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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:09 am

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@ I AM GROOT - what happens if you forget your post restriction?

Can everyone agree not to lynch Groot? He's town and I love Groot, he's my favorite movie character ever. So beautiful and magical.

I am glad Pine is here, he is a smart kid, I hope he's town and I look forward to his contribution.

Is there anyone here that would NOT lynch Jester?

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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:15 am

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MonkeyMan576 wrote:Why are you voting on Ghostlin? What is he doing that makes you think he is scum more than other players?

Do you think it's a requirement that I be voting for the person I think is "scum more than other players"? Do you think BBT is the "most scummy" player right now?
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:48 am

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MonkeyMan576 wrote:I'm tired of people trying to turn everything I do that they disagree with on a theoretical level to being scummy, rather than trying to ask me about my reasoning.


This is exactly the kind of response I'm talking about when I say you're trying to passive-aggressively avoid engaging with me.

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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:56 am

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Sup DGB. Got you down for a -1 for the buddying, but we'll see how it turns out

I've decided that, contrary to my usual replacement methodology, I will be reading the whole thread today. Given the neighborhood mechanic, I don't think I'd understand the context with a cold start.

I have a few hours over the course of today, I should be done pretty quickly
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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:06 am

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Kise wrote:/confirm

ika wrote:VOTE: jingle

WHY YOU NOT IN ME NEIGHBORHOOD?

more serious note: i propose mass hood claims.

im going out saying now mines is me+sorcermad

I disagree :0
What if there's a strong town neighborhood that the maf wants to break up so they don't brainstorm?

^Scumposting right there
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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:17 am

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massive wrote:
MonkeyMan576 wrote:Why are you voting on Ghostlin? What is he doing that makes you think he is scum more than other players?

Do you think it's a requirement that I be voting for the person I think is "scum more than other players"? Do you think BBT is the "most scummy" player right now?


So you are saying your read on him hasn't changed the whole day? Have you changed your read on any other players?
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:18 am

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And yes, BBT is the scummiest player right now.
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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:29 am

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I'm through page 5 and associated Neighborhood posts. The push on Monkeyman feels like bullshit. MM did and said some dumb shit, but stupidity is a null tell. The way he got jumped on and not let to feels mostly Town-driven, I don't think there's more than one or so scum on that wagon. If I were scum, I'd have stayed away from it. First victim's never the right victim. Further, Monkeyman's haphazard manner strikes me as out of character for scum. Walpurgisnacht feels off to me in his interactions with the wagon, but it's almost purely a gut read. I'll keep an eye on Wal in the Neighborhood and in the thread, try to nail down why he makes me uneasy

TL;DR - First five pages give me a moderate Townread on Monkeyman, mild scum read Wal, everything else too weak and early to mention
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:33 am

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Top of page 6 is a great example of why I have a Town vs Town read on the Monkeyman wagon. He's being suspected for not confirming Neighborhood? What? That's a bullshit argument. It just doesn't objectively make any sense...why would scum do that? Would they think "I can still conceal this if I just ignore it!" Likewise, I don't think scum would make such a weaksauce argument against him. That puts up a mild Townread for Ghostlin
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:29 am

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Continuing to page 10...

ABR looks Town, which reinforces that Wal is the scum in our hood. I've had limited exposure to him, but this reminds me of previous Townplay. He has a great point about DGB's odd behavior, but I'll wait until she actually does scummy stuff to pass judgment. BBT isn't acting anything like the game we just finished as scumbuddies.

Finished page 10. Still not sure of DGB. Withholding judgment. Coming out in defense of Monkeyman is something I initially want to say is Withiut scum motive, but she's a splendid scum player, so that might be why she'd have done it. Unfortunately, I need a lot of data to cut through her skill buffer, and it's not there yet. Unrelenting tunneling with poor reasons from ABR and Ghostlin feels solidly Townish. Unsure about Ika and Jingle still. No one else making an impression
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:33 am

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Sorcerer Madness wrote:Sorry guys, I know I said I would post my thoughts, but with all that I missed I need to collect my thoughts. One thing though.

ABR is so scum right now. His attacks against Wal just read scum to me. His demands that everyone vote Wal is stupid and his justification for his vote is proof enough that he is just making excuses to get Wal lynched. If my vote wasn't already on him, I would be voting.

Will post my reasons why when I have had time to collect my thought.


What do you think about his vote on Jingle and BBT, when you come back? I also loathe post holder posts; but at least you gave us something. You think the demand that ABR demand everyone vote Wal is stupid (I call that pushing a scum suspect) and he's making excuses to get Wal lynched (which I sort of need to rate the excuses to see if you've got something or if you've just wasted our time with this line of inquiry.)

Come to think of it, I feel like I'm a dog digging in shit for scraps. Try again?

The vote on Jingle came out of nowhere and I felt like he did it because he knew no one else was going to vote Wal. At least with his vote on BBT, I find his reasons for it are reasonable.

I think the demand is stupid because the reason for voting him is stupid.
Here's the post that I'm basing from what I can tell his reasons from:
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Walpurgisnacht wrote:jingle town, ika town, ghostlin maybe town

gut-scum on monkeyman's entrance, namely the way he went about voting us. I think a town player would be more likely to just wagon us for self-voting, as opposed to throwing in a RVS-related reason on top of that - looks overly cautious.

vote: MonkeyMan


Walpurgisnacht wrote:I don't like ABR recently, actually. I am fairly sure that I read smth in mafia discussion where he talked a bit about the way he played scum, and his objectives as scum go beyond just "trying to look town" and "pushing mislynches" - in fact, I'm pretty sure he explicitly mentioned trying to get people to claim. I think his push on MM followed by the way he completely 180'ed and now doesn't want to lynch MM at all might be a case of this. but this is just speculation



Walpurgisnacht wrote:I don't ~really~ have a problem with dave so far, but skimming through Jingle's case some parts of it resonated. I'll need to properly check that sometime later

I'd be up for a Kise lynch.
vote: Kise


All players who have expressed suspicion of Walp. Immediate OMGUS. This slot needs rope badly.

I went back to look over Wal's (and a few others) posts (especially around the ones quoted) and saw a few things:
1. The post about MonkeyMan was WAY before MonkeyMan started being suspicious of him, like 'at the beginning of the game' before.
2. Wal engaged Kise first before any suspicion was thrown out there, and Kise never said he was suspicious of Wal
3. ABR didn't express suspicious until after Wal started questiong him about his reads.

The fact is the post that I quoted used posts that suited his case without looking at the context of the posts quoted.
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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:35 am

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The Ravagers Neighborhood has caught up to my replacement (there's almost a week of silence in it)

Neighborhood reinforces my read on Walmart. Everything I read from them comes off as manipulative. They keep pestering ABR and Kise to discuss stuff there, to push their own opinions. En they come around with a warning about how day talk Neighborhoods often implode into Town vs Town suspicion, and provide examples from other games. What? So you're trying to use the hood for discussion, and when that doesn't work, you undermine it's use? Nah. I'll probably be voting for Walrus when I finish catchup
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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:41 am

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I'll take that Wal vote and add another to it.

Unvote, vote Wal


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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:45 am

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Pine wrote:The Ravagers Neighborhood has caught up to my replacement (there's almost a week of silence in it)

Neighborhood reinforces my read on Walmart. Everything I read from them comes off as manipulative. They keep pestering ABR and Kise to discuss stuff there, to push their own opinions. En they come around with a warning about how day talk Neighborhoods often implode into Town vs Town suspicion, and provide examples from other games. What? So you're trying to use the hood for discussion, and when that doesn't work, you undermine it's use? Nah. I'll probably be voting for Walrus when I finish catchup


This is one of the biggest misreps I've ever seen. The warning about day talk neighborhoods imploding town was the first thing even discussed in the neighborhood. Then I posted one post asking them for their opinion on the Kise/Ghostlin exchange, which was answered around the same time that Kise asked for clarification on the neighborhood explosion point. The point itself had been made before any attempt to use the neighborhood happened.

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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:45 am

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Jester has really done nothing though.

Unvote, vote Jester
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:46 am

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K everyone lets just quicklynch Jester. We'll pick this back up tomorrow.
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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:59 am

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Walpurgisnacht wrote:
Pine wrote:The Ravagers Neighborhood has caught up to my replacement (there's almost a week of silence in it)

Neighborhood reinforces my read on Walmart. Everything I read from them comes off as manipulative. They keep pestering ABR and Kise to discuss stuff there, to push their own opinions. En they come around with a warning about how day talk Neighborhoods often implode into Town vs Town suspicion, and provide examples from other games. What? So you're trying to use the hood for discussion, and when that doesn't work, you undermine it's use? Nah. I'll probably be voting for Walrus when I finish catchup


This is one of the biggest misreps I've ever seen. The warning about day talk neighborhoods imploding town was the first thing even discussed in the neighborhood. Then I posted one post asking them for their opinion on the Kise/Ghostlin exchange, which was answered around the same time that Kise asked for clarification on the neighborhood explosion point. The point itself had been made before any attempt to use the neighborhood happened.

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First of all, you're right. The unreliability of Neighborhoods was mentioned early. Second, the first point is irrelevant. The fact that you're pushing them as unreliable while still trying to blithely use them for sidebar discussion indicates that you're saying one thing and then doing another. Third, after seeking to engage in these sidebars in posts 11 & 12 you mention other games where Neighborhoods were counterproductive...then go right back to trying to rally Kise and ABR against Ghostlin

My comments lacked sophistication in explanation, but they were far from misrepresentative
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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:02 am

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I'm fine with either a Jester or Wal wagon, I will hammer whichever is the final one the town decides on.
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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:12 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
Albert B. Rampage wrote:Everything he posts is antagonistic and sarcastic. It immediately makes me think he's scum. I'm ready to lynch him over that.


Being antagonistic is a super bad scum strategy. I'd sooner lynch someone that tries too hard to ingratiate him/herself.

Disagree

It's also the most fun scum strategy
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:18 am

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Pine wrote:
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Pine wrote:The Ravagers Neighborhood has caught up to my replacement (there's almost a week of silence in it)

Neighborhood reinforces my read on Walmart. Everything I read from them comes off as manipulative. They keep pestering ABR and Kise to discuss stuff there, to push their own opinions. En they come around with a warning about how day talk Neighborhoods often implode into Town vs Town suspicion, and provide examples from other games. What? So you're trying to use the hood for discussion, and when that doesn't work, you undermine it's use? Nah. I'll probably be voting for Walrus when I finish catchup


This is one of the biggest misreps I've ever seen. The warning about day talk neighborhoods imploding town was the first thing even discussed in the neighborhood. Then I posted one post asking them for their opinion on the Kise/Ghostlin exchange, which was answered around the same time that Kise asked for clarification on the neighborhood explosion point. The point itself had been made before any attempt to use the neighborhood happened.

-Ank

First of all, you're right. The unreliability of Neighborhoods was mentioned early. Second, the first point is irrelevant. The fact that you're pushing them as unreliable while still trying to blithely use them for sidebar discussion indicates that you're saying one thing and then doing another. Third, after seeking to engage in these sidebars in posts 11 & 12 you mention other games where Neighborhoods were counterproductive...then go right back to trying to rally Kise and ABR against Ghostlin

My comments lacked sophistication in explanation, but they were far from misrepresentative


One thing I would like to point out now is that the stated reason for neighborhood daytalk being bad for town is because they tend to either adversely affect the flow of the game or people state things in the neighborhood that should be in the thread instead way too often, basically splintering part of the playerlist from everyone else. Explain to me how posts 11 and 12 are meant to do this.

We mentioned other games where neighborhoods were counterproductive because Kise specifically asked us to right before that. If he hadn't, it likely would never have come up gain.

Never at any point did we try to rally Kise and ABR against Ghostlin. Pieguyn was townreading Ghostlin the entire time and I was specifically asking Kise about his read on Ghostlin from that exchange (since he never particularly stated it in the thread) and ABR's read on the exchange in general. Explain to me how this equates to rallying Kise and ABR against Ghostlin. Kise stating that he thought this at the time is not a reason, especially since he later retracted that due to being confused as to which of us was talking at which time.

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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:21 am

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Walpurgisnacht wrote:especially since he later retracted that due to being confused as to which of us was talking at which time.


Amending this statement. He retracted because he thought we were synced, not because he didn't know which of us were talking.

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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:25 am

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Walp thoughts on Jester ending up as the default lynch today please
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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:30 am

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Defensive much, Walter?
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:44 am

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Albert B. Rampage wrote:Walp thoughts on Jester ending up as the default lynch today please


I think it's a lazy compromise that will give us close to nothing for day 2 regardless of what he flips. pieguy and I haven't spoken about Jester yet and I'm pretty sure he hasn't posted about it in the thread yet, so I don't know his opinion on it.

Pine wrote:Defensive much, Walter?


Pretty much all of my gameplay thus far has been to try to engage people to find out exactly what they're thinking, especially when they attack my slot. If this means being defensive, so be it, but this helps me get better reads.

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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:07 am

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Someone needs to die and we don't have much time left.
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