Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

[kiwieagle]

Damn you some dumb ass scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

None of you find anything queer with acryon?

I will look again at a acryon tomorrow or Saturday but general vibe is likable. That doesn't necessarily indicate alignment. Do you mean queer or do you mean peculiar or do you mean something a bit more precise?

Kiwi, no. Ham.

scummy

[elusive]

I don't think you want to try this with me, Rampage. While your title may be "illogical rampage" mine could be "volatile and relentless." Also, I think I won "Most Likely To Go To Far." Like 2x. I'll be here tho, so let me know. I won't stop, or in the words of Miley Cyrus, "We can't stop."

Kiwi, it's that kind of post (specifically #425) that makes responding to you a futile exercise in worthless endeavors. This exercise was not about me convincing you I'm town, I already believe in Me, it was to gauge your soul and the scale says No Go & Ham.

[kiwieagle]

I hate this tactic which has already been employed by Ozigin, Elusive, and Banka.
this is advice for all 3 of you
Do not.
I repeat.
Do NOT say stuff like "I'm town, I already believe in Me" "I have trust in you, trust me" "I know I am town and therefore you cannot vote me"

If in the future any of you are town, that is not good play. If this game was as simple as trusting what everyone said MAFIA WOULD WIN EVERY TIME.
You need to PROVE you are town. You need to PROVE he is mafia.

Elusive as you learn how to play you will realize you cannot just say "well its in my gut" "well its a vibe" "well you dissed me you are mafia" "well I am town cause I say so"

Nevertheless, you already accepted the coasting claim was pulled out of your ass and that the bankai bull shit never had any foundation and therefore you are scum because town would not try to invent reasons as to why vote someone.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think you want to try this with me, Rampage. While your title may be "illogical rampage" mine could be "volatile and relentless." Also, I think I won "Most Likely To Go To Far." Like 2x. I'll be here tho, so let me know. I won't stop, or in the words of Miley Cyrus, "We can't stop."

Kiwi, it's that kind of post (specifically #425) that makes responding to you a futile exercise in worthless endeavors. This exercise was not about me convincing you I'm town, I already believe in Me, it was to gauge your soul and the scale says No Go & Ham.

I'm answering your question, not calling your post scummy.

[elusive]

Damn you some dumb ass scum.

The above post and some of your responses to Bankai or your "retardfight" comment..all of it comes up to I don't particularly care what you think or say or dream of. The level of erudite philosophical musings on the banality of life and such and so forth are just sorely lacking and I really don't engage with those who don't reach a certain bar. Unless they're willing to be good little pets and bark on command.

Like if it was Mafijjy making the above post then you know like I might like actually be impressed because I saw a recent thing of his but when he does it, it's hot. Here it's just Ham + Ham.

Actually, you are coasting. Here's a run down of your reads.

Ozgin was brought up as suspicious by Rampage. Respond to my critique of his random BS color nonsense regarding the ShadowMelt ability.

Bankai was set fire on by Rampage who then backed off when Bankai spilled his guts. Do you think Bankai was faking that emotional response? If so who or what was the setup?

As for me, I think you thought I would be an easy target because of all the flufflove but I also really really like long sharp nails and drawing tiny little rivulets of blood.

Nero was also brought up by Rampage.

So are you sheeping Rampage or do you have any thoughts on someone he hasn't sprinkled with sugar\possibly arsenic.

Rampage, I'll accept that clarification for now. Although, for a moment there I thought we would have some fun. Maybe some other Day or game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Rampage, I'll accept that clarification for now. Although, for a moment there I thought we would have some fun. Maybe some other Day or game.

[GGG]

Damn you some dumb ass scum.

The above post and some of your responses to Bankai or your "retardfight" comment..all of it comes up to I don't particularly care what you think or say or dream of. The level of erudite philosophical musings on the banality of life and such and so forth are just sorely lacking and I really don't engage with those who don't reach a certain bar. Unless they're willing to be good little pets and bark on command.

Like if it was Mafijjy making the above post then you know like I might like actually be impressed because I saw a recent thing of his but when he does it, it's hot. Here it's just Ham + Ham.

Actually, you are coasting. Here's a run down of your reads.

Ozgin was brought up as suspicious by Rampage. Respond to my critique of his random BS color nonsense regarding the ShadowMelt ability.

Bankai was set fire on by Rampage who then backed off when Bankai spilled his guts. Do you think Bankai was faking that emotional response? If so who or what was the setup?

As for me, I think you thought I would be an easy target because of all the flufflove but I also really really like long sharp nails and drawing tiny little rivulets of blood.

Nero was also brought up by Rampage.

So are you sheeping Rampage or do you have any thoughts on someone he hasn't sprinkled with sugar\possibly arsenic.

Rampage, I'll accept that clarification for now. Although, for a moment there I thought we would have some fun. Maybe some other Day or game.

And here is the superreach invented case.

Essentially you can make the argument that anyone who didn't have the first thought on a person is coasting and can apply it to everyone. Elusive picked it here to back up her bad read on kiw.

[GGG]

His buddy.

Oh yeah, my buddy, the one who just got really critical of me. I think it's apparent that everyone is very wary of me. I understand, my artificial and patronizing tone (coined by elusive) is probably intimidating.

But when I flip townie, you'll be under the spotlight. And so will your scummy friends. Besides, I'd be willing to bet that if I survive, and you die, and I was right, the trust level between myself and my fellow townies will grow tremendously. If I die and people see I'm town, you'll still be a target of focus, and when I'm right my analyses on players will be taken a little more seriously.

Anyways, I still think ABR is scum, and he changes his vote every other page. I'm at least confident and consistent in my thoughts.

This is also scum. The argument that town should be consistent is false. Townies don't know who the scum and town are so their thoughts will evolve and change and not always fluidly. So pointing to confidence and consistency as a town trait is pretty scummy especially while at the same time scum reading someone for doing the opisite of your behaviour.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The paranoia and weird reaction to my post was stunning, too.

Unvote, vote elusive

No choice but to lynch this with fire.

[Xombie]

So, I havent read up.
Xpost: My 15 year old dog just had some convulsions, and will likely need to be put down. Please understand if my activity is low for a while.

So sorry to hear. Love my dogs more than I love anything so. Hope you're okay.

[Xombie]

I would be posting my defense of the random questions by now but the whole,

leash so and so and make them my pet

schpeel is so offputting, I don't really care if she gets lynched.

[elusive]

Kiwi, you called out bankai for failing at a faux scum emotional outburst but you then proceeded into one yourself because I didn't answer your questions within a 2-3 hour period. By that logic I should be in fits right now since most of the playerbase hasn't answered my questions but I'm still in "this is either a comedy or a tragedy." Oh and your emotional burst also seems fake or at the very least ironic considering you called bankai a padawan and yourself by implication a master at that kind of scum play. So he votes Bankai as scummy for a emotional outburst and then has one of his own with only one vote pressure on him? At least Bankai was being rifled with by a couple of people. Not buying it.

GGG, I need to look back at when you started finding me interesting, was it before or after I voted Kiwi?

80% sure on Kiwi scum. Trying to figure out if GGG picked up on me due to the Bankai interaction or to the Kiwi interaction. GGG, actually I do think that throwing out the most popular names or names under discussion by others is either sheeping which I expect from newbies or the underconfident or from scum who don't want to be seen as having any of their own strong reads. There are far more players in the game for someone to zoom in on the same ones that Rampage picked out of a hat. Also, he didn't at all address Ramapage's bad logic on the votal colors which implies not reading or caring. So therefore, can you find why he finds those people scummy?

Xombie, I don't play this game to be liked, it's why Ozgin using "nice" offended me so much. Scum are the only ones who may want to rely on nice. So you're advocating a lynch based on not liking a player over scumminess? It's unclear.

Also, I expect everyone town and scum to post "I'm town" at some point. It's the actions, behaviors, and mindsets that run concurrently with such claims that are important to me when assessing those claims.

Rampage, are you done turning the wheel and throwing darts? Also, you're going to have to do better than that since it's a little to one note. You can't fight fire with fire. I would like to know if you plan to address your "the votes are colored so he must be scum" nonsense since that would not even be a newbie statement.

[Xombie]

Xombie, I don't play this game to be liked, it's why Ozgin using "nice" offended me so much. Scum are the only ones who may want to rely on nice. So you're advocating a lynch based on not liking a player over scumminess? It's unclear.

There's a big difference between not being nice and intentionally playing to be unnecessarily demeaning, offensive and rude. And that's putting it

nicely

.
It's not unclear.
I was going to defend you but since I don't really care whether you're lynched or not based on your attitude, I'm not going to bother.

[Xombie]

None of you find anything queer with acryon?

Nope.

[Xombie]

Where you at with everyone else, ABR?

[House]

VOTE: elusive

Because obvious.

[kiwieagle]

Cant really post something good and long right now but
Elusive I still can't understand your posts on me.
Where the fuck have I had an emotional outburst similar to bankais?
Please quote.
How the fuck have I sheeped ABR the whole game?
The only time I agreed with him was with bankai and even when he backed down I continued.
How the fuck have I been coasting?
Check my ISO and please quote.

Also anyone else curios why she's gone from short posts to god damn essays after people started voting for her?
And she calls me defensive ...

[elusive]

It's fine if you don't care for my sense of humor or particular playstyle or choose to policy lynch me for it. I haven't purposefully demeaned or insulted anyone quite yet. Some it was jokey and some it was reaction testing.

What actually disturbs me is the refusal to answer actual relevant questions such as:
1. Rampage makes a comment about vote colors being a reason to vote Ozgin after inciting or pushing bankai into revealing that whole mechanic and doesn't feel like explaining why. Very strange.

And,
2. Answers such as obvious don't sit well with me. You may as well vote me out if you expect me not to call a spade a spade or to be abrasive at times.
3. I would state that its an anti-town mindset but its not a newbie game so it should be obvious.

Xombie, I don't always like players and I admire people who are blunt about things like that but I'm in this game to lynch scum not people who I don't care for. Good luck with your strategy. Oh and I don't ask people to defend me since at this stage in the game or most stages people should be able to defend themselves. In fact, I find too much defense of players to seem like buddying especially when there isn't a mason or other knows the role of the oracle type of role in play to be scummy.

The only caveat to that is knowing a players meta really well but even that has loose holes.

[kiwieagle]

See look at these essays..talk about complete 180 on how she was playing before.

[kiwieagle]

Before they were shorter and mostly composed of questions but now 0 questions. Her other long post was of t1 t2 and t3 which doesn't really apply.

[acryon]

This is also scum. The argument that town should be consistent is false. Townies don't know who the scum and town are so their thoughts will evolve and change and not always fluidly. So pointing to confidence and consistency as a town trait is pretty scummy especially while at the same time scum reading someone for doing the opisite of your behaviour.

I agree here about this statement from Ozgin.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the scumminess from elusive. She's clearly rubbing a lot of people the wrong way, and I get how that feels, but it doesn't make her scummy. I think people are bringing a little too much emotion into it.

@ABR: Just so I know what to expect: Do you generally like to provide actually cases and analysis, or just all hard-pushing? (there's value in both, but it would help if I knew you weren't planning on doing the former)

[Ozgin]

Actually, my gut and my tea leaves says Faux Drama Hour regardless of what any possible defenders might state.

You kind of just did what I expected you to do.

P.S. Kiwi, you refuse to answer questions on the main drama in thread 1. Rampage Vs. The World (Nero, Ozgin, House, etc) 2. Ozgin engages in some Theater That Is Not Well Received By the Masses and Something Creepy About a Kimono 3. GGG is Discovered to Have Contradicting Opinions or a Fetish for Black and White Television.

And finally, you can't scum hunt me. I kind of have this thing as town, a kind of Joan of Arc vision and no one can deny Hallucinatory Voices that Compel You to Decipher Battle Formations.

So I'm not really registering this odd "poke" tactic of yours, elusive. You seem to be instigating kiwieagle and I'm not sure why. If you're just trying to stir some reaction from a player to get a read on them, what about the other players who we've heard very little from? I mean, kiwieagle has responded a lot, but we have almost entirely silent parties floating around like eyestott.

The only thing I got was that you think I am causing drama (?) and OMGUS (Not really because I have legitimate reasons to vote you and you clearly dont).

Well, in elusive's defense, you are responding pretty grandiosely to a "random vote". If you really think the vote is not backed up by any degree of thought or structure,

why are you worrying about it?

What about this one random vote is

bugging you so damn much?

If anything, I would expect someone in your position _{(who is innocent)} to say something more or less like, "Hey everyone, this person is voting for me randomly! Doesn't anyone else see the questionable nature of this player?" And let everyone else pry at elusive for an explanation, if anything just for

us

to find out more about her character as a person.

Also you still aren't answering my questions and still can't explain why you vote me.

So I quoted this because I think this is the root of your issues. I went back and was looking for any reason why you two are at each others' throats

_{(actually hoping to find that ABR or some third party caused it..)}

, and I've found that there is literally no reason why other than this.

I'm not ready to jump on elusive's case, but at the same time I really have to wonder...

Elusive, why

did

you vote for kiwieagle? I can't find any substantial motive for it. That's what I really don't understand about your whole crusade of vicious poking of the bear. It's almost as if, and call me crazy if you feel the need, you're a scum who knows kiwi isn't a scum, has some idea of how he plays and is afraid that it'll be a detriment to your goal. But hey, that's just a

totally

wild thought, and I'm probably

waayyyy

wrong.


-P.S.-

2. Ozgin, huh. Oh right. Had to read some of his posts. Ok hes the "trust me" guy. No bueno. Don't like that statement and feels like a beginner failing at hiding as scum. Did the same as Bankai. Not smart coming from someone who did some pretty cool looking statistics (not that I understand them...)

You need to PROVE you are town. You need to PROVE he is mafia.

But that's the thing, unless I gave you my account, a picture of my inbox, or forwarded my townie pm to you, you would never ever know for certain that I am a townie. In an entirely inferential game such as Mafia, you really can rely on nothing but your gut and your "vibes." Whether or not my overly trusting tactic sits well with you,

I couldn't care less.

What I

do

give a shit about is

personal validation.

When ABR flips town _{(or elusive at this rate)}, hopefully the trust will become apparent and recognized as a worthy investment. If I get NK'd for all of this effort, the trust will become apparent and recognized as a worthy investment. And if I survive and continue to be correct,

the trust will become apparent and recognized as a worthy investment.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ozgin what's it going to take to have you vote elusive?

[elusive]

Ozgin, its a couple of things about him. I'm phone posting and will do a ISO case to tonight or whenever I can. Here's a quick summary to the best of my memory:
1. Bankai falls apart and kiwi eggs him on and gloats that Kiwi as scum could pull off an emotional gambit but bankai can't.
2. Kiwi claims he will decimate scum.
3. I put a vote on kiwi because of the gloat and something about the tone of that post felt smug, bankai had already erupted and kiwi chose him as a scum target after the fact. Also when someone boasts like that but doesn't pull through it pings me hard since what scum is is to talk without actual actions.
4. Kiwis reactions to my one single vote were ridiculously bad. Like I don't feel much pressure right now and I might be lynched toDay. Emotions are all steady, I've been tunneled pretty hard as town by town and scum so were still in the minor leagues.
5. Kiwi specifically mentions that he wasn't going to get emotional and gets really really emotional. For no reason which is why I called drama or theatrics. He just told a guy he's good at fake out frame then he does some totally crazy response to soft poke.
6. I refuse to answer his questions BC they are make a case on him and a parrot of my own questions. The answers he gave as I stated don't give any reads on his scum. I'm used to people making cases, if this is not the case in this game ya'll better lynch me quick because a person without cases...what is this Town of Salem?
7. Kiwi continues to get heated without reason. I may have poked hard but only after being called dumb ass scum which was part of the ongoing OMGUS. Oh and retard fight I didn't find that to be complimentary to me or bankai? Unclear who the second was.
8. His reaction to my deciding not to make a case, mostly because I was having technical issues makes him go off even more. Like patience.
9. His entire case on me is not answering questions and then going from small tiny posts to large ones. How does that make sense? What scum mindset can you figure out from those?

So therefore scummy acting scummy and petulant.

Oh and GGG, same thing for you. You find questions scummy, explain why. Then the post of yours that Ozgin quotes actually means that you can build a case on kiwi who believes that post lengths must conform or its scummy. Or at least take down his logic because thats what town does find areas where logic doesn't follow or where actions and words don't match up.

Rampage, what are you offering in return? The ability to spin straw into gold?