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[Perpetual Nonsense]

I'm going to assume Thor had a bunch of no visit results, that probably would hurt town more then anything at this point that's why there was no claim. Or polarity effects his role as well.

This depends. Not claiming a visit could be Thor being cognizant of potentially outting a PR.

There was no way in my mind thor was actually going to get lynched, right up until scum derphammered him. He was obv town to me, and seemed likely to be a power role as well. I decided my wifom mattered more than him getting outed.

Why did you think he was obv town? The Collective thought a lynch seemed really likely when the wagon took off like a rocket.

@DGB: Both The Collective and the starving Herons haven't read the game. Do you need fish?

Summer is wrapping up, so please anticipate The Collective working out its bugs in anticipation of the next release, set for 11/11/2015 at 11:59:59 PM EST.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

locked people all being town really does point to jordan-town tho

My issue is him saying he does not know how to use his role to his advantage, and instead is sending coins spinning with the RNG picks for locking people.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

ho'd want to govern Thor? I would have let him sink.

The Collective's Thor vote was not a result of reading his posts in depth with a fine toothed comb.

Fear of him monopolizing the game as scum with righteous indignation is very real. Having a player like him survive late into the game put The Collective on edge. He's not the type of player to expose himself later.

[DrippingGoofball]

Perpetual Nonsense is only defensive and is not looking for scum. This last bit has been his MO all game. His coat of arms says "NO LOOKING FOR SCUM" in latin.

Multo labore sudatum est, non quaeritis

[Perpetual Nonsense]

You can twist The Collective's words however you please.

Your interpreting skills need serious revamping.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Look at DGB's last posts. Too narrow-minded.

Perpetual Nonsense is only defensive and is not looking for scum. This last bit has been his MO all game. His coat of arms says "NO LOOKING FOR SCUM" in latin.

Multo labore sudatum est, non quaeritis

Perpetual Nonsense seems more scummy than Saki, to me. At least Saki put in effort to explain himself (even if I don't agree with his premise) and what he was trying to accomplish.

What is there to explain?

Said the lazy dark-locked goon.

locked VTs have happened

Your'e right

Let's lynch Perpetual Nonsense anyway.

I think you're a dark-locked something else.

I'm a vanilla townie and I'm not locked.

Why would a vanilla townie be locked?

Yeah I think so too

Let's lynch Perpetual Nonsense.

A few thoughts. Why has no one called us out on wagon hopping? Why would polarity locking be anti-town?

never mind that

I realize we caught you for the wrong reasons

Thanks for trying to set us straight

LOL

Next Topic:

I've got nothing.

LYNCH THIS THING

Perpetual Nonsense is scum, good to know.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

your sudden tunnel makes sense as scum is to distract us from Xay or Jordan.

It's the timing that is not spicy

[TiphaineDeath]

Are you kidding me? Thor is a very good player, and I had a strong townread on him, I rather assumed he'd talk his way out of it. Da herp, le derp.

[TiphaineDeath]

And you still haven't answered my question.

VOTE: PN

[Bulbazak]

Field Polarity:

Dark

Vote Count

Saki (0):
PeregrineV (0):
TiphaineDeath (0):
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (0):
Perpetual Nonsense (4): Jordan_Downey, DrippingGoofball, Jon_h61, TiphaineDeath
Jon_h61 (0):
Xayzeck (0):
DrippingGoofball (0):
Jordan_Downey (3): Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Perpetual Nonsense, PeregrineV
RachMarie (0):

Not Voting (3): Saki, Xayzeck, RachMarie

It is day 5. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends on Sunday, August 24 at 11:30pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-08-24 23:30:00).

PeregrineV is V/LA until Tuesday, August 19.

[Bulbazak]

Prodding Sharpest-knife-on-tree.

[jon_h61]

The TL;DR version

PN Scum-ish
PV Town
TD Town-ish
Rach Scum-ish
SKOT Town
Xay Scum
DGB Town
Jordan Null-scum
Saki Null-Town

post 3299 Fear of him monopolizing the game as scum with righteous indignation is very real. Having a player like him survive late into the game put The Collective on edge. He's not the type of player to expose himself later.

This was a real fear that I had, and it's bad that we fall into traps like this, but it's all part of the

game

.

I'd really like more feedback on what people think of Jordan's explanation of the use of his Power. Does it look made up, or does it look like honest recapping of previous actions?

This is where I stand right now.

I think PN

sounded

Townier, in his last sets of replies, as well as making me lol. I'm going to be looking more into this slot, putting them under more scrutiny. Right now I'm leaning a little more scum on them than Town. I've gotten a few good chuckles out of their posts, whatever their alignment.

PV is still my number one Town read. Take that with YMMV, one of my last games with Titus, I Town read her all the way to the win (hers, not ours).

Tipthaine isn't as strong a Town read as he was in earlier Days, but I'm not ready to call him scum. To be perfectly honest, I don't remember what made me downgrade my read a bit, too much Meat World in between the change and now.
I'll look back over his posts and let you know why I changed my read, and where I stand on it now,

probably

later tonight.

Rach, where are you? Please add more "where you stand" on slots with your observations. This is one of the big reasons I've been scum reading you since I first replaced in. Too much Information, and not enough analysis.

SKOT, I've just reread their ISO, and from based on where (and how) they've stood, I'm going to move them right under Peregrine in my Town list.

Xayzeck's scum, I'm willing to vote him if his wagon starts to roll.

DGB Town. A complete reversal on my Necro read. I asked repeatedly for Necro to come back to the game. My read reversal is for reasons.

Jordan I'm still having a hard time envisioning his PR as a Town PR. Without another PR to compliment it, it looks like a scum PR. The question is, why would he say he was a Polarity Locker if he

was

scum? I'm swingy on this slot.

Saki's still almost a flip of a coin, but, Saki, could you explain your Post 3356? How do you see Jordan only using his Power on Town meaning that he's somehow Town for it? I'm not seeing the logic.

your sudden tunnel makes sense as scum is to distract us from Xay or Jordan.

Even though PN's an almost scum read, I'd still be willing to vote either of these, if they ever take off.

[jon_h61]

Yeah, I get where you're coming from, I wanted to do that with xay and realized I had no backing so I've kinda given that up for now.

I think we need to drum up enough votes to get this wagon going.

I noticed something, when I said Saki said Jordan used his PR on all Townies, I don't know if I misread something Saki said, or what. Titus was scum, so Jordan using his PR on all Town isn't true.

I went back and read Saki's 3356 and I still don't see his logic, but I'm not sure it makes him scum.

locked VTs have happened

So have Locked scum roles.

[jon_h61]

^ this wagon = Xayzeck

[TiphaineDeath]

Hey, people other than me and jon, what's your read on Xay?

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Explain to me exactly how the votes on you are opportunistic, I am dying to hear this one.

This question? The solid evidence of us lurking has existed since Day 2 or 1 or whenever we replaced in. We have been there for the taking this entire time. Why not then, and why now? It is not as if the players in this game have shown an unwillingness to lynch VI's.

I find it weird that the "evidence" suddenly spawned at this point, as if DragonGoofball and whomever the other person is just suddenly had this "WOAH, OPPORTUNISTIC VOTER, THATS SCUM" pop into their head.

Look at it from our point of view. We see a wagon on Xay or Jordan/Jon forming, and it looks like a wagon is heading their way. Then DGB starts beating the drum for our lynch after coming into the game, without reading the game AND having just said that by VCA, we aren't the scummiest.

You have like two fucking votes on you, how is that "my lynch is going through," FFS.

I didn't say that, but I will vouch for my hydra buddy that while things were not unraveling, the momentum looked to be changing ever so slightly. You're constantly pushing for us to answer questions, which makes it seem like you're obviously desperate for something. What do you want from us? You suggested we were town due to VCA or the way wagons went as well. Was that just some strange corner case scenario (those VCA's)? How much stock do you put into those.

With that said, my main focus (Mini 1576) just ended, and this is now my priority.

My absolute and only big scumread right now is jon. Look at the premise of this read below. Tell me how a town player weighs a read on us like this.

This is where I stand right now.

I think PN sounded Townier, in his last sets of replies, as well as making me lol. I'm going to be looking more into this slot, putting them under more scrutiny. Right now I'm leaning a little more scum on them than Town. I've gotten a few good chuckles out of their posts, whatever their alignment.

Even though PN's an almost scum read, I'd still be willing to vote either of these, if they ever take off.

VOTE: Jon 61

[Perpetual Nonsense]

I'm a vanilla townie and I'm not locked.

Why would a vanilla townie be locked?

If you have a town mindset, how is a vanilla townie being locked to a polarity not even a remote possibility? You are clever enough to know that setups have variety, and as the beneficiary of how FakeGod's VisCon went where you were scum and townie PR's began lynching each other due to setup spec, this premise obviously starts with a fallacy.

I am giving this game my full attention so that I don't have regrets later of "why were we such limp lurksacks." If defending and garnering reactions is the only way I get into this game, so be it. I am reading, but not the first 100+ pages of the game. More like, mix and mingle through the last 5-10 pages and choo choo.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

DGB, twisting our words to fit your narrative of "blah blah blah what they said = scum" again and again...and again...

it's like you are trying to make what we're posting more scummy than it really is by painting it with "oh that's scum, oh that claim obviously means scum."

this merry-go-round, how is it productive? if you really think we are scum, you could be more pro-town in doing so

DGB Town. A complete reversal on my Necro read. I asked repeatedly for Necro to come back to the game. My read reversal is for reasons.

I genuinely hope you are not softclaiming a PR.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Why are you asking for a Xay counterwagon? TD, you're acting as if the counter case on me is compelling.

I'd really like more feedback on what people think of Jordan's explanation of the use of his Power. Does it look made up, or does it look like honest recapping of previous actions?

Jordan I'm still having a hard time envisioning his PR as a Town PR. Without another PR to compliment it, it looks like a scum PR. The question is, why would he say he was a Polarity Locker if he was scum? I'm swingy on this slot.

What is your feedback? You did a fantastic job of pushing reads like this over as "semi-scum" and staying way from displaying some legitimate edges about your reads on me and people like Jordan...

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Jon 61

He's conftown.

[DrippingGoofball]

Perpetual Nonsense is still not looking for scum.

Someone grease the noose.

[jon_h61]

I genuinely hope you are not softclaiming a PR.

No, I'm not

soft

claiming being a PR. But I

did

receive a PR, if that helps.

We can discuss it more tomorrow, if you'd like. It's about time for my alone time with Deb (my wife). If she don't get it, then all is not well in my world!

[TiphaineDeath]

I've been trying to get a xay wagon for forever and a half, but yes, the wagon on you, PN, has plenty of validity or I wouldn't be voting you. Though to be fair I am voting you more for recent reactions than anything else.

[Xayzeck]

I've been trying to get a xay wagon for forever and a half, but yes, the wagon on you, PN, has plenty of validity or I wouldn't be voting you. Though to be fair I am voting you more for recent reactions than anything else.

I too am surprised I haven't been lynched for not really doing anything

[Bulbazak]

Bump.