talked to him about the point. Why would you only single him out?
3) I think it's posturing because the L-2 announcement without actually talking about the Chevre wagon is off. I can't put it in any other words.
4) Hedge, hedge, hedge.

1) Not getting my point across well. Part of it was a joke and part of it was a reaction test. Either way, he had just posted and I had saw start's post. Yeah, I could have said "Anen, Chevre and Chaos you rolled scum in Start's list any comment?". You can read it how you read it, just part of D1 shenanigans.

3) Can't really say much more on this either. Looking back I was busy that day, so I didn't want to do anything too rash with the Chevre wagon as I had not read up.

4)Quite frankly, I am hedging. Anens posting at that point was reading scummy, but so stubborn it could be seen as a townie misreading the game. His content at that point was feeling more towny. What Anti was doing at that point was similar to what Anen suggested Anti was doing D1, making Anen's case more plausible.

[BroodKingEXE]

Please stop suggesting roles and stuff. I'd rather not play wifomic games.

What we do know is that Antihero didn't want us following don while he (Anti) was being run up yesterday.

soooo.... the logic is that i would get lynched, flip scum, and you would then proceed to ........ not listen to me and cement don's status as conftown?

how is this scummy?

If you want to flip scum, sure.

If it is scummy is what I want to figure out by bringing it to attention. There is no how involved yet.

@Cheery Okay short of role speculation, what is your content read of Chaos/Konowa? My opinion is that Chaos has been seeming more townie over the last few days and Konowa more and more scummy.

I don't know as I've still be lazy in not reading the game before I replaced in. (unlikely to change)

Their recent posts aren't wanting me to lynch either of them though.

Haha funny that you say that, cause I feel half the players hasn't been reading any posts past D1.

[BroodKingEXE]

@Guy: What's your read on Bert, or why is he so town? Apart from a couple of quotes from the beginning of the game, you haven't presented any substance as to why he is town (while you have asserted his townieness a helluvalot). I just looked over his ISO and feel it fits well from scum POV.

[Guyett]

@Guy: What's your read on Bert, or why is he so town? Apart from a couple of quotes from the beginning of the game, you haven't presented any substance as to why he is town (while you have asserted his townieness a helluvalot). I just looked over his ISO and feel it fits well from scum POV.

I've played a good few games with him and his playstyle usually is similar to this.... but I'm beginning to get super paranoid on him too now :/

[BroodKingEXE]

@Guy: What's your read on Bert, or why is he so town? Apart from a couple of quotes from the beginning of the game, you haven't presented any substance as to why he is town (while you have asserted his townieness a helluvalot). I just looked over his ISO and feel it fits well from scum POV.

I've played a good few games with him and his playstyle usually is similar to this.... but I'm beginning to get super paranoid on him too now :/

I've never played a game with him personally, but he feels so far under my radar right now it's scary. His votes and suspicions are never too out of the ordinary and he hasn't stuck his neck out the whole game.

[Guyett]

When he's on form he's scary good, I don't know whats with him and Anti... their play is really odd. Anti has like given up and Bert just isn't trying :/

[Guyett]

I can't help but think that the apathy from anti is scum apathy after losing a member so early in the game. Like he did try push the wagon but didn't follow through with it.

[Guyett]

push the Chevre Wagon if that isn't clear

[Guyett]

VOTE: anti

If you're town you need to wake the fuck up and help.

[Konowa]

Quite frankly Chaos explains that play well in 725. He states that he wanted to push a Reinoe lynch, and switched over to Chevre when he realized that was not going to happen. Combine that with his day two content and I see a townie Chaos. It's a bit hard to see cause he was LA posting D1, but I feel that thought process is there. Quite frankly it's similar to how you were pushing me D2 imo. You could have easily pushed Chaos and at least got a discussion going. I probably wasn't getting lynched yesterday.

Understandable that there is an explanation for it. I just think the combination of the vote for reinoe over Chevre taking into consideration the timing of the vote, the actual reluctance of his vote for Chevre, and how he tried to manipulate results of the fact that Anen didn't visit anyone thus Anen is town thus Anti is scum, makes chaos likely to be scum.

I can't help but think that the apathy from anti is scum apathy after losing a member so early in the game. Like he did try push the wagon but didn't follow through with it.

This is the same argument that dj was pushing yesterday, I don't know if there's any significance to it or not though. Are you commenting on it now because of paranoia? Why do you think scumAnti would have unvoted EPM and gone back to the Chevre wagon at it's lowest? What am I missing?

[Konowa]

Official Vote Count

evilpacman18 (4):

Guyett, reinoe, Antihero, Konowa [L-3]

Chevre (2):

Boonskiies, don_johnson

Boonskiies (2):

Chevre, startfromtheheart

reinoe (1):

Aneninen

Antihero (1):

chaoslord54

Not Voting

: BroodKingEXE, evilpacman18, Misaka Network

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Time Till Deadline: (expired on 2014-07-11 13:16:00)

reinoe is V/LA until July 7th

Official Vote Count

Chevre (5):

Boonskiies, don_johnson, Antihero, Guyett, Misaka Network [L-2]

evilpacman18 (2):

reinoe, Konowa

Boonskiies (2):

Chevre, startfromtheheart

reinoe (2):

Aneninen, chaoslord54

Not Voting

: BroodKingEXE, evilpacman18

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Time Till Deadline: (expired on 2014-07-11 13:16:00)

reinoe is V/LA until July 7th
evilpacman18 is V/LA until July 8th

These are the two votecounts I am talking about. The context between the two is what I believe to be of importance.

[BroodKingEXE]

I can't help but think that the apathy from anti is scum apathy after losing a member so early in the game. Like he did try push the wagon but didn't follow through with it.

A situation I'm rolling around in my head is that Anti kept jumping off the Chevre wagon thinking it was never going to take off, but suddenly Chevre is L-1 for the second Chevre wagon and he gets lynched on accident. That would definitely cause a lot of apathy and frustration seen in D2. I feel like Anti's activity when Chevre was L-2 supports it and am trying to see if there is a scum team that could have caused such a scenario. If I can find such a scum team, we should consider this scenario, but as of now it's the only that makes sense for scum Anti in my head.

[BroodKingEXE]

Kinda of adding on. I personally didn't read Cherve's long walls of posts, because I didn't want to get a headache. Was I the only one who was tuning out Chevre at some point D1?

[BroodKingEXE]

@Everyone^^

[Aneninen]

Anen's alignment depends on Anti I think.

Why? Though I too find Anti scummy.

also, don got nked because he was never ever getting lynched...

Whut??! How the fork does that make sense??!!

My opinion is that Chaos has been seeming more townie over the last few days and Konowa more and more scummy.

I think both of them are town. (See my previous posts for explanations)

I've been WIFOMizing the game much more than anyone else, but that's because I haven't really had much to say - got a lot of distractions going on outside the site which should be much better in a week or two. I don't think I've really provided any good info in this game so far, so you could have pointed that out on D1, D2, or D3.

...and you all call me a fluffy and a content-less one? Take a look at Bert. ^_^

A situation I'm rolling around in my head is that Anti kept jumping off the Chevre wagon thinking it was never going to take off, but suddenly Chevre is L-1 for the second Chevre wagon and he gets lynched on accident.

Yes, I was talking about that vote pattern for a while during Day2 but somehow most of you ignored that. (By the way, the lynch was not an accident. it was Guyett – therefore I have some major town reads on him anyway.)

As for Chevre's walls, they indeed were to give us a headache. They were "so-called-answers-for-random-selected-bits" or how can I explain that.


VOTE: Antihero – not only because of the start of Day2 with that "less-than-1-minute-reply". I find your recent posts scummy too (an example has been given above). Plus, your crusade against accepting Don's opinion during Day2!

[Konowa]

Can anyone explain to me why scumAnti would unvote EPM when he was at L-2 and then go back to the Chevre wagon and get FakeGod to vote Chevre if he is scum with Chevre? He unvoted at L-1 with Chevre claiming Vanilla to get reads out. Chevre was getting lynched, no doubt. Reads come out, Guy hammers. Where is the scum intent?

[Konowa]

Also, Anen you're being way too gullible in regards to chaos. If chaos is scum who fakeclaimed tracker of course he is going to have to risk faking results.

[Cheery Dog]

VOTE: anti

If you're town you need to wake the fuck up and help.

This post is still putting me off. It's like I want to go do this now or something

VOTE: Guyett

The amount of playing around with the Cherve wagon I see during my quick glimpse into Guyett's iso is also telling me he might be someone that was looking for a way to get off, although his vote also looks fairly weak.

[Guyett]

Anen's alignment depends on Anti I think.


Why? Though I too find Anti scummy.

If he's scum I really really doubt you're scum.

[BroodKingEXE]

Anen's alignment depends on Anti I think.

Why? Though I too find Anti scummy.

also, don got nked because he was never ever getting lynched...

Whut??! How the fork does that make sense??!!

My opinion is that Chaos has been seeming more townie over the last few days and Konowa more and more scummy.

I think both of them are town. (See my previous posts for explanations)

I've been WIFOMizing the game much more than anyone else, but that's because I haven't really had much to say - got a lot of distractions going on outside the site which should be much better in a week or two. I don't think I've really provided any good info in this game so far, so you could have pointed that out on D1, D2, or D3.

...and you all call me a fluffy and a content-less one? Take a look at Bert. ^_^

A situation I'm rolling around in my head is that Anti kept jumping off the Chevre wagon thinking it was never going to take off, but suddenly Chevre is L-1 for the second Chevre wagon and he gets lynched on accident.

Yes, I was talking about that vote pattern for a while during Day2 but somehow most of you ignored that. (By the way, the lynch was not an accident. it was Guyett – therefore I have some major town reads on him anyway.)

As for Chevre's walls, they indeed were to give us a headache. They were "so-called-answers-for-random-selected-bits" or how can I explain that.


VOTE: Antihero – not only because of the start of Day2 with that "less-than-1-minute-reply". I find your recent posts scummy too (an example has been given above). Plus, your crusade against accepting Don's opinion during Day2!

What I had disagreed with is his general support of the Chevre lynch. Scum motivation to bus Chevre D1 is almost nothing in my mind, unless scum overpushed Chevre D1 and wanted to bus for towncred or because the lynch was inevitable. I am trying to figure out the situation based on the votes right now. What you were describing in D2 was an action Chevre jumps off Chevre wagon, but I couldn't find the scum motivation for his push on Chevre, as Konowa is pointing out. If you can figure out why Anti did what he did D1 scum perspective your case would be totally valid.

[Guyett]

From my point of view.

Boonskiies (4):

Aneninen,

don_johnson

,

Misaka Network

, Konowa [L-3]

Super Mario

(2):

Jakuzure Nonon,

Reinoe

Chevre

(1):

startfromtheheart

Aneninen (1):

Super Mario

Reinoe

(1):

Boonskiies

Jakuzure Nonon (1):

chaoslord54

evilpacman13 (1):

Chevre

Not Voting

: BroodKingEXE, evilpacman18

Boonskiies (4):

Aneninen,

don_johnson

,

Misaka Network

, Konowa [L-3]

Super Mario

(2):

Jakuzure Nonon,

Reinoe

Chevre

(1):

startfromtheheart

Aneninen (1):

Super Mario

Konowa (1):

Boonskiies

Jakuzure Nonon (1):

chaoslord54

evilpacman13 (1):

Chevre

Not Voting

: BroodKingEXE, evilpacman18

Either Boon is scum or scum are on that wagon already

evilpacman18 (5):

Guyett

,

Misaka Network, reinoe,

Antihero, Konowa [L-2]

reinoe

(2):

Chevre

, Aneninen

Chevre (2):

Boonskiies,

don_johnson

Antihero (1):

chaoslord54

Not Voting

: BroodKingEXE, evilpacman18, startfromtheheart

This makes me think EPM is town btw and was a counter wagon

Looking at D1

Those first 2 VC's would indicate that Boon/Cheery is scum or either one or maybe both of Konowa or Anen are scum.

third VC happens after the first Chevre wagon builds up. I suspect EPM is prob town here due to the Chevre scum flip. Means either one or both Konowa and Anti are prob scum.

[evilpacman18]

It would be hilarious if Anti is scum cuz I called that without reading but I'd prefer this first

vote: Konowa

[chaoslord54]

Vote: Konowa

He's been ignoring my posts and his arguments against me just seem like somebody desperately trying to push the focus on someone else because they know they're a sinking ship. Will post more of my evidence on this point a little later.

[Konowa]

He's been ignoring my posts and his arguments against me just seem like somebody desperately trying to push the focus on someone else because they know they're a sinking ship. Will post more of my evidence on this point a little later.

More of that manipulative bullshit.

What am I ignoring? That I wouldn't answer your question that I already talked about? Your opening play this day was manipulative due to the whole "Anen is town because he didn't visit anyone thus Anti is scum". You tried to take "results" and forced a really bad conclusion. But if you were actually reading, you would have known that I already said this earlier.
How was my case against you "trying to push focus because I'm a sinking ship"? The jump from post #1005 to post #1048 is more indicative of this than anything else. You see Guy and EPM talk about me being scum and you hop on it like a fat kid to cake.

Get lynched.