The Wire Season 1 Mafia: Baltimore Police and Omar Victory!

[POWERFUL TOWNIE]

Por qué

[zMuffinMan]

do you think that was a slip, ap?

No it obviously wasn't, don't be coy.

do you think titus believes it's a slip?

[mastin2]

I have returned from being the horrible, horrible person I actually am to briefly pretend to be a better one by coming here and playing.

Anybody scumreading muffin after this post is bad at mafia.

Yeah, was thinking that, too.

sorry slandaar, your reads are flawed. I'm town so one of those on your town list most likely isn't
it hurts bud i know

This is an excellent lynch candidate as well.

Agreed.

vezokpiraka
Dr. Pants - disagree mildly
Slandaar
SexyDudes
TheGottemer
BBMolla

zMuffinman - move muffin up
ActionDan
MessiahComplex - disagree mildly, plausible scum

Titus - town, move this up.
Jackal/Adrien
Muki/Anatole

Xisiquomelir
SKOT

Something like this.

Sure, I can roll with these.

[mastin2]

Mastin if I were to tell you BBT was not quoting his character in his first post, he was quoting my character, does your opinion on him change?

Probably not.
Slot's Titus, now, anyway.

Honestly, Vezok discussion is pretty boring, since I'm just kinda assuming he's town at this point.

[mastin2]

and there's no explanation given for how mastin went from town to null other than her being alive (after he docced her) makes him feel weird

There was no missing kill.
Thus, I was not scumkilled.
Thus, vezok's concern after doccing me is valid.

You'd have a point if vezok said this after a failed kill.
But he didn't.

Point invalid.

[Titus]

do you think that was a slip, ap?

No it obviously wasn't, don't be coy.

do you think titus believes it's a slip?

I will just answer that. I do believe it is a slip.

[Titus]

Vote: Titus

Last refuge of desperate scum.

[zMuffinMan]

yeah

you're scum

[TheAdrienC]

It looked like a slip to me. And there was some speculation about that slot awhile back. I still think my vote is on the right person, but I would be okay with Muffin being lynched too.

[mastin2]

RSD, what's your case on Mastin and SKOT?

Mastin isn't interacting with me or Venmar, which is

really

fucking weird.

Meh.

That's literally the only thing I have to say. It's like a perfect description of how I feel about the prospect. Like, I try to find other words, something else to say, like this paragraph basically is, elaborating and thinking about my feelings in other terms, but that word is a 100% perfect, entire, succinct summary of how I feel to the point where I can't say anything else because anything else is less accurate a description. Just Meh.

AP knows I'm town; zMuffinman (his alignment regardless) knows I'm town. Neither even started in the game, nor were expected to join this game (I certainly didn't ask them), so it's not even like I could have tailored my play to them.

SKOT caught our attention with the Sala gambit, and has continued to opportunistically hop and make really awkward looking posts.

You'll note I'm more than happy to lynch SKOT, by the way.

[mastin2]

Can someone who think Dr. Pants is town give me a case for it?
He seems like a popular townread but Im not seeing it exactly.

Well aside from the softclaim, there was the whole way Pants handled Salamance, and the way Pants handled DGB, and overall pushes and presence in the game. Just has seemed town, trying to figure out the game, entire time.

[mastin2]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The only point I'm convinced by is the vezok slot's night actions not reconciling with reads, but that's already been said 100 times.
Slardar, your response to my suspecting you was valid - I don't really have a follow-up. It makes me uncomfortable that you're more or less Presumed Innocent but I think that was the extent of my suspicions.
I'm not super helpful with so many players and so few lynches.
VOTE: Vezok

Good

god

, this is scum.

[Titus]

It looked like a slip to me. And there was some speculation about that slot awhile back. I still think my vote is on the right person, but I would be okay with Muffin being lynched too.

This is scum with Muffin. Gee, yeah I am utterly convinced Muffin is scum but I'll keep my vote on this other guy.

[Titus]

do you think that was a slip, ap?

No it obviously wasn't, don't be coy.

Totally was. I would bet my game life on it being a slip or a horrible gambit. Zmuffin doean't gambit in games I have played with him in.

[mastin2]

The wiki on traitors...

Spoiler:

Hey, Xisi.
I'm a Normal Reviewer.
The NRG are working on the Traitor role.
I know it better than most people.
There are more variations than you think.
The mafia can be told the traitor's identity.

This, AND ONLY THIS, version would allow us to 100% be able to scumhunt off of DGB interactions.

The mafia can be told there is a traitor in the game, but not who the traitor is.
The mafia can be told nothing about the traitor.
The traitor can be told who the mafia are.
The traitor can be told nothing about the mafia.
The traitor can be recruited.
The traitor can be killed.

So there are 3.5 variables: mafia knowledge, traitor knowledge, and kill/recruit (these can be separate: mafia recruiters, for instance).

None of these are exclusive.

The appeal to authority is gratuitous. Being in an uninformed majority is what the game is predicated on, and I have to make the best decisions I can with what information I have. Your hastening to respond to every point with dismissal rather than engagement is making me feel that my decision is highly sound.

For someone claiming I'm evading.
This is an awful big evasion.
I was not dismissive.
I was stating facts.
Your response to said facts is a dismissive "I can only do the best I can".

1) Why were you so highly insistent yesterday that the neighbourhood contained zero scum?

Because I was sure DGB was town and that both the other members of the neighborhood were town and I am a strong believer in the meta nowadays being three town neighbors rather than two town and a scum.

2) Why are you hastening to avoid having to acknowledge your own prior stance?

Done no such thing. I've acknowledged a stance I've held. I've also insisted said stance is no longer relevant, given that it's been proven wrong. It either was alignment-indicative or it wasn't, but going down the tangent about the stance is not productive since there's nothing to be gained from the elaboration. It's just me going into detail about something I quite clearly believed.

4) How is it not valid to query your positions and reasoning for those positions when they are proven to be erroneous?

Because they're on things that aren't relevant. Erroneous read, sure, yeah. But aside from a specific version of the traitor role, my alignment regardless, I wouldn't have known DGB was a traitor thus the erroneous read would not be alignment-indicative. And let's say it was. Then it'd be the reasons behind my townread that you'd be questioning, which didn't revolve around the neighborhood, but rather, the way DGB was acting. Basically, you're focusing on the part of the read that holds not relevance (my stance on the neighborhood) rather than the only part that could POSSIBLY be alignment-relevant (my stance on DGB).

My post:

-I didn't think bookitty was scum. I am slightly perturbed that muffin's push on me doesn't involve interacting with me, but

I'm not

in a

rush

to fling rope in that direction
-No one should cc vezok's claim, and the claim itself is peculiarly early. I guess this is lynchable but I would far prefer mastin

Is still saying exactly what I said it was. You said you are not in a rush to lynch zMuffinman. That implies, however, that you can. "Not in a rush" = "will lynch, but not before others". You said you'd prefer not to lynch either, but you also said you'd be willing to lynch either.

[mastin2]

Muffin what the hell are you doing

Trolling, and those voting him for it are idiots.
His trolling is at absolute worst null.
And that post was, 100%, completely, entirely, obviously to its very core, trolling, not a slip.

[ActionDan]

and there's no explanation given for how mastin went from town to null other than her being alive (after he docced her) makes him feel weird

There was no missing kill.
Thus, I was not scumkilled.
Thus, vezok's concern after doccing me is valid.

You'd have a point if vezok said this after a failed kill.
But he didn't.

Point invalid.

This point is not the main one, namely the concern that you were still "alive" after doccing you said before he claimed to be a doctor. It may have suggested that he fabricated a town read on you previously and claimed you as a doc target instinctively

[mastin2]

Slandaar
vezokpiraka
SexyDudes
TheGottemer
Dr. Pants
zMuffinman
BBMolla

ActionDan
Titus
MessiahComplex

Muki/Anatole
Jackal/Adrien
Xisiquomelir
SKOT

Updated readslist. Anatole/Adrien are interchangeable, though.

[Messiah Complex]

This point is not the main one, namely the concern that you were still "alive" after doccing you said before he claimed to be a doctor. It may have suggested that he fabricated a town read on you previously and claimed you as a doc target instinctively

dan gets it

[Messiah Complex]

@ mastin: why the fuck are we still null? and why are you assuming vezok is town?

[mastin2]

This point is not the main one, namely the concern that you were still "alive" after doccing you said before he claimed to be a doctor. It may have suggested that he fabricated a town read on you previously and claimed you as a doc target instinctively

I don't see how this is a point.

Vezok, just replaced in, blind-docced me, since it seemed like a good idea at the time.
I didn't die.
There was a scum nightkill.
Thus I wasn't targeted.
Vezok was expecting me to be targeted by the scum either N1 or N2.
Since that apparently isn't the case as Messiah was the N1 protect, Vezok is concerned that I haven't been targeted by a scum nightkill.

Problem in here is...where?

[mastin2]

@ mastin: why the fuck are we still null? and why are you assuming vezok is town?

Who said you were null? That's a lesser town list. Frankly, as is, I already have one too many scumread. As for vezok...because the case against vezok is (pardon the language) absolute crap?

[vezokpiraka]

If anyone actually believes zmuffin will ever slip you are pretty dumb.
Check dangan ronpa mini for another fresh example of zmuffin trolling.

[Dr Pants]

well having a scum read on muffin/bookitty for the past 2 days counts more than whether or not muffin is likely to slip

[Slandaar]

Is the deadline tomorrow AM or PM?