FitzOtter I (Game Over)

[Hostile Intent]

EBWODP: Is nothing but*

[droog]

Just wanted to guage your reaction, droog. I'm still wavering on wifom v you being scum.

i have no idea what this means
or if this is an answer to my question at all

[Bookitty]

If she knew these arguments were false (i.e. because she was town), this would account for her frustration and request for replacement.

Here's why I disagree.

If Farside was drawn into a one-vs-one with both Juls AND with DGB (and she was) then her arguments that they were scum would be evidently false when they flipped. This would leave her in a very vulnerable position as scum regardless of whether there was any wagon on her. Farside is a competent player imo and would see this vulnerability.

Also, Juls was pushing for a Hostile Intent lynch while fighting with Farside. This argues that she wasn't seeing Farside as scum, at least at first; that particular line of support would die with Juls.

Also, I'm horribly disgusted by the smutty turn this game has taken. I want to go on the record to say that I never saw such filth on the farm. :p

[Untrod Tripod]

Here's why I disagree.

If Farside was drawn into a one-vs-one with both Juls AND with DGB (and she was) then her arguments that they were scum would be evidently false when they flipped. This would leave her in a very vulnerable position as scum regardless of whether there was any wagon on her. Farside is a competent player imo and would see this vulnerability.

are you saying that farside quit on the game because she felt like she would have no way to win?

[Bookitty]

No. I think she quit on the game because she didn't want to be the first scum lynch.

You were in Oldy Mafia, Untrod Tripod. Why did she replace out there?

[droog]

i am fairly sure that someone overanalyzing the replace out
is scum

[Bookitty]

i am fairly sure that someone overanalyzing the replace out
is scum

Well, that was AurorusVox's argument originally. So that's who you think is scum?

[T-Bone]

Nice 180 after I called you scum HI

Sorry for my frustration. It's just that I finally get around to posting on what little time I have free to me and to see someone suggest that this is scum convenience is highly insulting. Regardless of alignment I would want to be posting more than I am able to.

I imagine they killed him because he was confirmed town or as close to it as we had

? Therefore also why abr should have been on him.

Vote: AV

I know we don't like this word, but this is a scumslip. Because scum are thinking in terms of who is confirmed town (or close to it) and who isn't, when deciding on who to kill, and who can be left alive to mislynch. AV using this language suggests to me that was the conversation he and his scumbuddies had about the Marky kill. Town wouldn't be thinking in this manner. We had no idea what Marky's alignment was before he got killed. For all we knew, he and Aegor were gambiting to confirm each other. But this statement more than anything suggests scum thinking.

A lot of the problems I had with ABR (and consequently you, Bookitty), is that ABR also blatantly acted with scum motives. He was more concerned with protecting himself and surviving more than anything else, hence his apparent choice on night 1 to protect me, someone who could be lynched and was probably not going to be killed. He (and you) contend that the UT choice was random, but still that was another slot who was almost lynched and if UT is town, from a scum perspective probably wouldn't have been killed. Yes, you've asked about it a couple of times (while I wasn't really here), but I'd like to know what player your slot chose to protect last night (not AV I can assume).

[T-Bone]

i am fairly sure that someone overanalyzing the replace out
is scum

Well, that was AurorusVox's argument originally. So that's who you think is scum?

But you just said the same thing, so what exactly are you trying to argue?

[droog]

i am fairly sure that someone overanalyzing the replace out
is scum

Well, that was AurorusVox's argument originally. So that's who you think is scum?

just that all this replace in replace out
isn't very effective scumhunting at all

id still rather go with HI by poe

[Bookitty]

Let's say that I accept that you're town, droog. Who do you think are the scums other than Hostile Intent, please?

[droog]

to be honest im still hopelessly confused

null on av because he hasnt impressed me but i dont accept the argument against him
null on kuribo because he gives me all the feeling of a dead fish

if i had to guess id bet on something in untrod/rampage

i think im forgetting something else lemme look

[AurorusVox]

Considering the possibility of double confTown in Aegor/Marky Mark.

Far from being a conversation originating in a scum QT, this is where I first stated that I felt there was a possibility in MM confTown.

If it had been all some hypothetical huge gambit, then the two players were directly tying their fates together. It seems particularly ballsy as if one of them ever was lynched, the other would immediately become the next lynch. I do not believe that is a valid or reasonable assumption to make. In that respect, MM was essentially confTown, and this is something that I happily stated IN THIS THREAD.

[Bookitty]

I didn't choose it; it was randomly chosen for me. ABR didn't submit people to protect for Night 2 or Night 3. I don't know why that is. I don't think my role is especially important for the town.

It happens to be someone I think is scum, though, so that's an issue for me.

The fact that three votes have built up on AV makes me pretty confident he's not scum, sadly enough for my theory. I haven't voted him because I believe we may be in MYLO; now I'm not going to vote him because I don't see why three townies would happily vote him 1-2-3 without more discussion in this situation.

[Hostile Intent]

Neither 1339 or 1345 mention that. At all. So that's new and, therefore, fabricated.

Its AV/droog for fucking sure.

[Bookitty]

And @AurorusVox: In the quote you posted, you were speculating AegorTown and MarkyMarkTown. I was responding to you 1) not thinking Aegor is conftown now and 2) criticising ABR for not protecting MarkyMark as conftown vs. not protecting Aegor as conftown?

To be fair, ABR didn't do either. No clue why, either.

[Bookitty]

It's worth noting that if not all the scum are on AurorusVox's wagon and he is town, we should find out pretty quick

[T-Bone]

I mean, I think both ABR pre-replacement and AV has shown clear scum thinking this game. The fact that Boo was leading the push on AV and is now hedging on it gives me a really bad feeling. It was Boo's own #1329 that highlighted the scum language in AV's post to me.

[Bookitty]

Do you think we are in MYLO, T-Bone?

If AV is town and I were scum, why would I not hammer him?

If AV is scum and I were scum, why would I have pushed this case in MYLO in the first place?

inb4 HI says WIFOM again

Seriously, there's no logic that could possibly lead you to believe I'm scum at this point, regardless of AV's alignment.

If there are three scum remaining, and anyone on the wagon isn't scum, I expect a hammer shortly.

[Bookitty]

Alternatively, if AV IS scum, no hammer would show us that pretty convincingly as well. I think.

[T-Bone]

When people say "there is no reason you should believe I am scum".....

[T-Bone]

Also he's at L-2, so you can't exactly hammer him right now. I really, really hate the hedging here. There's plenty of reasons why I can see you as scum, and I have stated as such.

[Bookitty]

When people say "there is no reason you should believe I am scum".....

That's not what I said. At least do me the courtesy of quoting before misrepping.

I gave logical reasons why I'm not scum. I didn't make some vague "OMG, there's no reason you should think I'm scum!" comment.

EBWOP: Meh, you're right. Okay, I retract my AV is probtown comments. I was sure it was seven players left and four to lynch, but I see that I left myself off my list.

[Bookitty]

@T-Bone:

What is your read on Droog?

[T-Bone]

It's not a misrep. You gave reasons that I should not think you are scum, but the problem with that is that A) you were hanging your hat on not hammering AV among other things B) your predecessor was really scummy and 1/5 of a day phase from you isn't going to change that C) you have spent all your time and energy saying that AV is probably scum, but have hedged on it. So there are plenty of reasons that I can think, and I do think, that make you scum. The only reason I have prioritized AV is because I truly think he slipped with his talk of scum killing off confirmed town, because that is the scum way to think about this game.

He's town.