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Post Post #1100 (ISO) » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:41 pm

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Guyett wrote:Chaos was on the lynch wagon...
But you're saying scum team is {Chevre, EPM, CHaos} and none of them were on the 2 leading wagons and none of them decided to bus until the very last minute?


Indeed. He was there. My bad.
I even pointed it out in my spoiler above and noted the very same thing about Chaos.
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Post Post #1101 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:33 am

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sorry about the inactivity. been a little busy lately.
i will be v/la until tuesday.
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Post Post #1102 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:21 am

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Aneninen wrote:CheeryDog (previously Boonskiies)
Towntells: Boon was the first name on the Chevre wagon. Cheery was away from the Misaka wagon. In general, his posts are not essentially scummy.
Stumtells: 1007: he says that I'm rolefishing and doesn't answer my question about it later. (Indeed I was rolefishing BUT the scum side, not the town side!) General inactivity about scumhunting (though, this plus not voting in the end of Day2 might be an ignorance-read too).
Others: Boon's early posts may be newb-tells. He failed to catchup later, that might be a null.
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Post Post #1103 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:39 am

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Official Vote Count


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evilpacman18, chaoslord54
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: Antihero, BroodKingEXE, startfromtheheart

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Post Post #1104 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:19 am

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Cheery Dog:
Scum tracker? Scum miller? No way.
And I just don't think chaos has the gall to fake claim.
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Post Post #1105 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:55 am

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half of me wants to say EPM, guyett

the other half is like dude, it's anti-konowa

am i stupid

yeah i think i am

sorry ill try to catch up when im not mobile and unproductive

oh and my third half feels like chaos is scum, but then the fourth half feels like chaos isnt scum but is being setup as an easy mislynch

so there's that

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Post Post #1106 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:36 am

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Why do you thijk im scum exactly bert?
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Post Post #1107 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:36 am

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Why do you thijk im scum exactly bert?
I think a lot about meteors. The purity of them. Boom! The end. Start again. The world made clean for the new man to rebuild.
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Post Post #1108 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:37 am

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Lol doubke post
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Post Post #1109 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:51 am

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Idk

Too good and on-point to be town guyitt
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Post Post #1110 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:11 am

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?
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Post Post #1111 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:19 pm

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evilpacman18 wrote:Scum tracker? Scum miller? No way.And I just don't think chaos has the gall to fake claim.

Why not? His soft D1 was pretty sudden and seemed like he wanted to get it out there. reinoe even linked a game where their scum team won in part due to a fakeclaim. His play also hasn't been town as I believe I've pointed out.

BroodKingEXE wrote:I agree with EPM that that kind of a setup doesn't sound right. I haven't played a closed game on MS, so I don't really know if mods usually put red herrings in the roles. Tracker and miller doesn't make sense, because tracker+cop is OP imo. You don't have a miller without a cop otherwise it's a useless role

Without a massclaim, it's hard to conclude this. As I said earlier, scum might be underpowered and a miller was added to the setup to balance it.

startfromtheheart wrote:IdkToo good and on-point to be town guyitt

What does this mean?
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without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better,
and not the world about them?
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Post Post #1112 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:21 pm

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Konowa wrote:
evilpacman18 wrote:Scum tracker? Scum miller? No way.And I just don't think chaos has the gall to fake claim.

Why not? His soft D1 was pretty sudden and seemed like he wanted to get it out there. reinoe even linked a game where their scum team won in part due to a fakeclaim. His play also hasn't been town as I believe I've pointed out.

BroodKingEXE wrote:I agree with EPM that that kind of a setup doesn't sound right. I haven't played a closed game on MS, so I don't really know if mods usually put red herrings in the roles. Tracker and miller doesn't make sense, because tracker+cop is OP imo. You don't have a miller without a cop otherwise it's a useless role

Without a massclaim, it's hard to conclude this. As I said earlier, scum might be underpowered and a miller was added to the setup to balance it.

startfromtheheart wrote:IdkToo good and on-point to be town guyitt

What does this mean?

If I assumed all the roles in this game existed, town would have a cop, tracker and a jk. That is way too powerful. Usually a player will have like 2 really townie reads, a couple more townie reads and some other ones he might check. That just eliminates scum way too quickly. If there is a cop, they should claim so we can confirm that a miller's existence is valid. They should not claim today unless Konowa's lynch looks inevitable though. If Konowa survives to D4 it might be a good time for a cop to claim too, if they have at least 2-3 interesting good or results (ie not a bunch of dead players).
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Post Post #1113 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:27 pm

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startfromtheheart wrote:half of me wants to say EPM, guyett

the other half is like dude, it's anti-konowa

am i stupid

yeah i think i am

sorry ill try to catch up when im not mobile and unproductive

oh and my third half feels like chaos is scum, but then the fourth half feels like chaos isnt scum but is being setup as an easy mislynch

so there's that

my reads are in flux until i read the game

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Bert is literally sheeping the events of the whole damn thread. He hasn't given me a full reads list as I asked. Bert wake up. VOTE: Bert
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Post Post #1114 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:31 pm

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Haha the image didn't load. It was super big anyway.
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Post Post #1115 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:36 pm

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As of now, I think the town plan should be lynch Bert, lynch Konowa if a cop doesn't claim tomorrow.
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Post Post #1116 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:01 pm

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Thank you for the vote

Finally someone is trying to wake me up from my lull

A few more and I should be golden. Unleash more votes

Also I won't be lynched today just so you know!
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Post Post #1117 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:04 pm

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Once I wake up, that is
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Post Post #1118 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:46 pm

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startfromtheheart wrote:Once I wake up, that is

Two weeks is more of a hibernation than a night's rest. Your reads right now reflect thread sentiments, but offer no actually analysis of your own. I mean even if you are busy, you're gut should be pinging something when you read a post.
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Post Post #1119 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:03 pm

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If I had the energy/drive to post and respond more, I would. I told you all I'm really flat-lined and yet oddly passive-aggressive-ish irritable which is really not normal for me. It's getting better but slowly, pain meds can take a hike forever, i swear, those are no joke

The more the attention is on me, the more I wake up. I told you all to put more votes on me like on D1 or D2 so that I would contribute more because zero contribution from me. better late than never. Carry on.

Yes, I'm stubborn. oh, and I'm a bodyguard. And I protected without even reading the game - i gave like 2 minutes look to ISOs with the recollection of someone mentioning a soft claim. i found the soft claim, and then - my choice was between don and chaos both nights (i thought gut-wise antihero looked like scum during night 1), and even though I started to doubt chaos starting Day 2, I bodyguarded chaos again Night 2. I'm usually pretty obvious as a PR so I don't even think my role really matters that much. If it weren't for that, don would probably still be here. And yeah, I have probably 3-4 games experience with don from back in the day and that's why I said he was a town leader even though people disagreed.

And yes, those in the dead QT are saying I'm playing terribly and have no reason to out.

That's true too, you can yell at me later lol. I've spent this game discussing theory and not being good at said theory.

tl;dr i am stupid for claiming. I still haven't read most of this game, and I don't even know when the drive will come, which is a shame etc. etc. etc. blah blah. ive waited like, a month now? but nothing

those that think having a BG and a JK is weird, well it is what it is and it may not make sense with the setup, but whatever.

I feel so blah. I tried to inspire myself to give more than a timid reaction with some energy, but none sorry. And I have no real reads, I'm not even trying to be intentionally scummy

whatever
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Post Post #1120 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:14 pm

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Also I wager that there's power On scums side to counter the JK etc

And if there were a tracker, scum would prevent the the trackers action if unable to kill said tracker

So chaos having real results is a huge red flag

VOTE: Chaos

Unless there's a ninja which would make sense
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Post Post #1121 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:11 pm

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evilpacman18 wrote:Cheery Dog:
Scum tracker? Scum miller? No way.

That doesn't answer my question.

Bert's new claim however kind of does.

BroodKingEXE wrote:
If I assumed all the roles in this game existed, town would have a cop, tracker and a jk. That is way too powerful. Usually a player will have like 2 really townie reads, a couple more townie reads and some other ones he might check. That just eliminates scum way too quickly. If there is a cop, they should claim so we can confirm that a miller's existence is valid. They should not claim today unless Konowa's lynch looks inevitable though. If Konowa survives to D4 it might be a good time for a cop to claim too, if they have at least 2-3 interesting good or results (ie not a bunch of dead players).

Let's see, does a cop always exist in a game with a miller?
Nope
Does a cop actually in anyway confirm a miller claim is true?
Nope.

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Post Post #1122 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:28 pm

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startfromtheheart wrote:Also I wager that there's power On scums side to counter the JK etc

And if there were a tracker, scum would prevent the the trackers action if unable to kill said tracker

So chaos having real results is a huge red flag

VOTE: Chaos

Unless there's a ninja which would make sense


Lol StartfromtheHeart, this isn't really a good argument to base a vote on me. Your vote comes from what seems to be a lot of assumptions
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Post Post #1123 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:31 pm

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Aneninen wrote:So, my reads with marks.
1 – very town
2 – lean town
3 – null, unsorted, unable to read or inconclusive
4 – lean scum
5 – very scum

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Towntells: Boon was the first name on the Chevre wagon. Cheery was away from the Misaka wagon. In general, his posts are not essentially scummy.
Stumtells: : he says that I'm rolefishing and doesn't answer my question about it later. (Indeed I was rolefishing BUT the scum side, not the town side!) General inactivity about scumhunting (though, this plus not voting in the end of Day2 might be an ignorance-read too).
Others: Boon's early posts may be newb-tells. He failed to catchup later, that might be a null.
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@Aneninen

If you look through other games EPM has been in, you might notice that his way of playing is the usual way he plays as town. The last game I was in with him he acted the same way, I can link the game if need be
Also, how are my posts coming off scummy? Your argument on why Konowa is town is a little lacking as well.

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Towntells: Early meta-reading (even if it's not too informative). His scumhunting seems to be genuine.
Scumtells: Not too much. However, he's given away merely 2 votes (both on Day2) so far, which is strange.
Others: As far as I see, he keeps asking questions and doesn't gets answers. Why?
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Towntells: First of all, his Tracker claim, if it's real. Sure it may be fake (see my previous post, this post or other players' posts about it) but one thing bothers me considering it fake. Why did he claim on Day2 with tracking Reinoe? Wouldn't it have been easier to wait for Day3? Eg. he could have chosen from more dead players to give away uninformative tracks... He voted on Chevre on Day 1. Even if he didn't give an explanation for that (as far as I saw) it would have made no sense if he were Chevre's partner.
Scumtells: His case on Reinoe on Day1 was shyt. His claim happened in an inappropriate moment, I think. (There was no wagon against him and he provided no info by that.) His jump on the Misaka wagon was awkward. : that's not true. Antihero used to lead a wagon against me but later he abandoned it. There would have been a better track than me, I suppose. What if he tries to buddy me? (Though I can't see any reason for that choice.)
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: Yes, that's it, BroodKing! I haven't wanted to talk about it but a Tracker+Cop+Miller setup would be imbalanced. Yet another thing which makes me think that Chaos's faking. (Why haven't I wanted to post about it? Call me a noob but I thought it would have been town-rolefishing.)
Others: The more I read his posts the more I think that he's scum. Still, what if we're wrong? We shouldn't lynch the Tracker in this case. How can I say, I wouldn't suggest lynching him today because the loss might be detrimental. Maybe tomorrow. Prove me if I'm wrong.
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Towntells: Not many. Contentless posts.
Scumtells: may be a soft defense on Chevre. (reading Reinoe who had been dead by then and admitting that it even confirms his truth in ) is very FoS. He was not on the Chevre wagon but was on the Misaka wagon. His recent turn against Konowa is another FoS. (He voted for him in and Chaos followed him in the next post. WTF?) about Konowa is bullshyt. His answer for my question in is the latest scumtell. Check out Cheery's answer later! There's a big difference between
why should he check a claimed role
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why should he check him if he knows he's scum
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Others: What do you think about a Chaos/EPM scumpair?
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Towntells: The Chevre wagon. He was the one who jumped off it
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, he had plenty of time and opportunities to leave that wagon earlier. I've already written about it. (And remember, I had also considered that a scumtell before I checked his vote pattern.)
Scumtells: Hammering Misaka. His sick case against me (plus, I still don't think that he was able to read my post and to respond it with a vote in one minute). His flip-flopping during Day2 (others were talking about that too).
Others: By ISO-ing him I've ignored his emotional posts. (I don't know whether it's a mistake.) As for him I'm at a loss. He's been pretty inactive Today, I wonder what his next posts will be.
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Guyett

Towntells: Pushing and hammering Chevre (regardless of that fake-hammer, I consider it as a null). I still don't understand why he voted on me (PoE?) but his vote for Misaka seems legit (that vote from Misaka in was awkward). : I like this (I've realized it just now, ISO-ing everyone.) In general, active scumhunting.
Scumtells: Not many. Maybe the fact that his Vote Analysis-es are long and either uninformative or I don't see the logic in them.
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Startfromtheheart

Towntells: Very little content but at least, some scumhunting and pointing out things like about Don in . Or eg. .
Stumtells: Not voting for Chevre and this post: makes no sense. Re-quoting his own random reads makes no sense as well if he's town.
Others: He's aware of his inactivity and "content-lessness". This, in itself is a null.
Mark
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Konowa

Towntells: Yes, an instant Miller claim is one of the possible gameplays. (Though, it can be faked of course.) His votes make sense in general. Mostly
Scumtells: However, sometimes his FoS-es are silly. (Eg. BroodKing).
Others: He claimed earlier Miller and Chaos claimed Tracker later. Chaos may also know that a Tracker+Miller+Cop setup could be broken (and a Miller without a Cop seems to be a bit "bastard" for me). So, there is a chance that the Miller claim is the fake one. Yet I think Chaos looks scummier. On the other hand, mislynching a Miller is not as bad as mislynching a Tracker. What do you all think?
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VOTE: EvilPacMan – I'm ready to switch to ChaosLord later. Arguments are in the spoiler.
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Post Post #1124 (ISO) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:32 pm

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Okay that's weird..My writing underneath this post disappeared >.<
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