Open 560: Tit for Tat (Game Over, 4/12 alive)

[Moonlight]

I don't see any benefit of scum claiming a PR as in twilight as the real pr wouldn't be stupid to cC then.

No, but a VT could fall for it and show it, helping scum figure it out through PoE.

Ergo, claiming VT as scum when you think you're gone is unreasonable. It clears neil for me.

VOTE: Mala

Purely because of the Elmo vs insanity thing. I wish I had something better, but I don't.

[notscience]

I've read all of 10 pages and know that's a bad wagon

[Malakittens]

Your logic radar is broken. People claim VT as scum when they are in danger or lynched. It's a fucking proven fact. So don't give me the garbage of I'm clearing Neil because he claimed VT. You're not Neil, in any situation you don't know what he'd do. Why I'm asking for meta so I can see what he is likely to do than sprew random bs like you are

[Not_Mafia]

I don't see any benefit of scum claiming a PR as in twilight as the real pr wouldn't be stupid to cC then.

No, but a VT could fall for it and show it, helping scum figure it out through PoE.

Ergo, claiming VT as scum when you think you're gone is unreasonable. It clears neil for me.

VOTE: Mala

Purely because of the Elmo vs insanity thing. I wish I had something better, but I don't.

This is a really bad vote, like terribad. Have you never seen someone twilight troll? And scum will claim VT if there's a chance their wagon disassembles, which there was here, claiming a PR outs a PR but also locks them in to a 1v1 they will lose like 90% of the time.

[Not_Mafia]

I don't see any benefit of scum claiming a PR as in twilight as the real pr wouldn't be stupid to cC then.

No, but a VT could fall for it and show it, helping scum figure it out through PoE.

Ergo, claiming VT as scum when you think you're gone is unreasonable. It clears neil for me.

VOTE: Mala

Purely because of the Elmo vs insanity thing. I wish I had something better, but I don't.

This is a really bad vote, like terribad. Have you never seen someone twilight troll? And scum will claim VT if there's a chance their wagon disassembles, which there was here, claiming a PR outs a PR but also locks them in to a 1v1 they will lose like 90% of the time.

[Moonlight]

@notty: Then point me to a better one. Every wagon looks bad from my point of view because I have no scumreads. >_<

@Mala: *sighs* No, it's not, but I forget that not everyone seeks to optimize their play. You're right, neil's not clear because I'm not in his head.

@N_M: Do you think neil realized he wasn't dead? I don't. Also, what I said to Mala.

[Not_Mafia]

Have you never seen someone twilight troll?

I know you rescinded him being clear but come on

[Moonlight]

If you check my first game on this site, scum fakeclaimed Tracker after getting lynched and trolled in twilight. It had purpose, an agenda, they killed the real Tracker next.

I have never seen scum troll without purpose, honestly.

[hephaestus]

I kind of agree with Moon on the neil thing. I don't see why he would claim VT or say I'm scum if he believed he'd been hammered and knew he was gonna flip scum. Also in Moon's defense, I also didn't think Not_Mafia was necessarily scum. Sure, the quickhammer doesn't make sense for a townie, but it makes even less sense for scum to do imho. I mean, basically all scum have to do in this game is sit back and wait for town to get lynched (sorry but nobody seemed to have a clue as to where to look for scum before this whole thing went down), so why would a mafioso give themselves away like that? It makes more sense for a townie to get fed up and go "fuck it" than for scum to throw away a game that's going pretty well for them.

[hephaestus]

And scum will claim VT if there's a chance their wagon disassembles, which there was here,

Not if neil thought he had been hammered..

[hephaestus]

Laugh at me if you'd like but, the paranoid conspiracy theorist in me says neil/Not_Mafia scum team and this whole thing was planned. Mostly because neil is still ringing alarm bells for me and you can notice him moving suspicion onto Moonlight as soon as Not_Mafia voted for him (Moon).

[hephaestus]

Speaking of which, neil has been sheeping Not_Mafia ever since he took the slot

[neil1113]

Not_Mafia:

I've played 35 games on this site over a period of 6 years.. (that I tracked and have links to. I may have forgotten a couple.) I change my meta with every game I play, on purpose. Specifically as scum too. Good luck trying to meta me. (P.S. I'm not entirely sure the answer to your question, but I wouldn't be surprised. I've fake claimed PR's as town, so I've probably done it as scum.)

Hephaestus: That's fucking insulting. Look through any of my 35 games on here, and tell me one fucking example of me "sheeping" as scum. I'm not a fucking newbie, I don't fucking sheep people. I have my own reads and do my own thing, and I fucking resent being looked at like a kid with no balls looking up to an older kid hoping to be as cool as he is. Fuck. You.

[Moonlight]

Laugh at me if you'd like but, the paranoid conspiracy theorist in me says neil/Not_Mafia scum team and this whole thing was planned. Mostly because neil is still ringing alarm bells for me and you can notice him moving suspicion onto Moonlight as soon as Not_Mafia voted for him (Moon).

Well, you provided the counter argument to that in a previous post:

all scum have to do in this game is sit back and wait for town to get lynched

N_M could have done it for the towncred as scum, but he didn't need to exactly.

However, what you said about neil is better than what I've got on Mala. I've got to consider that he stopped trying his best once he thought he was dead.

VOTE: neil

L-1, again.

PEdit:

I change my meta with every game I play, on purpose. Specifically as scum too. Good luck trying to meta me.

Look through any of my 35 games on here, and tell me one fucking example of me "sheeping" as scum.

Does not compute. ?_?

[neil1113]

Laugh at me if you'd like but, the paranoid conspiracy theorist in me says neil/Not_Mafia scum team and this whole thing was planned. Mostly because neil is still ringing alarm bells for me and you can notice him moving suspicion onto Moonlight as soon as Not_Mafia voted for him (Moon).

Well, you provided the counter argument to that in a previous post:

all scum have to do in this game is sit back and wait for town to get lynched

N_M could have done it for the towncred as scum, but he didn't need to exactly.

However, what you said about neil is better than what I've got on Mala. I've got to consider that he stopped trying his best once he thought he was dead.

VOTE: neil

L-1, again.

PEdit:

I change my meta with every game I play, on purpose. Specifically as scum too. Good luck trying to meta me.

Look through any of my 35 games on here, and tell me one fucking example of me "sheeping" as scum.

Does not compute. ?_?

... what?

[Moonlight]

You said you change your meta with every game you play. You cannot then ask someone to check your games for something particular.

[neil1113]

You said you change your meta with every game you play. You cannot then ask someone to check your games for something particular.

Are you... stupid?

There are two questions, given two answers. Separate answers. *sigh*

There is one thing telling that is exempt from meta. If somebody doesn't do it in 35 games, why the FUCK would you assume they'd start now?

The unintelligence here is astounding. I don't remember you being this dense.

VOTE: Moonlight

And if anyone reading this does NOT see why Moon is scum, then just fucking hammer me. When I flip, lynch his ass. Period.

Thanks and good game.

[hephaestus]

Hahaha someone just hammer neil pls

[Moonlight]

If somebody doesn't do it in 35 games, why the FUCK would you assume they'd start now?

From the wiki:

Meta, short for metagame, is a term for the knowledge of how a player or moderator will act based on previous experience.

And you said you change yours every game. By definition, you have no meta.

Boy, I finally feel good about my vote!

[neil1113]

Hahaha someone just hammer neil pls

If somebody doesn't do it in 35 games, why the FUCK would you assume they'd start now?

From the wiki:

Meta, short for metagame, is a term for the knowledge of how a player or moderator will act based on previous experience.

And you said you change yours every game. By definition, you have no meta.

Boy, I finally feel good about my vote!

I can't wait...

Vote: Neil

[Moonlight]

I kind of want to think that someone with as many games as neil that can change their meta on the fly won't self-hammer as Town, but I'd risk my faith in humanity.

So instead, I'll do a Kirby dance, which I've never done before as either alignment. I can change my meta too!

[neil1113]

Moon is so scum lol, it's hilarious.

VOTE: Moonlight
VOTE: Moonlight
VOTE: Moonlight

Great try though. Your today's lynch. And if someone is stupid enough to hammer me when I'm fairly obvious town, then you'll be tomorrow's lynch. Either way, you're scum, and you're exposed one way or another. I'm good with either one.

[Not_Mafia]

Erm, you do realise you self hammered?

[neil1113]

This is boring

Vote: Neil

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Not according to this.

Though I enjoyed watching Moon's rejoicing of getting rid of a townie. Purely a scum response. Which confirms my idea that Moon is scum.

[Not_Mafia]

My vote wasn't counted because they have to be at the start of the line. Bold tag votes are counted.