Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[Csareo]

He soft claims investigative power role, but refuses to spill it out.
Bullshit. Why are we wagoning Mafiassk, while ignoring the elephant in the roof.

For hell's sake, mafiassk lurks in everygame he's ever played in. Read his wiki page.

[Csareo]

Well, it isn't obvious to me. If it's so obvious, then there is no reason why he shouldn't tell us.
Is he afraid of being CC'd? Reckoner, I would just love to know what you think it is.

[mykonian]

It's

pretty fucking obvious

what he's claiming based on his belief of Matt's claim, the lack of a kill, and his insistence on voting SSK.

Enlighten me. Because I have no clue why he wouldn't tell us himself.

Why do you think TSO is faking? What does he have to gain at this point by faking as scum in an attempt to get SSK lynched, who's either his buddy or a guaranteed mislynch?

you are starting to sound awefully like farside here.

[MattP]

Lel

[Csareo]

Anatole, you seemed sure there were three scum earlier.
Why?

[MattP]

I love how mafia are left with the decision of choosing between myself and TSO for NK

Not that I want to provide them any help in their decision

[MattP]

Csareo is screaming SSK's scumbuddy.

[Csareo]

Irrelevant bargaining. There HAS to be a term for these things.
Closing in on ATE, but not quite there yet.

Saying your town doesn't actually make us believe you're town.

[Csareo]

Can you give me one good reason why TSO shouldn't claim?

[Csareo]

And I'm not buying that there is a connection between me and Mafiassk.
Apparently pushing a different wagon makes me his scumbuddy?

Can someone PLEASE explain the logic in that statement.

[mykonian]

I'll figure this out tomorrow.

Must be quite a coincidence that the three who got vezok yesterday star in this episode again. It stinks.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Anatole, you seemed sure there were three scum earlier.
Why?

15 players - if there are 4 scum we're fucked so I'm being optimistic I guess. 2 would be underpowered unless there's an SK which is not consistent with the night actions.

UNVOTE: SSK

If it's as obvious as you are acting, Reck, what would he lose from a claim?

[Csareo]

I was pretty comfortable being in a town bloc with farside and tso yesterday.
Fortunately, mafia has a way of making things *click* later into the game.

There is a lot of blind resistance to a TSO lynch. Reckoner and mattp have jumped in many times, offering no logic but a childish "you're stupid blah blah"

[T S O]

people who are good vote ssk
people who are bad vote me

lol

[T S O]

The only reason you're scumreading me is because of 1601, not because of my play here. Let's be honest, this moment where it "clicked" for you is utter bullshit.

[Anatole Kuragin]

It's

pretty fucking obvious

what he's claiming based on his belief of Matt's claim, the lack of a kill, and his insistence on voting SSK.

What does the lack of a kill have anything to do with his claim or matt's tracker claim?

[Csareo]

Why the hell wont you claim.
You say you have confscum, yet refuse to back up that claim.
If you're town, you'll be NK'd tonight, so there no reason why you shouldn't share now.

If you aren't killed tonight, after CLAIMING a PR, I'll be amazed. Unfortunately that gives you a chance to NK another one of us, doesn't it?

[Csareo]

He claims a PR when there is a suspected 3 scum alive. It is D3, and his PR gave him a conf read on mafiassk.
If he is town, he WILL die tonight. Why the hell wouldn't he full claim?

I'll tell you why. He's afraid of being CC'd.

[farside22]

And I'm not buying that there is a connection between me and Mafiassk.
Apparently pushing a different wagon makes me his scumbuddy?

Can someone PLEASE explain the logic in that statement.

I don't think your scum.
I also wonder why SSK doesn't come in and say anything, but then again he's not a prolific poster.
Also with 12 player starting there is typically 3 scum.
I've never seen 4 scum but I've seen 2 in a 12 player game.

If let's say tso is bussing, one scum still down. If SSK is town tso should be lynched. I just don't see the downfall

[Csareo]

If you're town, and not voting TSO, you're an idiot.
You just are. Never has a more evident scum slip been seen in my two years of playing, and I am hit with a stonewall of ignorance.

[Anatole Kuragin]

SSK hasn't posted this entire day so don't hold your breath

[Csareo]

And I'm not buying that there is a connection between me and Mafiassk.
Apparently pushing a different wagon makes me his scumbuddy?

Can someone PLEASE explain the logic in that statement.

I don't think your scum.
I also wonder why SSK doesn't come in and say anything, but then again he's not a prolific poster.
Also with 12 player starting there is typically 3 scum.
I've never seen 4 scum but I've seen 2 in a 12 player game.

If let's say tso is bussing, one scum still down. If SSK is town tso should be lynched. I just don't see the downfall

I don't even think he's bussing. This is what a mafia play would look like.
- Fake claim PR, conf scum read on mafiassk
- maffiassk gets lynched
- NK a town player
- TSO may die tommorow (dependent on whether or not he slimes his way out of it)
- NK townie
- Remaining scum push a mislynch
- Game over, mafia wins.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Anatole, you seemed sure there were three scum earlier.
Why?

15 players - if there are 4 scum we're fucked so I'm being optimistic I guess. 2 would be underpowered unless there's an SK which is not consistent with the night actions.

UNVOTE: SSK

If it's as obvious as you are acting, Reck, what would he lose from a claim?

It's

pretty fucking obvious

what he's claiming based on his belief of Matt's claim, the lack of a kill, and his insistence on voting SSK.

What does the lack of a kill have anything to do with his claim or matt's tracker claim?

Reck?

[Csareo]

And not every scum play is a good one, let's get that straight.
Stop looking at the logic of scum, and focus on the logic of town.
Why the hell would a townie claim a PR, and refuse to elaborate, full knowing that he'll be NK'd when his conf read is lynched?

[Csareo]

Look, I'm not going to go into detail, but there are other reasons I'm suspicious of TSO's soft claim.
Which is why he really needs to full claim (even without the additional information, the logic is still prevalent)