Mini 1621: Frog Mafia (KERO)

[Garmr]

Seems odd that he'd claim toad if the toads are presumably the mafia. At the very least short sighted. Or that there'd be a role (frog) that knows another role is a toad when we could have two dead toads and it be obvious who the third is with that claim.

Also yeah, I am in this game. TBH, my level of activity is about what it normally has been the past few years. Inactivity isn't really a scumtell for me, if that's what you're implying, prohawk. Shea harangued me about it in the signup thread.

I'm going to head home, do some reading of waffle, and look at making a vote.

Well that frog that would of known died.

[GreyICE]

I'm back.

@GreyICe

- Why the Jackel vote?

Because I think he's town and want to offer him a friendly congratulations on the quality of his play. I'm voting him for best player in this game.

[GreyICE]

On a serious note, VDA's questions are shallow as fuck.

I mean I don't want to say I'm calling the scum team, but I did it in my last two games. Garmr can be the town day miller or some shit.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I was hoping for a serious response, GreyICE.

[GreyICE]

I was hoping for a competent scumteam to lock horns with.

But we can't always get what we want.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I'm incredibly competent, but alas I'm just not scum.

[GreyICE]

Well then, lets play a game.

What is the purpose of voting someone?

[VictorDeAngelo]

Sigh.

In case it wasn't clear (and perhaps I gave you too much credit on that front), why are you scum reading Jackel?

[Rumia x Cirno]

votecount 2.1

Jackel98 (4) - GreyICE, 2birds1stone, Garmr, Flubbernugget

Primate (1) - ProHawk

Not voting (10): Primate, VictorDeAngelo, Jackel98, massive, Total Wreck

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is November 29, 4:30 GMT-7 or in: (expired on 2014-11-29 16:30:00)

[GreyICE]

Sigh.

In case it wasn't clear (and perhaps I gave you too much credit on that front), why are you scum reading Jackel?

Like... have you read his ISO man? Have you read it?

It's this wasteland of belligerently doing nothing, until he gets voted then he lackadaisically votes for the shitty hydra.

Do you see any followup on his "scumreads"? He was strong on 2birds, now that seems to have slipped his mind. Had a gut scum read on Flubber, slipped his mind. Now dislikes Prohawk for some reason, is voting the wreckage hydra.

Come on, he's not even trying to find scum, he's just putting votes on wagons he thinks might move forward.

[GreyICE]

Nevermind lurking the fuck out of the waffle lynch.

[GreyICE]

See, when you actually have to ask the question "why do you think he's scum" it naturally raises the opposite number, which is "why the hell do you think he's town, VDA?"

And I want this on record. Is he a town read or not?

[VictorDeAngelo]

I kinda think he might be town. The wagon on him has grown too quickly and I'm pretty sure there's scum on it.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I mean, don't get me wrong his play has been shitty, but I'm getting weak player more than scum.

[GreyICE]

That's your reasoning? That the wagon on him has grown too quickly, and "there might be scum on it?"

Whose the scum, VGA? Who are the scum?

Defending Jackal's play based on the wagon is complete bullshit, and I'm calling you on it.

PEdit:

Unvote

Vote: VDA

[VictorDeAngelo]

That's your reasoning? That the wagon on him has grown too quickly, and "there might be scum on it?"

Actually to clarify, I'm certain there's scum on it.

Whose the scum, VGA? Who are the scum?

I think Garmr is town. There's one, if not two, scum among you, 2birds and Flubber.

[GreyICE]

So your town read is Garmr. Y'know, the guy who Bookitty said about "I think this guy is scum" and then flipped when she had a role that KILLED HER IF SHE TARGETED TOWN. And you think he's town.

So your town read is the guy who is MOTHERFUCKING CONFIRMED TOWN?

And scum is in the other three?

Holy FUCK I like this vote.

[VictorDeAngelo]

So your town read is Garmr. Y'know, the guy who Bookitty said about "I think this guy is scum" and then flipped when she had a role that KILLED HER IF SHE TARGETED TOWN. And you think he's town.

So your town read is the guy who is MOTHERFUCKING CONFIRMED TOWN?

He's not necessary confirmed town, but it's pretty likely. I thought as much yesterday actually.

[GreyICE]

/headdesk

VDA, even if there's some sort of serial killer (something I find unlikely, they don't tend to show up in games with town roles who off themselves) and either the scum or the SK shot Bookitty, she's still "Strong-Willed" and Garmr would be dead TOO if he were scum. I don't have to like his play, but he is fucking obviously confirmed town unless the biggest joke of role clusterfucks ever happened N1 or Bookitty is a bad player (spoiler: she's not).

Elaborate on the SCUMREAD portion of that, VDA. You are making all these big pronouncements, "scum is on the wagon," "well he's probably just a bad town player", etc.

Yeah, you know the easiest way to figure out someone who is playing just like scum is actually town? To get a fucking role PM that says "you are scum, X and Y are your partners". Then it's really easy to read those players.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Why did your mind jump to serial killer GreyICE?

[VictorDeAngelo]

As for scumreads, well you, 2birds and Flubber have all played scummier than Jackel IMO. And derpy doesn't always mean scum. Have you played with Jackel before GreyICE?

[Garmr]

@grey and vic

That's your reasoning? That the wagon on him has grown too quickly, and "there might be scum on it?"

Actually to clarify, I'm certain there's scum on it.

Whose the scum, VGA? Who are the scum?

I think Garmr is town. There's one, if not two, scum among you, 2birds and

Flubber.

Sorry to interrpt

Well I think there is scum in that list and I Bolded it. Look at flubbers vote it's like a bus. He dropped his vote on me as soon the wagon picked up. People have criticized him for not voting his scum buddy yesterday even through he was scum reading him. So I have a feeling he jumped on this wagon to try and look better. His shift from me to jackel is unnatural. I was a surefire scum read and yet when i mentioned a slip from someone he moved to them with even being suspicious of me.

This is flubbers scum game.

Now I'm quite willing to do a wagon on flubber or jackel as I think both may be scum. Can anyone actually name town actions that flubber has actually done?

[GreyICE]

Why did your mind jump to serial killer GreyICE?

Do you like taking my words out of context all the time, VDA? You were saying that Garmr was not confirmed town. I was pointing out that even in the most unlikely of scenarios, he was most certainly confirmed town.

Do you just lie for fun, or is there an agenda here?

[2birds1stone]

Garmr, I had Flubber down as town for his lengthy joke post about being Grey's buddy. Having said that, it's a fairly weak tell against a player I've never met before; how sure are you about scum!Flubber?

Jackel is still my favourite wagon for the time being.

I hate to say it, but if Victor was bussing, he was bussing fantastically hardcore; I think he's based entirely on that.

If we want to play the "using flavour to hunt for scum" game (which is kind of a dumb game, but whatever), I don't think claiming toad means claiming scum. In the dialogue surrounding Waffle's flip, he was fairly specifically scum specifically for not being "a real toad" (i.e., he was an anthropomorphic mushroom, not an amphibian).

Jackel's still scum, mind, just not because of his neighbour claim.

[2birds1stone]

EBWOP: I think he's town based entirely on that